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JanSobieskiIII
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The US is the least racist country I’ve ever seen. And I’ve been to 12 different countries on 4 continents.
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Racism, Neo-Nazism, and Catholic Teaching
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hmikell7
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The fact that you even ask this question tells me that you either live in a bubble, or you haven’t been paying attention. Yes, there is certainly such a thing as racism currently, and it is wide spread. Where are you from OP? I’m from the American Deep South originally, and I can tell you firsthand that racism is alive and well in the Southeast. Even among my own family.Is there currently such a thing as racism?
The fact that the Church has taken steps to address this very real problem is one of the (very many) reasons why I love the Catholic Church.
I’ll leave the question of Nazism to someone else to answer, though I am thoroughly convinced that it is making something of a comeback in recent years.
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It’s not about ruining someone’s day. It’s about the posts earlier that seem to imply that racism is a nonentity.Jingoism. Nationalism. Or maybe it is racism. Who knows, but are those words alone really enough to ruin someone’s day? If it is it shouldn’t be.
Racism exists. And further, it exists in me and is a weakness to be overcome. I’m just smart enough to not express it in public.
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catholic1seeks
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Of course racism is real. Look around in America, in particular, right now.
Why are we even debating this?
Why are we even debating this?
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Usagi
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Certainly we should not forget the past racial evils of the Democratic Party, nor the heroic efforts against racism of the Republican Party. They happened. The “solid South” was a thing for a reason.
But it is also true that today the most obvious racists (KKK members and proud neo-Nazis, for example) tend to throw their lot in with the Republicans and especially Trump. You may not want to believe that “the parties switched,” but certainly some of the members switched parties. Just as we should not erase the facts of the past to canonize or demonize a particular party, we should not ignore the facts of the present to insist that our party is always and forever on the side of right. If the GOP wants to be honored as the Party of Lincoln, it needs to clean house.
Of course, no one in their right mind claims that Democrats and liberals are innocent of racism — remember, one of the tenets of that academic definition of racism is that it infects everything, and you can benefit from and promote it without personally feeling acrimony toward people of other races (though there’s been plenty of that in the news as well). I know Trump voters, including my own father, so I do not subscribe to the idea that every Trump supporter or Republican is consciously racist … but look around at some of the people publicly and proudly on your team, and deal with them if you don’t want to be tainted by their actions.
But it is also true that today the most obvious racists (KKK members and proud neo-Nazis, for example) tend to throw their lot in with the Republicans and especially Trump. You may not want to believe that “the parties switched,” but certainly some of the members switched parties. Just as we should not erase the facts of the past to canonize or demonize a particular party, we should not ignore the facts of the present to insist that our party is always and forever on the side of right. If the GOP wants to be honored as the Party of Lincoln, it needs to clean house.
Of course, no one in their right mind claims that Democrats and liberals are innocent of racism — remember, one of the tenets of that academic definition of racism is that it infects everything, and you can benefit from and promote it without personally feeling acrimony toward people of other races (though there’s been plenty of that in the news as well). I know Trump voters, including my own father, so I do not subscribe to the idea that every Trump supporter or Republican is consciously racist … but look around at some of the people publicly and proudly on your team, and deal with them if you don’t want to be tainted by their actions.
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abucs
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Yes thank you.Certainly we should not forget the past racial evils of the Democratic Party, nor the heroic efforts against racism of the Republican Party. They happened. The “solid South” was a thing for a reason.
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KMC
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Please clarify this statement. It seems to imply Trump supporters or Republicans are unconsciously racist. I’m sure you didn’t mean that, right?I know Trump voters, including my own father, so I do not subscribe to the idea that every Trump supporter or Republican is consciously racist …
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Look I think this is wrong. Do the (incredibly small) number of white racists support the Republican Party over the Democratic Party. Yes.But it is also true that today the most obvious racists (KKK members and proud neo-Nazis, for example) tend to throw their lot in with the Republicans and especially Trump. You may not want to believe that “the parties switched,” but certainly some of the members switched parties. Just as we should not erase the facts of the past to canonize or demonize a particular party, we should not ignore the facts of the present to insist that our party is always and forever on the side of right. If the GOP wants to be honoured as the Party of Lincoln, it needs to clean house.
But does that make the Republican Party racist? Obviously not.
Do the (incredibly small) number of black and Hispanic racists support the Democratic Party? Yes.
But does that make the Democratic party racist? Well no it doesn’t but I believe legislating by race and talking race politics is still a problem for the Democratic Party.
The two questions regarding the Republican Party are obviously separate because they have been historically opposed to legislating by race and blaming a certain race for societies ills. It is the propaganda of the Left side of politics that tries to conflate racism and the party which some racists vote for. That itself is a driver of racism. This false narrative causes more division and racism than the small numbers of white racists who would vote Republican.
If one party supported slavery and Jim Crow and the Ku Klux Klan, using government and force to support this and another party today has a small amount of racists who vote for it, this in no sane way can be said that the two parties changed sides.
The truth is that the Democratic Party is one of identity politics and is now anti white. If you are a white racist and your only voting choice is between a mildly anti white party and the neutral party that always opposed racism then of course you are going to vote for the latter. This does not make the latter a racist party let alone take on the mantle of the historically racist Democratic Party.
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such as ? … and do the people you are going to mention have support from the Republican Party?but look around at some of the people publicly and proudly on your team, and deal with them if you don’t want to be tainted by their actions.
If so, in what way?
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Usagi
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I think most people would agree that things have improved (though being white I should probably let African-Americans answer that one) … but one thing that I and many other white people have had to wake up to in the last few years is that it hasn’t improved as much as we always thought. Before the Obama administration I would have told you that overt racism had been reduced to a few irrelevant idiots in basements, and that while there was still unconscious and structural racism we were working on this too. But something about Obama’s election brought out the extreme racists in numbers I had never imagined still existed, and they haven’t gone back to their holes under Trump. (Maybe he doesn’t want to appeal to racists, but they sure seem to think he’s their guy.) While I’m sure some here will say it was Obama’s fault for bringing up race and dividing a happily color-blind nation, I fear it was just a revelation of groups and ideas that always existed — and that African-Americans always knew about, but that we white folks did not believe in because we did not experience or see it regularly.
It’s not just racism. I thought women were doing far better as well, and apparently I am the only woman who doesn’t constantly experience low-level sexual harassment or worse, so I was ignorant of that too. But around the same time that we got both the racists and black Americans speaking out where the rest of us could hear them, both groups of horrifying misogynists and increasingly outspoken women started to let us know that we still had bigger problems there as well. It’s not fun to hear when we thought we were doing so much better, but it’s out there.
(That’s what people mean when they speak of racial or gender or class or ability “privilege,” by the way — not that individual white people or men or whatever always have it easy in absolute terms, but that there are real problems they completely miss because the problems don’t usually happen to them.)
It’s not just racism. I thought women were doing far better as well, and apparently I am the only woman who doesn’t constantly experience low-level sexual harassment or worse, so I was ignorant of that too. But around the same time that we got both the racists and black Americans speaking out where the rest of us could hear them, both groups of horrifying misogynists and increasingly outspoken women started to let us know that we still had bigger problems there as well. It’s not fun to hear when we thought we were doing so much better, but it’s out there.
(That’s what people mean when they speak of racial or gender or class or ability “privilege,” by the way — not that individual white people or men or whatever always have it easy in absolute terms, but that there are real problems they completely miss because the problems don’t usually happen to them.)
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xNoOnex
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Neither does pretending they pose absolutely no treat, since you’re so caught up in the culture war that you’re willing to ignore that there are people on your side who aren’t your friends, trying to seduce your children to ideologies that are against the very core of what you believe. Is everyone on the right nazis? No. But when they are brazen even to march and chant “blood and soil” and “the Jews will not replace us”, you can be sure they are also be sure they are going to places disenfranchised kids are.
But hey, those liberals are sure mean to Donald Trump and calling good protestors that just care about free speech (see above) nazis.
Stop being so caught up in the culture war your lose track of what’s important, or you’ll find out the next generation doesn’t care about your values and has a whole different set.
But hey, those liberals are sure mean to Donald Trump and calling good protestors that just care about free speech (see above) nazis.
Stop being so caught up in the culture war your lose track of what’s important, or you’ll find out the next generation doesn’t care about your values and has a whole different set.
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Lea101
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Did anyone watch the movie The Help? There was a scene where a racist woman insisted she wasn’t racist for wanting segregation because she didn’t support slavery.
Reminds me of current racists today. They don’t call themselves as such. They will say that they’re against racism. But the issue is that they’ll disregard anyone who actually call them out on their racist behaviors. They honestly don’t see it.
Reminds me of current racists today. They don’t call themselves as such. They will say that they’re against racism. But the issue is that they’ll disregard anyone who actually call them out on their racist behaviors. They honestly don’t see it.
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Jump4Joy
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What about my definition and progression of racism does not include hate? Where did I miss you?
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Jump4Joy
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People on here seem to think the Democratic party is equivalent to the AntiChrist. It is supposedly a deviant, slandering brainwashing party. If we were all properly educated, we would all apparently be conservative? I cannot trust the media, even my college textbooks, etc because they are liberally biased and slanted. I’m not that paranoid.
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PetraG
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You have to be joking. Racism is the Easter bunny?Is there currently such a thing as racism?
First of all, there are white supremacists who literally make it their lives work to preserve the white “race,” opposing marriages between whites and people with other physical characteristics. They literally say there is such a thing as a superior and an inferior race. By the most narrow definition of racist, then, there are racists in this country.
If there is no such thing as racial bias in the broader population, how do you explain this?
Are Emily and Greg More Employable Than Lakisha and Jamal?
A Field Experiment on Labor Market Discrimination
Marianne Bertrand
Sendhil Mullainathan
AMERICAN ECONOMIC REVIEW
VOL. 94, NO. 4, SEPTEMBER 2004
(pp. 991-1013)
Abstract
We study race in the labor market by sending fictitious resumes to help-wanted ads in Boston and Chicago newspapers. To manipulate perceived race, resumes are randomly assigned African-American- or White-sounding names. White names receive 50 percent more callbacks for interviews. Callbacks are also more responsive to resume quality for White names than for African-American ones. The racial gap is uniform across occupation, industry, and employer size. We also find little evidence that employers are inferring social class from the names. Differential treatment by race still appears to still be prominent in the U. S. labor market.
This is not an isolated result. When there are experiments concerning differential treatment based on race, it isn’t hard to show that people do not treat others the same regardless of skin color or perceived race.
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redbetta
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I don’t know about college textbooks, but, I’m a STEM major, so there isn’t really a way to slip bias into my textbooks. But, you’d have to be willfully ignorant to not see bias and dishonesty in the media. Especially considering the phony New York Times cover just happened weeks ago.
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PetraG
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Conversely (referring to my post above that of course there is racial bias in this country) it is not difficult to show academic bias against students whose cultural or political views differ from those of their instructors. “Agree with my politics” is not in the grading rubric and instructors will deny bias, but you’d better believe that students learn very quickly to figure out what biases their instructor has–whether conservative or liberal or what have you–and to steer clear of challenging those views. There are instructors who go out of their way to grade based on the quality of the argument rather than whether or not they agree with it, but students learn that is NOT the way to bet.. If we were all properly educated, we would all apparently be conservative? I cannot trust the media, even my college textbooks, etc because they are liberally biased and slanted. I’m not that paranoid.
People have biases, and our un-recognized biases can be the most deeply embedded.
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Nothing in the definition you gave indicates hatred.What about my definition and progression of racism does not include hate? Where did I miss you?
You have still not introduced any examples of “racism”.
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Arkansan
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Nice to see the true hatred in the hearts of leftists unmasked. Hurling insults at people because they want the wrong color to continue existing.First of all, there are white supremacists who literally make it their lives work to preserve the white “race,”
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No…I mean the kind of racists who keep a web site and they come out and say they believe there is such a thing as racial superiority in unvarnished terms. Really. There are literally people who openly say they want America to be all-white and who want white people to only date and marry other white people and have all-white babies. Not only that, they are into “eugenics,” too.Nice to see the true hatred in the hearts of leftists unmasked. Hurling insults at people because they want the wrong color to continue existing.
“We demand that the state aggressively strive for the continual betterment of the Aryan Race through positive eugenic measures especially by encouraging propagation of the highest racial elements within the Aryan Republic. We also demand that steps be taken to halt the spread of hereditary defects and racially impure blood within the gene pool of the racial community.”
http://www.americannaziparty.com/
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Is racially purging a goal for the ANP, or has the organization moved to a more peaceful path; and even be willing to ignore, so to say, other races if they could live away from them?
Answer: Very aptly put - IF there could be ONE ALL-WHITE nation on planet earth, where we Racialists could happily live - AWAY - from “others”, whom we would prefer not to co-exist beside…, we would move there. There are MANY all-Asian nations, there are MANY all-Negroid nations, there are MANY all-“brown” nations - hell, there is EVEN an ALL-JEW nation - but, there is no longer ONE ALL-WHITE nation, even Iceland is being forced to accept third-world “refugee’s” into its culture and gene-pool.
http://www.americannaziparty.com/faq.php
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What We Stand For
Race
The union of all Aryans in North America.
We believe that the Aryan population of this continent should be free, along with all the peoples of good will, to pursue its separate destiny according to the principles of self-determination and racial solidarity in a sovereign state representing its vital needs and interests. We must have an all-White National Socialist America; an America in which our children and our grandchildren will play and go to school with other White children; an America in which they will date and marry other young people of our own race; an America in which all their offspring will be beautiful, healthy White babies. We must have an America in which our cultural, social, business and political life is free of alien, Jewish influence; an America in which White people are the sole masters of our own destiny.
http://www.americannaziparty.com/platform/index.php
(PS How they got the idea that there aren’t any Christians or Muslims in the state of Israel, I have no idea. Israeli immigration laws do favor Jews and make it far more difficult for non-Jews to become citizens, but non-Jews are not barred from attaining citizenship.)
When blacks say they don’t want other blacks to be allowed to date white people, that’s racist. Of course it is.
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