Yes, I agree on both things you said.
I’m willing to say that I am in favour of ecumenism. I believe that every person everywhere should be instructed in and invited to the Catholic faith.
That is exactly my point, Nick. Thanks!
Well, you didn’t expect Trent to have a 100% success rate, did you?
Even Christ admitted, “I pray not for the world…”Are you of the mind that we must use “Catholic prayers” that are specifically offensive to protestants i.e. the Rosary? Why do we have to invite them to kneel? We don’t even kneel for all of our “Catholic prayers”. This seems to be more of a “stick it to the protestants” type of mentality. What would be anti-Catholic in inviting protestants to pray the Our Father in a Catholic church while standing to end abortion? I’ve never understood why people are so afraid to come together with protestants on what we have in common. I’m not quite certain how this is a denial of the Faith. I believe, and have seen, it lead to a place where Catholics can teach the protestants about the Faith, Sacraments, etc.And I am willing to compromise when it comes to those ecumenical prayer services in other churches that we are invited to. Let them be held in the Catholic Church, with Catholic prayers, in front of the Blessed Sacrament. And all should be invited to kneel.
You musta missed the smilie. It was said TONGUE IN CHEEK!
It rather depends on the nature of the meeting, I suppose. And it isn’t simply the hierarchy: it’s every single Catholic (which may well mean that the population of Heaven is even smaller than the most conservative of us thinks!) that fails and, I think, has failed at this. My family’s farm was two miles from the Catholic Church, we lived in what had been called “Irish Ridge,” if that tells you how Catholic it was. Yet never did a Catholic knock on the door, priest or lay, and try to evangelize my folk. Others did, JW’s, other Protestants, our fellow Baptists (just to make sure, I suppose). We went to fish fries and Catholic weddings and funerals, etc., yet never a mention of the necessity of the faith (and this was BEFORE the teachings of VII had been deseminated).
No, no, that’s not quite what I mean.I’m willing to say that I am in favour of ecumenism. I believe that every person everywhere should be instructed in and invited to the Catholic faith.
And I am willing to compromise when it comes to those ecumenical prayer services in other churches that we are invited to. Let them be held in the Catholic Church, with Catholic prayers, in front of the Blessed Sacrament. And all should be invited to kneel.
In what environment are you referring to?
Rodney Stark and Steve Bruce are probably the two most interesting sociologists of religion writing at the moment. They have opposite views on what is happening, caused partly by the fact that Stark is American whilst Bruce is British. Another good observer, though very British, is Edward Norman, a former Anglican priest now Catholic.
That’s too bad. You seem to be a perfect person to hook them and then educate them.
And that was said toungue in cheek, right?
No, my friend. I was totally serious. No smilies if you’ll notice.And that was said toungue in cheek, right?
Well, I do teach catechism and have for about five years. Last session, I had to tell one of the teachers in our group session that the Mass was a sacrifice, not just a meal. I made sure I addressed the whole group, so as not to single out any adults who might be poorly educated in their faith (and teaching little children).
Hi Kirk. I for one believe that the Catholic Church is the one true church. All other Christian sects, Orthodox, Anglican, Baptist Adventist whatever rejected the true church to form their own adulterated churches. The only truth that they can possibly have in them is what they took from the Catholic Church when they left. That is the reality and the truth of the situation. Of these groups I would consider only the Orthodox and possibly some conservative Anglican groups to have much of a chance at salvation except in some personal situations. As for the Jews and the Muslims, they explicitly and vehemently reject Christ and his role in the salvation of man completely. Since Christ himself said that no man comes to the father except through me, they seem outside the possibility of salvation as well, in the majority of cases…
Very good post, palmas.
That’s all a bit vague isn’t it?
Again, how does the Church interpret that verse? Be careful of cherry-picking one verse of Scripture to support your argument, what ever it is.
Oh? They seem? What does the Church say about how the possibility of their salvation seems? Does that line up with your opinion?
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