QUIZ: when was the BEGINNING of the Church?

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Also, i think the thing you accomplished most here is ensuring that in the future i skip threads that you start
 
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As a matter of interest, here is another sentence (still trying to find the one in answer to this thread):

‘With regard to Mary, these liturgies celebrate it as a feast of the new Eve, the obedient and faithful virgin, who with her generous “fiat” (cf. Lk. 1:38) became through the working of the Spirit the Mother of God, but also the true Mother of the living, and, by receiving into her womb the one Mediator (cf. 1 Tm. 2:5), became the true Ark of the Covenant and true Temple of God.’

Still searching…
 
Wow. I can’t believe I just read throughout basically this entire thread. What a disaster.
 
Thank you for your kindness and to everyone on CAF, and CAF for your kindness.
 
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Are you ready to give the full answer with the documents you’ve been talking about?
 
Marialis Cultus (February 2, 1974) | Paul VI’
  1. As we examine the texts of the revised Missal we see how the great Marian themes of the Roman prayerbook have been accepted in perfect doctrinal continuity with the past. Thus, for example, we have the themes of Mary’s Immaculate Conception and fullness of grace, the divine motherhood, the unblemished and fruitful virginity, the Temple of the Holy Spirit, Mary’s cooperation in the work of her Son, her exemplary sanctity, merciful intercession, Assumption into heaven, maternal Queenship and many other themes. We also see how other themes, in a certain sense new ones, have been introduced in equally perfect harmony with the theological developments of the present day. Thus, for example, we have the theme of Mary and the Church, which has been inserted into the texts of the Missal in a variety of aspects, a variety that matches the many and varied relations that exist between the Mother of Christ and the Church. For example, in the celebration of the Immaculate Conception which texts recognize the beginning of the Church, the spotless Bride of Christ.(25) In the Assumption they recognize the beginning that has already been made and the image of what, for the whole Church, must still come to pass.(26) In the mystery of Mary’s motherhood they confess that she is the Mother of the Head and of the members-the holy Mother of God and therefore the provident Mother of the Church.(27)’
 
friardchips said:
in the celebration of the Immaculate Conception which texts recognize the beginning of the Church,
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Sorry, without listing specifically, with paragraph references, which texts you are referring to you answer will be considered WRONG!
 
And there it is.

Once again:

‘Marialis Cultis’ (Saint Pope Paul VI):

‘For example, in the celebration of the Immaculate Conception which texts recognise the beginning of the Church, the spotless Bride of Christ.’
 
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So 1 line from an apostolic exhortation is what you were looking for? 😁 Have any more needles and haystacks?
 
So now we have 15 minutes to go read the reference, understand the context, and then discuss. For someone who was wanting to impart an important part of the faith on all of us poorly formed Catholics, you sure do have abysmal teaching technique. And that is about the only kind way I can think of describing my thoughts on your “game”.
 
I can’t even look up the footnote that Paul IV is quoting when he writes “which texts recognize the beginning of the Church”.
He’s quoting the missal?
 
That doesn’t say the Immaculate Conception is the beginning of the Church. That says that the texts for the celebration of the Immaculate Conception recognize the beginning of the Church.

-Fr ACEGC
 
Maybe use the title of the document and then do your own search which might provide more workable links.
 
It means exactly that. This summarises the understanding that within the celebration of the Immaculate Conception is textual recognition of the fact that the Immaculate Conception is the ‘beginning of the Church’.
 
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Torolf said:
Could this be the document you’re thinking of?

http://w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25031987_redemptoris-mater.html
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friardchips said:
And there it is.

Once again:

‘Marialis Cultis’ (Saint Pope Paul VI):

‘For example, in the celebration of the Immaculate Conception which texts recognise the beginning of the Church, the spotless Bride of Christ.’
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This isn’t official teaching it comes down to how you interpret it.

St. John Paul II adds to this in the document noted above…

Church salutes Mary of Nazareth as the Church’s own beginning, for in the event of the Immaculate Conception the Church sees projected, and anticipated in her most noble member, the saving grace of Easter. And above all, in the Incarnation she encounters Christ and Mary indissolubly joined: he who is the Church’s Lord and Head and she who, uttering the first fiat of the New Covenant, prefigures the Church’s condition as spouse and mother.

He doesn’t say the immaculate conception is the beginning of the Church he says it is the event that projects the beginning of the Church.

Nothing is definitive here you are making that conclusion on your private interpretation.

God Bless
 
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