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Racism, Neo-Nazism, and Catholic Teaching
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jesucated
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Racism is very real, and I don’t think we talk about it enough / realize how prevalent it is. Why do I believe this? I think George Yancy sums it up nicely: Dear White America
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xNoOnex
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It’s disappointing that so many people are so caught up in the culture war, they don’t want to admit that genuinely racist people are trying to use the current political climate to recruit people over to their side of things…
Back in the late 90’s and early 00’s I spent a lot of time trolling white supremacist websites. Stormfront, Resistance Records, Yahoo! chats… And when I when I wasn’t getting kicked for starting trouble, I learned a lot about the way the actually recruited. People would go to where a lot of young, angry disenfranchised white men hung out.
At the time, when the internet was still young, it was punk rock and heavy metal shows, or poor white neighborhoods. While they didn’t have a lot of success at the former (given punk as a whole was explicitly anti-racist) that had success in the later two.
These days, they capitalize on web forums, And just because you’re concerned with “secularism or atheism” doesn’t mean you should ignore growing white supremacy.
(I will agree with the one person who said most issues really involve class; it’s absolutely the root of the problem but there are people trying to capitalize on that and they need to be called out.)
Back in the late 90’s and early 00’s I spent a lot of time trolling white supremacist websites. Stormfront, Resistance Records, Yahoo! chats… And when I when I wasn’t getting kicked for starting trouble, I learned a lot about the way the actually recruited. People would go to where a lot of young, angry disenfranchised white men hung out.
At the time, when the internet was still young, it was punk rock and heavy metal shows, or poor white neighborhoods. While they didn’t have a lot of success at the former (given punk as a whole was explicitly anti-racist) that had success in the later two.
These days, they capitalize on web forums, And just because you’re concerned with “secularism or atheism” doesn’t mean you should ignore growing white supremacy.
(I will agree with the one person who said most issues really involve class; it’s absolutely the root of the problem but there are people trying to capitalize on that and they need to be called out.)
blackforest
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Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s the case.
I was also reading, although I don’t have an immediate link, that over 90% of genetic tests that are positive for Down Syndrome end with the mother getting an abortion.
I fear that eugenics may be alive and well.
Both eugenics and racism have become such overused and stigmatized terms that no one wants to own them anymore. That can make both more challenging to call out.
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guanophore
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I think I have forgotten to bring my hip boots today.
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Arkansan
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I’m aware that it’s possible to find these things if you look hard enough. The point of asking for examples was to demonstrate just how hard one would have to look.
As it is I’ve been met with deafening silence, which itself demonstrates the point.
As it is I’ve been met with deafening silence, which itself demonstrates the point.
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Arkansan
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Perhaps instead of imputing motives, you could actually respond to the arguments of people that don’t agree with your assessments.
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maybe, yes.
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abucs
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Affirmative action, Liberal education regarding history and derogatory talk of ‘white privilege’ are the obvious cases of racism today.
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Annie
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First, I’m not saying racism doesn’t exist, only that it is not evolutionary. And sure enough, in the experiment, the babies involved were babies with little exposure to people of races other than their own.
And the reactions of the babies were not described, except to say, in the one experiment, that the babies did not turn their iwn gazes in the same direction as that of adults of other races the way they did with adults of their own. This is assumed to due to “racism,” as if the categories of race were inherent in our psyches, assumed to be a negative reaction, etc. Lot of assumptions, and additionally, given some of the critiques of other experiments of this kind when it comes to race, I have to admit that I do not trust the outcomes of these types of experiments.
And the reactions of the babies were not described, except to say, in the one experiment, that the babies did not turn their iwn gazes in the same direction as that of adults of other races the way they did with adults of their own. This is assumed to due to “racism,” as if the categories of race were inherent in our psyches, assumed to be a negative reaction, etc. Lot of assumptions, and additionally, given some of the critiques of other experiments of this kind when it comes to race, I have to admit that I do not trust the outcomes of these types of experiments.
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Annie
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First article: Getting let out one month early in exchange for a vasectmy? That doesn’t seem all that coercive to me; I had thought the reduction would be years.
And women getting abc… they give out abc all over the place, in the schools, etc.
Neither article showed any sort of racial bias.
The second article specifically stated that the tubal ligations were against the normal policy; the doctor said he got permission, and slightly fewer than 1/10th of the women got them. Not saying there was no overzealousness, but not a generally-approved situation. One or two doctors does not a movement make.
We kniw that Downs Syndrome is not hereditary, so I am not sure that aborting a a Downs Syndrome baby is actually eugenic, although it is horrifying. ETA: This is also not evidence of racism.
Interestingly, here is the definition Google offers as the first search result: the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics. Developed largely by Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, it fell into disfavor only after the perversion of its doctrines by the Nazis.
Now, that is certainly evidence that things are going awry generally.
And women getting abc… they give out abc all over the place, in the schools, etc.
Neither article showed any sort of racial bias.
The second article specifically stated that the tubal ligations were against the normal policy; the doctor said he got permission, and slightly fewer than 1/10th of the women got them. Not saying there was no overzealousness, but not a generally-approved situation. One or two doctors does not a movement make.
We kniw that Downs Syndrome is not hereditary, so I am not sure that aborting a a Downs Syndrome baby is actually eugenic, although it is horrifying. ETA: This is also not evidence of racism.
Interestingly, here is the definition Google offers as the first search result: the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics. Developed largely by Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, it fell into disfavor only after the perversion of its doctrines by the Nazis.
Now, that is certainly evidence that things are going awry generally.
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Annie
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I should clarify that I do believe that racism exists, even today, in the USA. It most certainly should not, it is disgraceful that it would still exist, but there it is.
I just don’t think there s an excuse for it, like evolution.
I just don’t think there s an excuse for it, like evolution.
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xNoOnex
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Perhaps you could actually read the rest of my post instead of just making a snippy comment after the first paragraph.
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Arkansan
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I did read the entirety of it. Just asserting that the bogeyman is on the rise doesn’t make it so.
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KMC
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I think racism exists, however, people (including me) tend to roll their eyes at current cries of racism. For example, I heard a talking head in a previous election cycle assert that white people not wanting to vote for Obama was racist. During this election cycle, there was some broad brushing of Trump voters as “white supremacists”. The overuse of the word “racist” detracts from real racism (like my friend’s son being called the “n word” during a youth basketball game. Or perhaps during my time in sales many moons ago, a contractor who turned down a multi-million dollar contract because it required minority labor content, and he “didn’t want to hire slackers”.)
Sometime ago, I’m not sure when, it seems the definition of racism changed. It used to be about one race believing in their superiority over another race, then it morphed to “only white people can be racist” because they control the power.
Seems to me “racism” or “racist” is a very subjective term nowadays without a real objective standard.
Sometime ago, I’m not sure when, it seems the definition of racism changed. It used to be about one race believing in their superiority over another race, then it morphed to “only white people can be racist” because they control the power.
Seems to me “racism” or “racist” is a very subjective term nowadays without a real objective standard.
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The judging of medical school applicants by race is fact.blackforest:
Affirmative action, Liberal education regarding history and derogatory talk of ‘white privilege’ are the obvious cases of racism today.
I would like to hear from others on this: Is this acceptable and in line with Catholic teaching?
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abucs
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I’d stick to the (proper) definition. The Left’s control of academia is responsible for trying to change the definition. It is truly like 1984. (The novel) where if you control language you control thought and if you control thought you can do horrible things.
To combat the attempt to redefine racism as ‘power’ I would suggest the following example.
The story of two men (let’s pick on men) black and white living next to each other both hating the races of the other. You can inset any manner of examples of hate to illustrate this. Even though they both think and act the same evil way only one of them is racist according to the Leftist academic redefinition.
Their lovely wives convince them to go to the Caribbean. According to the insanity of this new Leftist control of thought, as soon as the white guy sets foot in the new country his racism magically disappears (even though he still thinks exactly the same). On the other hand the black guy, when setting foot suddenly becomes racist without changing his views in the slightest.
Hence this new Leftist redefinition of racism is not primarily based on how one thinks.
Like many things on the Left it is an example of irrationality and racism itself which I would suggest for the good of western civilisation, those still on the Left start coming to terms with.
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blackforest
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We were discussing eugenics, not racism, although the two are often intertwined.
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Annie
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I’m confused: I thought the topic of the thread was racism?
blackforest
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An example of over-using (and therefore watering down) the R-word: X makes a comment. Y really has it in for X and is determined to bring X down. So Y spins the comment into something racist. I’d argue that a good example of this was a few years ago, when Ralph Nader made a literary reference to “Uncle Tom.” Article: The Truth About Ralph Nader and "Uncle Tom" | OpEdNews
The problem with this approach is that the label racist gets so stigmatized that actual racism gets swept under the carpet, or dismissed sleight-of-hand when it’s really happening.
Both overt and structural racism do exist. Racism is the public outcry against poor, dark-skinned asylees at the border but utter silence toward all of the affluent people overstaying their visas. It is the structurally racist elements of our society, such as how African-Americans suffer disproportionately from poverty, routine anti-Constitutional stop-and-frisk sessions, mass incarceration, violent schools, and police brutality.
The problem with this approach is that the label racist gets so stigmatized that actual racism gets swept under the carpet, or dismissed sleight-of-hand when it’s really happening.
Both overt and structural racism do exist. Racism is the public outcry against poor, dark-skinned asylees at the border but utter silence toward all of the affluent people overstaying their visas. It is the structurally racist elements of our society, such as how African-Americans suffer disproportionately from poverty, routine anti-Constitutional stop-and-frisk sessions, mass incarceration, violent schools, and police brutality.
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