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adrift
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ICool.
I see. Sounds like a very interesting tour. Oh, and itâs Salzburg, **not **Salsburg.
I knew that just typing in too much of a hurry.
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I knew that just typing in too much of a hurry.
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pismopal
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âBaptistsâ here are divided into Southern Baptists and other sub divisions and some gathering are only semi officially attached to any of the above. My priest was the one who told me that a large percentage of converts come from the BaptistsâŚit was a large percentage and but forget the exact number. There are more than a few posters here who have that backgroundâŚI have noticed.Dear brother pismopal,
I think that you should know that I am
still Catholic (meaning never declined so far). [Catholic by birth.]
And donât forget that Baptists here in Austria are a VERY small minority. And that you canât compare European Baptitists with the US ones. (Ask Contarini, he can much better than I explain you the differences. - Great poster by the way. Itâs always nice conversing with him.
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adrift
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He hasnât answer me.
I do hope he answers you.
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Thomas31
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He hasnât answered you because he cant. Unlike the Protestant Churches, the Catholic Church doesnt differ in its teaching! Thats the Beauty of Truth 
I spent 30 years in the Protestant Church, from Baptist, to Methodist to Presbyterian, looking for truth, and whole truth. And it took that long of a time to finally come home to the real Church, the Catholic Church. I canât tell you how happy I am, its a happiness that I have never had before. Within the protestant churches, I dont care which one you go to, they all teach and believe differently from one another, and so you never know who is right. So sad!
I spent 30 years in the Protestant Church, from Baptist, to Methodist to Presbyterian, looking for truth, and whole truth. And it took that long of a time to finally come home to the real Church, the Catholic Church. I canât tell you how happy I am, its a happiness that I have never had before. Within the protestant churches, I dont care which one you go to, they all teach and believe differently from one another, and so you never know who is right. So sad!
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Esdra
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No wonder, if you start church-hopping within the Protestant Churches. Why didnât you stay in one denomination?He hasnât answered you because he cant. Unlike the Protestant Churches, the Catholic Church doesnt differ in its teaching! Thats the Beauty of Truth
Thatâs like saying, âOh the âHigh Churchesâ are so differentâ, but you go to an (High) Episcopal/Anglican Church, to the PNCC, an Eastern Catholic Church, or to the Roman Catholic Church and finally to a Russian Orthodox Church.
Like in the churches mentioned above, so it is with the Churches you mentioned, they all have a different emphasis on something, nevertheless all of them belong to the One Holy Catholic and Orthodox Church which is the Church of all believersâŚ
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Thomas31
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I went from protestant church to protestant church seeking truth and you know what⌠i never found it there. Yes, there were bits and pieces of truth, but not the complete truth. I only found that in the Catholic church. Listen, there are so many protestant churches out there that deny the virgin birth, accept the Homosexual lifestyle, accept homosexuals into the clergy, have no problem with abortion, no problem with adultery, deny the real eternal existence of Hell and so on! Not all protestants are this liberal, but the Catholic church is against all of these false teachings that are going on in most protestant churches today. So, no, they dont all belong to the one holy and catholic and orthodox church as you say⌠they cant! they dont hold to the same teachings as the Catholic church does, who was Created by Christ himself. If there are some other catholics out there who can comment on this, I would appreciate it!
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Esdra
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The funny thing is, with me it was the other way round.
I started studying the Bible when I was 16 years old.
And I couldnât find the truth of the Bible in the CC (I am Roman Catholic by birth), but in the Baptist Church I am attending.
The Baptist Church does NOT deny the virgin birth of Mary ('though DOES she deny that she was a Vergin her entire life.)
The Baptist Church does NOT accept homosexual lifestyle. NEITHER does she accept homosexual clergy. The Baptist Church DOES have a problem with abortion because itâs murder.
The Baptist Church DOES believe in hell. And itâs a horrible place, like Jesus himself describes it.
I canât help that there are the Liberals out there. - And believe me, they also exist in the Catholic Church herself. - Especially in Europe.
So, despite being a non-Catholic, I do consider myself to be part of the One, Holy, catholic, orthodox Church.
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Esdra
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ad 1) despite that they donât believe in a priesthood as the Catholics do (priesthood for all!)
ad 2) And we all have to stand up against such tendencies among the liberal Churches and believer (as well in the Catholic as in the Liberal Protestant Churches). And mustnât be silent!
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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Here the the thing about that if Mary had had other children it would have been unheard of for them not to have cared for her after the Death of her elder Son. But we have Christ giving her to the Care Of the Apostel John.Aslo If we look at Marys reaction at the Annuciation Since she was to be married to Joseph it would not have come as a surprise to her that she would concieve a child yet she reacted as if the thought that her and Joseph would be intimate was not even on the table.
As has been said those that have speratered from Mother church did take some truths with them. See above on some that were rejected.
see above staement
Yes they are every were and you are correct that as a christian you are part of the chruch also by your Baptism in the Catholic church you are and for ever will be Catholic. You can go else were to worship but that does not change that.
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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This is both true and false. yes we are are called to the priest hood of beleivers. Chirst commissioned us all to be Preist, Prophet, and King. However this is not the same as the ministerial preisthood. It is very clear is scripture that Christ gave authorty and responsibility to the apostels that he did not give to all the other disciples. and they inturned gave authority to other that they did not give to all.
Very true.
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Thomas31
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Hey Esdra⌠yea, i hear that alot, that people who left the RCC to go to a Protestant church feel like they are getting more Bible there. I can honestly say, i miss sunday school alot! that was a great hour long of bible study and devotion. I was part of the American Baptist Church. And atleast the fellowship I was a part of, was not as conservative in its beliefs as the RCC is. Maybe your particular fellowship where you are is, and if so, great! Im glad you are growing in your Faith, regardless of what denomination you are in, as long as you are learning the Truth of the Gospels. You are a Brother in the Lord, and I am glad you are part of His family! In a earlier post of mine, It may have come across like I was saying you werent, and thats not what I meant to say, sorry! It is funny, that some seem to grow in their Faith alot more in the Protestant Church and then others Grow more in the Catholic Faith. I always wonder why that is. But hang in there brother, God Loves Us more than we can ever imagine! Keep trusting Christ and have a great Week!!
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rinnie
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Kinda off the subject but this reminds me of an episode of All in the family. I still watch it and I laugh harder ever time.âBaptistsâ here are divided into Southern Baptists and other sub divisions and some gathering are only semi officially attached to any of the above. My priest was the one who told me that a large percentage of converts come from the BaptistsâŚit was a large percentage and but forget the exact number. There are more than a few posters here who have that backgroundâŚI have noticed.
But this time Archie was having a problem and when to the Priest. The Priest said why donât you go to your preacher since thats where you wife goes if you are having a problem.
Archie say the Rev. Feltcher and the Priest said Fletcher, then Archie said the famous Whatever! But then he said are you kidding, he converted more People to the Catholic Church then your Pope
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Please clarify your post. The way I am reading it you are saying that Catholic Church denies the Virgin birth of Mary. I am assuming here you mean Jesusâ birth and not Maryâs
That the Catholic Church accepts homosexual lifestyle etc.
That the Catholic Church does not believe in hell.
Is this what you meant?
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Erich
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Almost. Christ founded a *visible *church, not an invisible âChurch of all believers.â After all, how can you turn to the Church as an authoritative decider of disputes (Matthew 18:17) if you canât even locate the Church in the first place?
The Church is One because of her source (the unity, in the Trinity of Persons, of one God, the Father and the Son in the Holy Spirit), her founder (the Word made Flesh), and her soul (the Holy Spirit). But, as CCC 817 tells us,
In fact, âin this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Churchâfor which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame.â
As a result, some of the âHigh Churchesâ you mention are more âOne Holy Catholic and Apostolicâ (not âOne Holy Catholic and Orthodoxâ) than others. As CCC 838 puts it,
âThe Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter.â Those âwho believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church.â With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lordâs Eucharist."So, the ones who are most âOne Holy Catholic and Apostolicâ are the Roman Catholic and Eastern Catholic Churches, with the Orthodox certainly âwithin armâs reach.â A bit further behind is the PNCC. Furthest behind (from your list anyway) are the Anglicans.
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Esdra
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No, of course not!Please clarify your post. The way I am reading it you are saying that Catholic Church denies the Virgin birth of Mary. I am assuming here you mean Jesusâ birth and not Maryâs
That the Catholic Church accepts homosexual lifestyle etc.
That the Catholic Church does not believe in hell.
Is this what you meant?
Please read what Thomas31 has written:
And I answered that the Baptist Church I am attending does not hold these believes, as they are completely unscriptural and that I am not at all attending a Liberal Church but a bible-based Church and I am glad that Iâve found that Church.
And I reacted against the term âProtestants believeâŚâ, as thatâs not at all a valid argument, as some Protestants became that liberal, that I doubt if one can even label them Christian anymore.
See my point?
Hope I could clarify,
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Esdra
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Thank you for this interesting post.
So Orthodox Churches are nearly in full communion with Rome, theyâre âonlyâ lacking the successor of Peter.
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Esdra
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Have I, in your opinion, forgotten the one or other âHigh Churchâ in my list?
Oh, as I can see know, I forgot to mention the Oriental Orthodox Churches!
Would you count the LCMS as a High Church?
Any other?
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You did thank you. I agree with what you wrote.
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