Questions on Becoming a Permanent Deacon

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While I was not aware of the distinction made by the Pope, neither it seems are the many dioceses who post on their website that the Ordinary ministers of the Eucharist are the Bishops, priests and deacons
I have noticed that the USCCB documents use the correct term. As for other diocese, I’m sure they will all eventually use the correct term.
And what does that have to do with the term Layperson, and in any case, what does all this have to do with the OP’s original question?
Well, if anything, it will let the OP know that if he begins training for the Diaconate, one of the first things he will learn in his Theology classes is that Theology is VERY particular on the use of correct terms 😃
BTW Canon Law seems to find the terms interchangeable along with Blessed Sacrament:
Can. 910 §1 The ordinary minister of holy communion is a Bishop, a priest or a deacon.
Can. 911 §1 The duty and right to bring the blessed Eucharist to the sick as Viaticum belongs to the parish priest, to assistant priests, to chaplains and, in respect of all who are in the house, to the community Superior in clerical religious institutes or societies of apostolic life.
Can. 929 In celebrating and administering the Eucharist, priests and deacons are to wear the sacred vestments prescribed by the rubrics.
Can. 943 The minister of exposition of the blessed Sacrament and of the eucharistic blessing is a priest or deacon.
I see no interchangablity, each term is used correctly in it’s context. For example, the Benediction does involve a Eucharistic blessing, not a Holy Communicant blessing, and a bishop, priest or deacon is an Ordinary Minister of Holy Communion, but Canon Law makes no claim that a Deacon is a Minister of the Eucharist.
 
I see no interchangablity, each term is used correctly in it’s context.
Can. 929** In celebrating and administering the Eucharist, priests and deacons** are to wear the sacred vestments prescribed by the rubrics.
Hmm:rolleyes:

And the OP is not learning much else about the diaconate here though is he.

Sometimes posting on CAF is like being pecked to death by ducks.

If I was asking questions I would want to know the big picture not the minutiae of the words used.
 
Hmm:rolleyes:

And the OP is not learning much else about the diaconate here though is he.

Sometimes posting on CAF is like being pecked to death by ducks.

If I was asking questions I would want to know the big picture not the minutiae of the words used.
What a wonderfully apt image (the ducks)! That’s what we need around here: a “duck-pecking” smiley!
 
Not a smiley, but…

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And definitely not deacons.
 
OK - here’s what studying for the diaconate is like…

Tonight after work, and picking up kids, and doing the supper thing, and before they go to bed I’m reading Catholic Moral Tradition by David Bohr. I have 7 chapters to do, and 3 short papers before the weekend.

At the weekend I drive (or ride my motorbike) 2 1/2 hours to Edmonton, and have classes Saturday and Sunday. On Saturday night we have a formation seminar. On Sunday afternoon I’ll try and speak to my mentor at Newman college (where I’m trying to finish one paper for my MTS).

On Wednesday evening my wife and I have an interview with the diocesan formation director and the deacon who is charge of the program to see how we are getting on after the first year.

However, I therefore have to miss the first RCIA night of the year.

In the meantime I teach in a highschool, and have a wife, 3 kids (one with down syndrome), a dog and 2 cats.

Because of the whole diaconate thing I’ve been on a journey, have got out of my old business and have downsized my life. I got back into teaching too. I still have to sell the Jag - I think I still have emotional ties to it and am balking and so I should talk to my spiritual director about it.

I signed up to CAF to improve my faith knowledge because I learn more when I argue than by just reading… but sometimes it’s not good for me. Perhaps I should quit.

That kind of encapsulates where I am tonight.
 
Hi, I’m just curious: Could the 4 years studying be waived if you have an M.Div from a Catholic seminary?
 
Hi, I’m just curious: Could the 4 years studying be waived if you have an M.Div from a Catholic seminary?
I lost that battle.😛

I have 120 credits towards my masters (more than I need for an MTS, but I’m over-weighted in some areas), and it will be finished ASAP. I also have years as a prison chaplain for the diocese with 3 prisons in my ambit. However nothing will be waived.

I have had responses in the area of “we are looking for humble and stable men” - apparently asking whether part of the program can be waived militates against that;)

Also, since you will be preaching (X gospel) for the rest of your life it’s good to review.

The real reason, I believe is because they want you to develop relationships with other deacons, and they want to observe you during the formation process.

So you suck it up. And it’s OK. Good stuff happens.

I would like to do more relational stuff, and also more work on what it means to be configured to the person of Christ the Servant.
 
Hi, I’m just curious: Could the 4 years studying be waived if you have an M.Div from a Catholic seminary?
It depends on the bishop. In our diocese I know several men who were fast tracked through diaconate and priestly formation because they had advanced degrees in theology. I would think an M.Div. would allow a man to move toward ordination rather quickly. A man in my husband’s ordination class only came to formation classes for a year. The same with another deacon I worked with. One had a doctorate in Theology and in fact at one point was actually one of the instructors in the diaconate program before he decided to become a deacon.
 
Hi, I’m just curious: Could the 4 years studying be waived if you have an M.Div from a Catholic seminary?
Most bishops will not allow this “skipping” of the formation. Keep this in mind, the 4-5 years of formation contains intellectual education but it is a formation process more than an education process. You will be formed into a deacon, this takes time and cannot be put on the fast track, or at least shouldn’t. The diocesan bishop can make an exception as is his prerogative.

Also, priestly formation is not diaconal formation. It is formation to a different ministry and role in the Church. But again, this is up to the bishop and is taken on an individual basis here in my home diocese as I am sure it is the same in most. We do not have any deacons currently ordained who were fast tracked.
 
Hmm:rolleyes:

And the OP is not learning much else about the diaconate here though is he.

Sometimes posting on CAF is like being pecked to death by ducks.

If I was asking questions I would want to know the big picture not the minutiae of the words used.
I have to agree with you; sometimes it feels like we care more about correcting miss use of words than addressing the topic. The result again is another derailed thread.

I wonder with the many deacons, priests, and bishops who use these terms interchangeably; do those who correct people here for daring to use them at improper times also correct their clergy members when they use these terms “wrongly”?

Don’t get me wrong, I understand the correct use of the two terms, but is it really necessary to re-route the thread to make the point…again? I believe this wins the Rush Limbaugh “beat a dead horse award”.

PS. Triumphguy, where are you in the formation process and when are you scheduled to be ordained?
 
PS. Triumphguy, where are you in the formation process and when are you scheduled to be ordained?
I’m in the second year now.

And we are told not to count on being scheduled for anything:p

But… that being said 2016 is possible.
 
I am a relatively recent convert- in my 5th year. I love the Latin Mass, go to Eucharistic Adoration, and have a strong feeling about the meaning and significance of the liturgy. As a married man I am obviously not able to become a priest, but I’ve been considering the diaconate and would like to know from permanent deacons on here how they feel about it- the daily experience, your relationship to your priest and bishop, and the role of the deacon’s wife. From a practical standpoint, I’m wondering how a man becomes a deacon if he is not financially in a position to retire from the business world. I believe there is no salary for a deacon.
You bring up many points for comment; I’ll give it a try in an attempt to help paint a picture.

First off, recent converts are not typically accepted into formation because of the dangers of over zealous energy which could cause issues. However, as with my home diocese, many use a basic time frame of five years after being brought into the Church as a sufficient waiting period so in your case here in my diocese that would not disqualify you.

Having strong feelings and full knowledge of the Liturgy is very important. The deacon’s role in the life of the Church is not centered on Liturgy; however, when the deacon is involved in the Liturgy it is of utmost importance he do it well and not be a distraction to the faithful. This is where many formation programs are lacking. We deemphasize Liturgy so much that the deacon candidates are not taught Liturgy completely as to allow them to competently serve in the Liturgy. This is changing thankfully.

As far as you statement, “As I am a married man I am obviously not able to become a priest”; this would be the most critical part of your discernment and that of the diaconal committee who will accept you or reject you as an aspirant. Being a deacon is not similar to being a priest, it is a true and distinct calling. We are not “priests light”. It is not a consolation prize and the permanent diaconate is not a stepping stone to anything but the diaconate, service. I’m sure this is not what you meant by your statement, but if I were your mentor/spiritual director this would be a cause for concern and much attention before saying yes I agree to enter formation.

This is not a bad thing, it is an opportunity to learn fully what the diaconate is and especially an opportunity to fully discern if your calling is true both for you and the Church. This calling to the clerical state is a calling from God to you and also a calling discerned by the Church for you, both must be satisfied if the calling is true.

I am a married 47 year old deacon ordained almost three years ago. I have three kids, son 21, daughter 19, and a son who is 18. All are in college, the oldest in his 3rd year of Seminary College. God willing, I will have to call him Father in about 6 years. My daughter just got married and is quite independent. I am a full time employee of a large utility company in management which gives me a flexible schedule and I have a very understanding Baptist boss who allows me freedom, praise God.

My wife is the youth minister in my parish where I am assigned and we work youth ministry together. I am the youth ministry deacon for the diocese I guess you can say as most of my ministry time is spent with teens. In my spare time I visit parishioners in hospitals and homes occasionally. The role of your wife will be to keep you grounded and to assure a balance in your life. These are the most critical points in your life as a deacon. Remember you were a husband and father much earlier than a deacon; it takes work to keep these priorities in line. If they are lost, your marriage and family will pay the price and a divorced deacon will not be an active deacon in public ministry.

There is no need to be retired to operate as a deacon. You just need to be good at organizing time and allow ministries to develop through the Holy Spirit, I do not and have not built ministry except through the Holy Spirit. My wife and I are always discerning opportunities and needs. She has (name removed by moderator)ut on everything I do as a deacon; if she says no Gary this is not good, I do not do it. My spiritual director always repeated this little anecdote, “Always remember obedience to the abyss.” He is a former Benedictine Monk and refers to our wives as our “abysses”; so in all things one must be obedient to the abyss!

Hope this helps. Please feel free to PM me if you have questions you’d rather keep private.
 
I’m in the second year now.

And we are told not to count on being scheduled for anything:p

But… that being said 2016 is possible.
Ok, cool! I knew you were in formation but I could not remember if you were in candidacy yet. May the Holy Spirit be with you and your classmates!
 
Glad you stopped by, Lapey. Figured since we had basically talked about the same thing via PM last week that you could add to the discussion. 👍
 
Glad you stopped by, Lapey. Figured since we had basically talked about the same thing via PM last week that you could add to the discussion. 👍
😃 I forgot about that conversation, I could have cut and pasted my response!😃
 
Ok, cool! I knew you were in formation but I could not remember if you were in candidacy yet. May the Holy Spirit be with you and your classmates!
Thanks
😃 exactly! The great abyss or my wife, the great abbess?
:D:thumbsup:
My wife is still trying to figure out her role - basically she just wants to support me, but she is enjoying the classes and getting to know the other couples.

We also say the office together morning and night.

the whole experience has been good for our marriage in many ways.

It has been tough finding baby sitters since we have a 15 year old with Downs.
 
Jerome, I find your original post quite moving, as you and I are pretty much in the same spot. I have spoken to my pastor about being nominated for the aspirancy class starting next September in our archdiocese. He is about to retire, and he told me quite candidly he was not that familiar with the restoration of the ancient order of deacons. I have my wife and children (almost 10 and 13) fully supporting me and I converted five years ago (officially–although I have been attending for 7) along your lines. Much of what lapey and triumphguy have written rings true from my studies. My parish (the oldest in our county and the “mother” of almost all other parishes in the county) has never had a permanent deacon or even sent one to seminary in all these years. Yet, the archdiocese has over 120 at this time in the three counties comprising the archdiocese.

Education on the diaconate is sorely needed–about what their role is and how it is grounded in sacred scripture and the tradition of the Church. It is a ministry uniquely in sync with the “new evangelization” we are pushing now–not only priests, bishops and religious have to do things, but all baptized Christians have work to do. Now, even though deacons are clergy like priests and bishops, they are unique in that they are “out in the world” in secular jobs and families and are positioned to preach the gospel–using words when necessary–outside Church walls. Whether dressed in clerical garb to minister to those in hospital or prison, to the aged in nursing homes or in “secular work” clothes at other times, they are a unique part of the clergy who can have a very broad impact for Christ and His Church. I pray I am cut out for it, and I pray you are too.

Peace
 
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