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exactly, you should quote nothing…you should read it as a whole but you will understand the truth at the end…if you tell me Moses allowed divorce, i will tell you he did this NOT because it is God’s wish but to cope with harsh people…so to understand about this point or any other point, refer to what Jesus said about it and how Jesus behaved regarding many “laws”.
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Allah also revealed laws that were meant to be temporary and others that were meant to be forever. How is that changing His mind? we must look at what verses are changed to see if he did change his mind or not…but changing Jerusalem to Kaaba seems to me an example.
what do you mean? that nothing in the site is valid? did you even read it as i will read yours about answering-Christianity which i find hilarious?
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No I didn’t read it and don’t plan on it. It twists things around. Anyone can do that. Why not think of things for yourself instead of using anti-Islamic websites? I also only resorted to answeringChristianity to show you anyone can do what you are doing. and i answered brieflyafter reading it…why don’t you try to read to see whether they support their claims or not? nothing is said without support from hadith or sira ,tafaseer or scholars.
i thought submission is muslim…anyways the articles have references and hadith and muslim scholars…refusing them only because they are not islamic site is wrong.
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They aren’t they believe that there is a Prophet after Muhammad peace be upon him. I also don’t think they use much hadith, as they deny hadith altogether which further takes them out of the fold of Islam. am not refering to submission.org but to the others…the articles about insertion of vowels/marks ecc are all supported by evidences.
muslims say the killing one soul is like killing all verse applies to muslims thou it is very clear allah was adressing bani israel…the verse allah quoted is in the Talmud.
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Some verses in the Quran are general others are specific. You learn this in Usul al Fiqh. so it doesn’t apply to muslims? and the fact that it is taken from Talmud means nothing to you?
if it has to do with morals? yes. If God calls it shameful but Allah says it’s good ?yes. But the point is that Allah did not ask Mohammad immediately to bow toward Kaaba but to Jerusalem so if Allah wanted to prove a point to jews he should have started directly with Kaaba…starting with Jerusalem means Allah had no problem but then he changed it . Changing many stuff during 23 years is very suspicious.
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Actually in Mecca there weren’t any Jews. The Jews were in Medina, why would God prove the point to the Jews when they weren’t around? The Qibla was changed soon after the migration of the Prophet peace be upon him to Medina, for the Jews to witness. what should the jews witness? …one sahih hadith states that allah changed it cuz it was mohammad’s wish…but my question is : if Allah wanted to prove a point, he changes the direction?? if Jerusalem is Holy, he changes it cuz of people?? but from what i know, Jerusalem is holy to muslims where mohammad’s “vision” of jamii al aqsa happened and that the kaaba was built by Abraham… :confused: …kinda Allah didn’t decide which one is holier. If Abraham built it, why then Jerusalem? and if Jerusalem is holy, why change a holy direction in God’s eyes to prove a point to jews?
Let’s narrow this down. What is your point? Is there something you are trying to prove?
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i want to understand about the tablet …so far you gave some confusing replies…it is a creation by Allah : to prove what? who knows…the quran has abrogated verses, different variations, numbers and chapter divisions was done by human according to soura’s lenghth so what is exactly preserved and why is the quran preserved?
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Emad

All of the Prophets of the Children of Israel were in the Jerusalem area, the Children of Israel killed and disbelieved in most of their Prophets. Thus God was telling them that I am now taking this responsibility and honor away from you and giving it to a new people, the Prophet peace be upon him and his companions in Mecca, who weren’t from the Children of Israel.

Nonsense! This is just wishful thinking on the part of Muslims! God the Father never broke his covenant with the Jews, who were the chosen people, even when they disobeyed him! The Bible states that salvation is coming from the Jews! Jesus was a Jew and he, God the Son, did not break his covenant with his disciples even when they abandoned him during his passion and death out of fear, and he still left his church in the hands of Peter, who denied him 3 times!
 
i want to understand about the tablet …so far you gave some confusing replies…it is a creation by Allah : to prove what? who knows…the quran has abrogated verses, different variations, numbers and chapter divisions was done by human according to soura’s lenghth so what is exactly preserved and why is the quran preserved?

Good I will only reply to this as you said this is your main point. The tablet and the Quran are two different things. The tablet isn’t there to preserve the Quran, it is just a creation of Allah, what is it’s purpose I don’t know I will ask a scholar and get back to you.
 
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Emad:
i want to understand about the tablet …so far you gave some confusing replies…it is a creation by Allah : to prove what? who knows…the quran has abrogated verses, different variations, numbers and chapter divisions was done by human according to soura’s lenghth so what is exactly preserved and why is the quran preserved?

Good I will only reply to this as you said this is your main point. The tablet and the Quran are two different things. The tablet isn’t there to preserve the Quran, it is just a creation of Allah, what is it’s purpose I don’t know I will ask a scholar and get back to you.
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ok thx .

Does it mean you won’t answer the rest?
 
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inJESUS:
ok thx .

Does it mean you won’t answer the rest?
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Yes I won’t, I am involved in too many threads on this forum, more than I intended I have to pick my priorites and replying to claims made on answeringIslam isn’t one of them.
 
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Emad:
Yes I won’t, I am involved in too many threads on this forum, more than I intended I have to pick my priorites and replying to claims made on answeringIslam isn’t one of them.
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Emad:
No they weren’t. And God didn’t change His mind, it was Him prohibiting things gradually. It also wasn’t so many times, there are about 4 abrogated verses in the entire Quran. Also I think you skipped my questions about the OT.
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ps, do you know arabic?

Sounds like “Allah” doesn’t know what he’s doing, if he has to do things by a hit and miss process!:rolleyes:

Vickie
 
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Booklover:
Sounds like “Allah” doesn’t know what he’s doing, if he has to do things by a hit and miss process!:rolleyes:

Vickie
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It wasn’t hit and miss. He made some things prohibited gradually. Abrogation is in the Bible as well. In Islam the abrogated verses are similar to the relationship between the NT and OT. Scholars also differ as to how many verses are abrogated.

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503548174

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