Racism is alive and well..

[Feanor2]

The threatening racism is not the vocal do nothing person, it is the subtle but powerfull racistism that slip below the radar screen and impact the nation as a whole. For instance look at national policies that are not overtly racist but are disproportionatly benneficial to one race at the expense of another.

We also need to worry about those who themselves talk about peace and inclusion but surround themselves with radical racist.

I disagree. The most powerful form of racism is institutionalized oppression- an overarching manifestation of the power of the majority culture. This institutionalized oppression directly affects the availability of jobs and domiciles. your post demonstrates the viral nature of this illness. An individual of the majority culture CAN NOT understand the struggles of those affected by this social illness.

But these sort of sentiments are tipical and show that much work needs to be done.

 

[Gaurdian]

I disagree. The most powerful form of racism is institutionalized oppression- an overarching manifestation of the power of the majority culture. This institutionalized oppression directly affects the availability of jobs and domiciles. your post demonstrates the viral nature of this illness. An individual of the majority culture CAN NOT understand the struggles of those affected by this social illness.

But these sort of sentiments are tipical and show that much work needs to be done.

Rep. Charlie Rangel of NY fans the flames of racist politics

nypost.com/p/news/regional/charlie_ups_the_race_card_ante_ztFcDNxxgKhNWheKomzPON

Rep. Charlie Rangel ups the race-card ante
By CARL CAMPANILE

Posted: 4:35 AM, September 3, 2009

First it was Gov. Paterson. Now the dean of New York’s congressional delegation has played the race card – and just as the governor did, he’s using President Obama to do it.

Rep. Charles Rangel said Tuesday that “bias” and “prejudice” toward Obama are fueling opposition to health-care reform.

Those incendiary comments came on the heels of Paterson’s controversial comments about race that also mentioned the nation’s first black president.

"Some Americans have not gotten over the fact that Obama is president of the United States. They go to sleep wondering, ‘How did this happen?’ " Rangel (D-Manhattan) said Tuesday.

Speaking at a health-care forum in Washington Heights, Rangel said that when critics complain that Obama is “trying to interfere” with their lives by pushing for health-care reform, “then you know there’s just a misunderstanding, a bias, a prejudice, an emotional feeling.”

“We’re going to have to move forward notwithstanding that,” said Rangel, the powerful chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee and a chief health-care negotiator.

Rangel then likened the battle over health-care expansion for the uninsured to the fight for civil rights.

“Why do we have to wait for the right to vote? Why can’t we get what God has given us? That is the right to live as human beings and not negotiate with white southerners and not count the votes. Just do the right thing,” he said.

Rangel’s comments came less than two weeks after Paterson claimed he has been the victim of a racist white media – and also suggested that opposition to Obama’s plan is racially driven.

The White House was quick to rebut Paterson’s comments.

Critics of ObamaCare blasted Rangel for taking the low road.

“Charlie Rangel knows that race has nothing to do with the health-care debate. He should not be implying that race has anything to do with it,” said Rep. Peter King (R-LI).

State Conservative Party leader Mike Long called Rangel’s comment “outrageous and outlandish” – and suggested the congressman might be trying to deflect attention from his ethics woes.

“Rangel is playing the race card. It’s clear that the congressman is trying to galvanize the minority community that this is ‘us against them.’ It’s going to backfire. A majority of people will see through this,” Long said.

 

[Feanor2]

what is a “race card”? I don’t know know what this is.

 

[ljubim]

There’s a bit of racism out there towards and coming from every group, even if it’s positive racism like all asians are smart. A long time ago I saw an old couple being racist towards Russians. And don’t forget anti-catholicism… (sort of like racism, right? We’re all God’s children…)

I wouldn’t get too incensed about it. Just pray! Anybody who’s racist is really messed up.

And this is kind of irrelevant but it helps serve the point.

 

[Gaurdian]

There’s a bit of racism out there towards and coming from every group, even if it’s positive racism like all asians are smart. A long time ago I saw an old couple being racist towards Russians. And don’t forget anti-catholicism… (sort of like racism, right? We’re all God’s children…)

I wouldn’t get too incensed about it. Just pray! Anybody who’s racist is really messed up.

And this is kind of irrelevant but it helps serve the point.

It is interesting to note the African-Transatlantic slave trade lasted from about 16-19th Centuries and the US accounted for less then 5%, Brazil was the most populist.

Arab slave trade lasted for more than 1000yrs and accounted for well over 18 million persons.

African-Trans-Indian Ocean slave trade accounted for untold millions of persons. An estimated 8-9million persons were slaves in India in 1841.

Capture of slaves were typically carried out by African kingdoms, such as the Oyo empire (Yoruba), the Ashanti Empire, the kingdom of Dahomey,[43] and the Aro Confederacy.[44] Europeans rarely entered the interior of Africa, due to fear of disease and moreover fierce African resistance. The slaves were brought to coastal outposts where they were traded for goods.

 

[royal_archer]

I disagree. The most powerful form of racism is institutionalized oppression- an overarching manifestation of the power of the majority culture. This institutionalized oppression directly affects the availability of jobs and domiciles. your post demonstrates the viral nature of this illness. An individual of the majority culture CAN NOT understand the struggles of those affected by this social illness.

But these sort of sentiments are tipical and show that much work needs to be done.

I was also talking about institutional racism. The majority culture is not the same as the majority by DNA. In our culture the majority of people feel that special advantages need to be given to certain individuals based on their race. There is no doubt racism exists at the private level but so does sexism, beautyism, atheticism, and a variety of other individual preferences that will mean that some people will not be viewed favorably when applying for various jobs but will have more advantage when applying for other jobs. This is different from institutionalized national mandates that force discrimination accross the entire country.

And By the way, I do understand. I have been told I could not have job soley because of my race and could not have another job soley because of my sex.

 

[royal_archer]

It is interesting to note the African-Transatlantic slave trade lasted from about 16-19th Centuries and the US accounted for less then 5%, Brazil was the most populist.

Arab slave trade lasted for more than 1000yrs and accounted for well over 18 million persons.

African-Trans-Indian Ocean slave trade accounted for untold millions of persons. An estimated 8-9million persons were slaves in India in 1841.

Capture of slaves were typically carried out by African kingdoms, such as the Oyo empire (Yoruba), the Ashanti Empire, the kingdom of Dahomey,[43] and the Aro Confederacy.[44] Europeans rarely entered the interior of Africa, due to fear of disease and moreover fierce African resistance. The slaves were brought to coastal outposts where they were traded for goods.

Most people don’t know that the term slave is a derivative of Slav for the Slavic people who were captured and put to forced servitude in such large numbers for such a long time that their name became synonomous with forced servitude.

 

[ljubim]

Most people don’t know that the term slave is a derivative of Slav for the Slavic people who were captured and put to forced servitude in such large numbers for such a long time that their name became synonomous with forced servitude.

No, no, no! Slav means word in all the slavic languages (slawa, slava, слава, etc) ; and so it encompassed everybody whose languages are similar. Likewise the word for German means literally, dummy, or one who can’t understand. (niemiec, немец)

I’m not shooting the messenger, just the message. Idk who started that piece of trivia but it makes me angry. Possibly a racist person spread this around…? In this world there’s always something!

 

[rpp]

Most people don’t know that the term slave is a derivative of Slav for the Slavic people who were captured and put to forced servitude in such large numbers for such a long time that their name became synonomous with forced servitude.

No, no, no! Slav means word in all the slavic languages (slawa, slava, слава, etc) ; and so it encompassed everybody whose languages are similar. Likewise the word for German means literally, dummy, or one who can’t understand. (niemiec, немец)

I’m not shooting the messenger, just the message. Idk who started that piece of trivia but it makes me angry. Possibly a racist person spread this around…? In this world there’s always something!

Umm… Sorry to disappoint you, ljubim, but Royal Archer is correct. Please look at this link which explains the etymology of the word “slave”.

etymonline.com/index.php?term=slave

I found this after doing some reasearch in responce to RA’s comment. I did not believe he was correct either and felt the same sense of offense as you. However, after lookning at this and few other sites, it turns out that RA is correct, despite the unpleasant nature of his truth.

Remember we are talking about the English language, which developed more than 600 years after the fall of the Roman Empire.

 

[royal_archer]

Umm… Sorry to disappoint you, ljubim, but Royal Archer is correct. Please look at this link which explains the etymology of the word “slave”.

etymonline.com/index.php?term=slave

I found this after doing some reasearch in responce to RA’s comment. I did not believe he was correct either and felt the same sense of offense as you. However, after lookning at this and few other sites, it turns out that RA is correct, despite the unpleasant nature of his truth.

Remember we are talking about the English language, which developed more than 600 years after the fall of the Roman Empire.

Thanks for not shooting from the hip based on your innitial doubt. The discussion of the condition of those of African descent a century and a half ago and their condition today, has been very emotional and those who offer facts contrary to the accepted beliefs are too often dismissed as racist. If more people just simply checked the facts before returning fire, we could make more progress on resolving the residual issues.

 

[ljubim]

Umm… Sorry to disappoint you, ljubim, but Royal Archer is correct. Please look at this link which explains the etymology of the word “slave”.

etymonline.com/index.php?term=slave

I found this after doing some reasearch in responce to RA’s comment. I did not believe he was correct either and felt the same sense of offense as you. However, after lookning at this and few other sites, it turns out that RA is correct, despite the unpleasant nature of his truth.

Remember we are talking about the English language, which developed more than 600 years after the fall of the Roman Empire.

thanks for looking into this i guess… that’s really dissapointing
So then slavs called themselves this, but then english was derived after and they used this word to develop the word slave… ok I get it:newidea: . I like the meaning better in slavic lol.

 

[royal_archer]

thanks for looking into this i guess… that’s really dissapointing
.

Why is that disappointing?

 

[rpp]

Thanks for not shooting from the hip based on your innitial doubt. The discussion of the condition of those of African descent a century and a half ago and their condition today, has been very emotional and those who offer facts contrary to the accepted beliefs are too often dismissed as racist. If more people just simply checked the facts before returning fire, we could make more progress on resolving the residual issues.

(Okay, I know this is a bit off topic, so I apologize)

I almost did. But since I am not a linguist, I decided to check in (what I thought was) the unlikely event you were right. I was quite dismayed that you were indeed correct. Then I got to thinking about the historical context in which modern English grew from Old and Middle English and it made sense.

Essentially, this is a case of slang taking over. Latin had a strong influence on English. The Latin word for slave was abutor, from which abducted or abduct is drawn. So the original Latin word was re-purposed to mean a kidnapped person while the slang slave from Slav was meant to mean an abduction for a different purpose based on the fact that so may Slavs had been abducted and into bondage that it became a sad truism.

 

[yayi238]

Just some thoughts–

The Lord created the different races.----Was that racist?

Maybe He wants us to learn to look at the hearts of men—as He does.

I was watching a documentary on prisons. In the cells they were jailed -not based on anything in particular- just haphazardly- and it was noted that when the prisoners were allowed free time in the big yard they “naturally” (by their own will) chose to gather with others of their same race: mexicans with mexicans, blacks with blacks, whites with whites, etc. Is that a racist thing? Or a natural tendency?

More than anything I believe fear is what keeps the negative aspect of “racism” alive.
Face it, there are many different races–our Lord is in control of that.
We need to be able to learn that there is good and bad in all of us. We need to look into our own hearts and learn to look into the hearts (and not at the skin) of others.
How many numerous times does the Lord tell us to “Fear not.” ?

Just some thoughts.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Most people don’t know that the term slave is a derivative of Slav for the Slavic people who were captured and put to forced servitude in such large numbers for such a long time that their name became synonomous with forced servitude.

And to add to that it is not very well know fact that in many cases where a Slav became a slave , it’s because they were sold into slavery by other Slavs. In medieval times it was a doggie dog world in Europe.

 

[Dale_M]

Just some thoughts–
The Lord created the different races.----Was that racist?

Actually, God didn’t create different races. Humans did. There is no natural division of races. Its a human created category. We are all one race - human.

What God did was create different skin colors. That mankind divides itself into different races is our fault, not His. We also divide ourselves into different nationalities and ethnicities, but again that is our fault, not God’s.

 

[Feanor2]

Actually, God didn’t create different races. Humans did. There is no natural division of races. Its a human created category. We are all one race - human.

What God did was create different skin colors. That mankind divides itself into different races is our fault, not His. We also divide ourselves into different nationalities and ethnicities, but again that is our fault, not God’s.

That is a great post I totally agree that race is a social and legal construction. Racists constantly affirm that there is a reality to race and becm defensive when informed that these classifications of “race” are entirely man-made.

 

[aspawloski4th]

That is a great post I totally agree that race is a social and legal construction. Racists constantly affirm that there is a reality to race and becm defensive when informed that these classifications of “race” are entirely man-made.

Define manmade please. You mean to say there isn’t diference amungst the races? If not, you have tons to learn. Because of my acestory from norther nad cenral Europe I CAN’T get sickle cell anemia. If one is totaly of African decent they can’t get chromohematosis. Whether some would like to admit it or not we are different. Genetic variance was put in humans as well as everything else livng for the pourpose making it so a spiecies can’t be wiped out by a micro organism, such as a virus or a bacteria.

 

[cargau]

When immigrants came to the United States, they often lived in neighborhoods defined by race, religion or nationality. There is a certain comfort people get from living with folks who share their values, customs and traditions. This is NOT racism.

Racism is the most overused word in our language. What does it mean, exactly? Does it mean that one from a different race will be subject to abuse the way the KKK did against blacks, Jews and Catholics? Or, does it mean that someone of a different race may not be invited to Sunday supper?

Clearly, no one should ever be subject to violence of any kind because of their race. That is so profoundly wrong on so many levels. People that cry racism often cite color of skin as the only difference. This isn’t true. There are many differences. But, if someone thinks or acts differently, my willingness to deliberately associate myself with that person is my choice. It is not racism.

The race card is drawn too often. It is to the point that people are afraid of bearing the “label” even though they don’t have an ounce of bias in their bones. Certainly we must be respectful of each other, but we don’t need to be best friends…

 

[aspawloski4th]

When immigrants came to the United States, they often lived in neighborhoods defined by race, religion or nationality. There is a certain comfort people get from living with folks who share their values, customs and traditions. This is NOT racism.

Racism is the most overused word in our language. What does it mean, exactly? Does it mean that one from a different race will be subject to abuse the way the KKK did against blacks, Jews and Catholics? Or, does it mean that someone of a different race may not be invited to Sunday supper?

Clearly, no one should ever be subject to violence of any kind because of their race. That is so profoundly wrong on so many levels. People that cry racism often cite color of skin as the only difference. This isn’t true. There are many differences. But, if someone thinks or acts differently, my willingness to deliberately associate myself with that person is my choice. It is not racism.

The race card is drawn too often. It is to the point that people are afraid of bearing the “label” even though they don’t have an ounce of bias in their bones. Certainly we must be respectful of each other, but we don’t need to be best friends…

Amen!