Quran 5:116

[inJESUS]

Oh sister amy,I heard another Durood but I do not know its meaning also.So will you kindly tell me what is the meaning of this durood?
Balagal ula be kamalihi,kashfat doo Ja be Jamalihi… .
If you know then please tell me.Is it also praise to allah?5-6 years ago it was very favorite in bangladesh.I do not know the present condition.So if you know then please let me know the meaning of this full Durood.

no it is a praise of Muhammad’s total perfection.بلغ العلى بكماله, كشف الدجى بجمال

Kamalihi = his perfection.

balagha al ula is an expression to say “very” and literally mean “he reached the peak”

 

[Booklover]

I’m thankful I don’t have to rely on people like you to interpret things. Where you came up with that, I’ll never know. If you need help, you can probably ask inJESUS who I think actually has a pretty good understanding of what barzakh is.

Muslims believe in a life in the womb, a life on the earth, a life in the grave, and a life in the Hereafter. The life in the grave, is what a person experiences after his life in this world, but before he is resurrected. Muslims believe that everyone dies, and that everyone will be resurrected on one day, the Day of Resurrection, on which they’ll be held accountable for their lives.

And that seems to be a perfectly sensible belief.

But it’s not because it makes rational sense that I believe it. I also believe that Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead but that’s not rational either.

Let’s agree to disagree! I’ve been reading your link and will quote from it:

Praise be toPraise be to Allaah.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is alive in his grave in the sense of the life of al-barzakh, so he enjoys the blessings that Allaah has prepared for him as a reward for his great good actions that he did in this world. But the life in the grave is not like the life of this world, or the life in the Hereafter. Rather it is the life of al-barzakh which comes in between his life in this world and his life in the Hereafter. Hence we know that he died as other Prophets and other people before him died. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
Allaah.

and:

And there are other verses which also indicate that Allaah caused him to die. Moreover, the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) washed him, shrouded him, offered the funeral prayer for him and buried him; if he had been alive in the worldly sense, they would not have done the same as is done for others who die

and:

With regard to the soul of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), it is in the highest part of ‘Illiyyeen, because he is the best of creation, and because Allaah has given him al-waseelah which is the highest position in Paradise.
The life of al-barzakh is a special life. The Prophets and the shuhada’ (martyrs) are alive in al-barzakh as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Prophets are alive and they pray in their graves.” (Narrated by al-Mundhiri and al-Bayhaqi who classed it as saheeh because of corroborating reports in al-Saheehayn.)
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And say not of those who are killed in the way of Allaah, ‘They are dead.’ Nay, they are living, but you perceive (it) not”
[al-Baqarah 2:154]
This is a special life, the nature of which is known to Allaah. **It is not like the life of this world in which the soul remains with the body. **

You may find that enlightening, but I certainly don’t. How does any of this differ from what I questioned? He even hears prayers in his grave according to your link!

If the soul is not with the body, how can he hear prayers in the grave? I haven’t read any link from an Islamic site that made any sense. I’m always left in a total state of confusion. Statements are made with no reasonable explanation. If anyone else can make any sense out of this, please do so!

Vickie

 

[Lapell]

and:

and:

You may find that enlightening, but I certainly don’t. How does any of this differ from what I questioned? He even hears prayers in his grave according to your link!

If the soul is not with the body, how can he hear prayers in the grave? I haven’t read any link from an Islamic site that made any sense. I’m always left in a total state of confusion. Statements are made with no reasonable explanation. If anyone else can make any sense out of this, please do so!

Vickie

Well, Booklover, you know, some people might ask US: “When the saints all died, how can they intercede for you when you ask them to?”
Also, when a dead body was thrown to Prophet Elisha’s tomb, how was it that that dead body came back to life as soon as his body touched that of Elisha (in 2 Kings), even though Elisha himself was dead? This I don’t think the author(s) of the second Book of Kings made up, it must have seemed quite mysterious to those who first told the story back then, must it not?

 

[Lapell]

So what sister? Your sinless prophet needs prayer for himself,and we need prayer for us(because we are sinner).So You(muslims) pray for your prophet,but we ask our saints to pray for us.And Hail Mary?i do not know what’s wrong with this word “Hail”.But indeed it is not prayer because you know people also said Hail the king or hail victorious etc etc.So it is not prayer.And you are correct I only can read arabic with symbols,and without symbol I can not read Arabic.And I can not understand Arabic.I read all islamic scriptures in my native language bangla.But I guess I am not wrong totally because in Durood atleast you pray for muhammed(And though muslims do not say hail muhammed but they sometimes praise muhammed more than allah),But we are sinner and Mary is sinless,saints are God’s special people and vicar,so we ask them to pray for us to God.So what’s wrong with it?

I think Sister Amy was saying that there are prayers to the Prophet Muhammad, just like the Hail Mary is said tothe Blessed Virgin Mary. And we do say to her: “Holy Mary, mother of God (that’s Jesus), pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.” Isn’t it so? Still, in doing so we don’t worship her, do we?

 

[Lapell]

What Islam has, on the other hand, is the testimony of God Almighty! Can you argue with that? Can you say, “No, God, it didn’t really happen that way”?

We Christians and the Jews before us also do claim that we have the testimony of God Almighty! Can YOU argue with that, yourself? And can YOU say, “No, God, it didn’t really happen that way”?

 

[Booklover]

Well, Booklover, you know, some people might ask US: “When the saints all died, how can they intercede for you when you ask them to?”
Also, when a dead body was thrown to Prophet Elisha’s tomb, how was it that that dead body came back to life as soon as his body touched that of Elisha (in 2 Kings), even though Elisha himself was dead? This I don’t think the author(s) of the second Book of Kings made up, it must have seemed quite mysterious to those who first told the story back then, must it not?

I would call that a miracle and very different from “life in the grave” as that link claims. Can you explain what they mean?

Vickie

 

[Lapell]

We Christians and the Jews before us also do claim that we have the testimony of God Almighty! Can YOU argue with that, yourself? And can YOU say, “No, God, it didn’t really happen that way”?

I only say this in case you meant to say your Holy Book is truly from God, but not ours… which I don’t absolutely believe is what you had meant to do, but in this world we can’t read the minds thoroughly. And I say this not only to you (not even first to you), but to all.
For even though the Hebrew Bible (not just the Torah, but the whole of it) has claimed for centuries to have God as her Author, through inspired writers, and so has the New Testament, still there have been, and still are, people who have denied it or have said it’s corrupt(ed?)…

 

[Lapell]

Well, Booklover, you know, some people might ask US: “When the saints all died, how can they intercede for you when you ask them to?”
Also, when a dead body was thrown to Prophet Elisha’s tomb, how was it that that dead body came back to life as soon as his body touched that of Elisha (in 2 Kings), even though Elisha himself was dead? This I don’t think the author(s) of the second Book of Kings made up, it must have seemed quite mysterious to those who first told the story back then, must it not?

Ahem, Booklover, I should have put the second paragraph in a separate post, I can see it now. Although… where did the life brought back to that man come from? As I said, Elisha was dead and still was after the fact… Yes, it’s a miracle, I agree…

Still, the 1st paragraph would have sufficed, wouldn’t it have? And then, how would you reply to them?

 

[Booklover]

Ahem, Booklover, I should have put the second paragraph in a separate post, I can see it now. Although… where did the life brought back to that man come from? As I said, Elisha was dead and still was after the fact… Yes, it’s a miracle, I agree…

Still, the 1st paragraph would have sufficed, wouldn’t it have? And then, how would you reply to them?

The souls of the saints are in heaven, and yes, they do hear our prayers, but the body in the grave is but an empty shell. Maybe you can explain it better?

Vickie

 

[Lapell]

The souls of the saints are in heaven, and yes, they do hear our prayers, but the body in the grave is but an empty shell. Maybe you can explain it better?

Vickie

Frankly, better to state it than actually try to “explain” what can’t be “explained”… but I don’t believe I could put it better, really…
God bless you, your family and relatives and all the ones dear to you during this new year.

 

[Booklover]

Frankly, better to state it than actually try to “explain” what can’t be “explained”… but I don’t believe I could put it better, really…
God bless you, your family and relatives and all the ones dear to you during this new year.

Thanks! Same to you and your relatives and friends!

Vickie

 

[athair_siochain]

Don’t the practicing Christians and the observant Jews also believe all this? For once there is a common ground, it seems…
Hi, Sister Amy, nice to read you again.

Jesus also came up against people who believed they knew everything, it was difficult to change their thinking, so he told parables this way people would see through his eyes,

a story that mayhelp,

A being from another Galaxy landed on earth, this being came from a planet where there was no greed or hatred,–this being believed in a supreme being,— a creator of the Universe, —everyone on his planet loved everyone, they kept the planet in its original condition, a paradise, no one attended a church or prayed, they were all very happy, the first two people this being met were Ian Paisley and Benny Hinn, they got talking about there lives, and the lives of the people on the distant planet, the being asked the two would they like to visit the planet, they discussed between themselves, they saw a opening to convert millions of beings to their church, so they decided to go,

When they arrived on the planet, “What did Paisley and Hinn do?” they did nothing because they thought they had died and gone to heaven,.

Those on this site who know so much about the Quran , yet cant speak one word of Arabic are like Paisley and Hinn

 

[Booklover]

Jesus also came up against people who believed they knew everything, it was difficult to change their thinking, so he told parables this way people would see through his eyes,

a story that mayhelp,

A being from another Galaxy landed on earth, this being came from a planet where there was no greed or hatred,–this being believed in a supreme being,— a creator of the Universe, —everyone on his planet loved everyone, they kept the planet in its original condition, a paradise, no one attended a church or prayed, they were all very happy, the first two people this being met were Ian Paisley and Benny Hinn, they got talking about there lives, and the lives of the people on the distant planet, the being asked the two would they like to visit the planet, they discussed between themselves, they saw a opening to convert millions of beings to their church, so they decided to go,

When they arrived on the planet, “What did Paisley and Hinn do?” they did nothing because they thought they had died and gone to heaven,.

Those on this site who know so much about the Quran , yet cant speak one word of Arabic are like Paisley and Hinn

Why should we have to know Arabic to read the Quran?

Vickie

 

[pete_29]

Jesus also came up against people who believed they knew everything, it was difficult to change their thinking, so he told parables this way people would see through his eyes,

a story that mayhelp,

A being from another Galaxy landed on earth, this being came from a planet where there was no greed or hatred,–this being believed in a supreme being,— a creator of the Universe, —everyone on his planet loved everyone, they kept the planet in its original condition, a paradise, no one attended a church or prayed, they were all very happy, the first two people this being met were Ian Paisley and Benny Hinn, they got talking about there lives, and the lives of the people on the distant planet, the being asked the two would they like to visit the planet, they discussed between themselves, they saw a opening to convert millions of beings to their church, so they decided to go,

When they arrived on the planet, “What did Paisley and Hinn do?” they did nothing because they thought they had died and gone to heaven,.

Those on this site who know so much about the Quran , yet cant speak one word of Arabic are like Paisley and Hinn

and those on this site who know so much about the Bible and can’t see Jesus is God are the same.

 

[Christ_Is_Life]

Jesus also came up against people who believed they knew everything, it was difficult to change their thinking, so he told parables this way people would see through his eyes,

a story that mayhelp,

A being from another Galaxy landed on earth, this being came from a planet where there was no greed or hatred,–this being believed in a supreme being,— a creator of the Universe, —everyone on his planet loved everyone, they kept the planet in its original condition, a paradise, no one attended a church or prayed, they were all very happy, the first two people this being met were Ian Paisley and Benny Hinn, they got talking about there lives, and the lives of the people on the distant planet, the being asked the two would they like to visit the planet, they discussed between themselves, they saw a opening to convert millions of beings to their church, so they decided to go,

When they arrived on the planet, “What did Paisley and Hinn do?” they did nothing because they thought they had died and gone to heaven,.

Those on this site who know so much about the Quran , yet cant speak one word of Arabic are like Paisley and Hinn

Lets not forget the Muslims who might post here or on other sites who are willing to discuss their religion and defend it yet know little to no Arabic yet use that argument against the people who they are debating with.

 

[Booklover]

Lets not forget the Muslims who might post here or on other sites who are willing to discuss their religion and defend it yet know little to no Arabic yet use that argument against the people who they are debating with.

There are also those who can recite it in Arabic without knowing what it means.

Vickie

 

[Christ_Is_Life]

There are also those who can recite it in Arabic without knowing what it means.

Vickie

You must have been reading my mind because when I posted that comment I was thinking of some muslim friends who explained to me that pretty much every muslim must learn to recite the Koran in Arabic. When I asked if they understood it they said no, but obviously there are those who take their learning further and do understand Arabic but I have yet to personally meet one who knows more than the odd line or phrase despite having a number of muslim friends.

 

[Lapell]

and those on this site who know so much about the Bible and can’t see Jesus is God are the same.

Ahem! Easy for us cradle Catholics and other Christians to say, it seems to me… It being a matter of faith, it is therefore not necessarily “evident”. Do you think the Apostles believed in Jesus just like that, instantly? Jesus Himself has always been patient to those slow to understand, provided they did not try a false and mischievous explanation to not accept him (such as saying that he was performing healings through Belzebul!)…

 

[athair_siochain]

Why should we have to know Arabic to read the Quran?

Vickie

because you will find the true meaning to the words,
by knowing Arabic.

 

[athair_siochain]

You must have been reading my mind because when I posted that comment I was thinking of some muslim friends who explained to me that pretty much every muslim must learn to recite the Koran in Arabic. When I asked if they understood it they said no, but obviously there are those who take their learning further and do understand Arabic but I have yet to personally meet one who knows more than the odd line or phrase despite having a number of muslim friends.

Many phrases have no English translation/meaning