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Gorgias
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I’m not sure I’d call these “instructions”, let alone “rubrics”, no?
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Bill_B_NY
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It is a document which gives the teachings of the Catholic Church, which come from both the Bible and the Tradition handed down by Jesus to the Apostles (which is what the New Testament is). There have been many catechisms in the Church. We can say that St. Paul wrote catechetical texts. The Catechism explains Infallible Dogmas, as well as non-infallible theological propositions.
The Bible is not solely a teaching document. It is the divinely inspired Word of God, that has many purposes. It is the source of the revelation of God’s plan in history. The New Testament is the starting point for the Church that Jesus created. The Bible came from God, and belongs to the Church that God established on earth. Outside of the Church, the Bible is misused and in a sense is a stolen document. It belongs to those into whose custody it was given.
The Catechism is an interpretation of the Bible. It is the companion of the Bible, enabling us to understand it correctly.
A catechism is like the preaching of the Popes and Bishops through time - necessary for understanding the Bible.
Reading the Bible outside of Catholic doctrine (the Catechism) is certain to lead to error.
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JanR
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This is why there’ve been several editions of the Catechism over the years. It gets edited and updated from time to time. I still have my edition with the tan-colored cover, and I have the dark green one, which came along later. The latest edition, I believe, has a blue cover. The basic teachings are still the same in all of them, because the basic teachings draw directly from Scripture and from Sacred Tradition. I find the Catechism a great reference in helping to understand what is in the Bible, and also in understanding what the Church teaches.annad347:
The Catechism is a document that tells you what Catholics believe. It draws from the Bible and from Sacred Tradition. The Bible and Tradition are infallible. The Catechism is not. When something that is in the Catechism is not in the Bible, we can still be reasonably sure that it is correct. This is because it draws from Sacred Tradition, which is equal to the Bible. However, when something from the Catechism isn’t in either the Bible or Sacred Tradition, we have no guarantee that it is correct. The Catechism is only guaranteed to be correct when it draws directly from the Bible or Sacred Tradition. The catechism is a fallible work that can be revised and edited, unlike the Bible or the dogmatic decrees of the Ecumenical Councils.
I suggest keeping both the Bible and the Catechism together on the bookshelf.
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Dovekin
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They are instructions. “ I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you” is instruction language.Dovekin:
I’m not sure I’d call these “instructions”, let alone “rubrics”, no?
And these instructions are INSTEAD OF rubrics because they are not detailed like rubrics.
So yes they are instructions despite not being rubrics.
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Gorgias
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I’d have to disagree. Instructions would be something like what we see in the Didache and other documents. This is merely a reminder of previous instructions that Paul had provided in his oral preaching to the Corinthians – kind of like a “don’t you remember what I taught you? ‘Do this in memory of me’ and all that?” And, the passage from Luke is the original narrative, and not a set of instructions of how the early Church fulfilled that command.
The Beatitudes? Instructions… but not for worship. The Prodigal Son? It’s a teaching story about the value of love and forgiveness. The preaching of John the Baptist? Really? His teaching was merely “turn your life around and get ready for the messiah”…
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Bill, the Church does encourage Prayerful Study of the Bible - Lectio Divina…
And yes, as He wills, God’s Holy Spirit can assist individuals in Interpretation
That said, there would never be any New Public Revelation being revealed.
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Bill_B_NY
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EndTimes - yes, the Church does encourage us and it is important. The vast majority of the Bible can be freely interpreted by us as we read it also. What I meant was that if a person doesn’t know any Catholic doctrine and just reads the Bible, eventually they will make a mistake on interpreting something essential, as they do it on their own, with no guidance of Catholic teaching.
But at the same time, many people discover the Catholic Faith just by reading the Bible, so God uses this in a very powerful way also.
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annad347
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True. Especially when those answers lead to more questions.
I don’t know if I can edit the title.
I’ll be back asap… a lot to think about.
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annad347
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I kind of think those are some very powerful instructions. Turn your life… get ready for the Lord.
A pretty good start to a set of instructions given to us for what God wants you to do.
@Bill_B_NY, just as the Holy Spirit used the Bible to lead you to the Catholic church, it can lead others to a different church. It lead me to both a Catholic and Lutheran church… both have very similar teachings and understandings of the Bible.
po18guy
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The Holy Spirit cannot lead to division. Impossible. No way. However, the Spirit can lead to the Catholic Church via differing paths. The caveat here is that all paths must lead to the fullness of truth - and that is not any other Church on earth. Period. They all have truth in them, good people, but Christ established just one.
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How do you know, where the Holy Spirit leads someone?
They all have the truth of Christ but are not part of Christ?
I meant the Holy Spirit will lead you to a church where the foundation is Jesus Christ. Where they teach the only way to salvation is Jesus Christ. If they have the truth, they are part of Christ.
The Holy Spirit can not lead you to a church that is based on lies about Jesus Christ, to lies about God.
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John the Baptist’s message was “merely” to Obey the Son of God?Gorgias:
I kind of think those are some very powerful instructions. Turn your life… get ready for the Lord.
A pretty good start to a set of instructions given to us for what God wants you to do.
@Bill_B_NY, just as the Holy Spirit used the Bible to lead you to the Catholic church, it can lead others to a different church. It lead me to both a Catholic and Lutheran church… both have very similar teachings and understandings of the Bible.
Differing Christian ‘sects’ came about through the work of Satan
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annad347
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Not true because you are never be lead by the Holy Spirit to anything built on the work of Satan. so if its is the works of Satan, its not a christian ‘sect’ that was built on the foundation of Jesus Christ, that will teach you the truth of Jesus Christ or the truth of God. You will not be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. You will not be doing anything that will praise or glorify God. So its not a house of God, its not Christian.
If you are in a christian sect that leads you Satan, you are not following the Holy Spirit. You are ignoring the Holy Spirit in you, because the Spirit would never lead you to evil. The Holy Spirit can NOT lead you to evil.
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I’m not saying being Protestant leads one to Satan per se…
I am saying that splits and divisions are indeed the work of Satan
Because some Christian sects have some tenets which oppose / disagree with - those of others - not everything within all Christian sects are true…
Catholicism accepts all that is TRUE within any belief system
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annad347
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or part of God’s amazing plan, that man will never understand.
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annad347
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Second reading in today’s service. 1 Corinthians 12:3-13
The Catechism teaches us to understand the truth that is taught in the church you attend. (looked Catechism a lot of churches have one. I know that makes me sound stupid but I never knew, never thought to just look up the word Catechism, yes I’m weird)
Anyway, all Christian churches have the truth in them, lead us to Jesus Christ, lead us to God through the power of the Holy Spirit. We may not be in the same church but we are all part of One God.
I love that I go to both services each week… and that God gives the ability to attend each service each week.
Thank you all for your help in helping me understand the Catechism.
The Catechism teaches us to understand the truth that is taught in the church you attend. (looked Catechism a lot of churches have one. I know that makes me sound stupid but I never knew, never thought to just look up the word Catechism, yes I’m weird)
Anyway, all Christian churches have the truth in them, lead us to Jesus Christ, lead us to God through the power of the Holy Spirit. We may not be in the same church but we are all part of One God.
I love that I go to both services each week… and that God gives the ability to attend each service each week.
Thank you all for your help in helping me understand the Catechism.
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EndTimes
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Nope. God is never behind Sin
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annad347
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You don’t think that’s important instructions?
Didn’t say God was behind sin, I said the separation could have been part of God’s plan that goes beyond man’s understanding.
From my understanding a lot of important changes happened because of the reformation. The separation could have been God’s plan to wake up church leaders, make them aware of what was going on, return to listening to the Holy Spirit, to follow His will and not their own.
The separation could have also been part of God’s plan because He protected His children who. though separated from the Catholic church, were not separated from Him. He made sure they still had Him, the truth of Jesus Christ, the truth of the Holy Spirit, the truth of Salvation, given to them through the Word of God.
Satan would never do anything that benefits God or His children. Where the Truth of the Lord is present. Where 2 or more are gather in His name He is present, how would any of that benefit Satan?
anyway, that’s what I believe.
God has a plan for everything.
There is a reason for everything.
The Holy Spirit helps us know we are following God.
He is never behind sin, that is very true.
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