Racism, Neo-Nazism, and Catholic Teaching

[jesucated]

Here is a starting point for you: Chapter 12. Gender, Sex, and Sexuality – Introduction to Sociology – 1st Canadian Edition

 

[kainosktisis]

Is there currently such a thing as racism? What about neo-Nazism? Are the bishops addressing a real problem or - to put it in the words of one CAF member - merely “the Easter bunny?”

From Wikipedia on Racism: “Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity. As of the 2000s, the use of the term “racism” does not easily fall under a single definition.[1]”

I think it certainly does exist. In the US our version of it is the KKK & other like-minded groups.

In Europe there are & continue to be attacks on Jews - even desecration of Jewish cemeteries.

When I was stationed in Germany, with the fall of the Wall, neo-Naziism was alive & well in certain parts of Germany - particularly from the East. Occasionally while riding the U-Bahn in Stuttgart, you might hear someone drunk beginning to utter the usual, “Ausländer, RAUS!” (“Foreigners, OUT!”) comments or see graffiti with such comments on display. Sometimes you’d see old buildings that remained from WW2 still standing, & it was obvious where the old swastikas had been chiseled out…but occasionally you might find one remaining in sight. You had to wonder if it was accidental or intentional to leave it there.

Once while stationed there, the Stars & Stripes had posted an article about a clash of some neo-Nazis protesting against US military personnel there in Europe. One particular woman was obnoxious, getting in someone face in a very threatening posture. There were 3 photos of the incident: the first depicting one group approaching the other; the 2nd of the woman in their faces (kind of a menacing look); the last picture, her falling backwards as she got punched out.

So…Yeah…It is alive & well.

Honestly sometimes I think what is mistaken for racism is a dislike or disapproval of another’s behaviors as they may be taken as non-conformist or disgusting to those of the US. People who come here to the US don’t always eat what we eat - or dress as we dress - or speak perfect English - or maintain the same kind of personal hygiene, sanitation, or table manners as we do…

 

[Jump4Joy]

We mentioned the struggle for women’s rights to vote. You mean women like Florence Nightingale. I’ll agree to that. I don’t remember learning too much about the how western civilization treated women fairly.

 

[jesucated]

First, you seem to be making assumptions about a course you didn’t take based off a very brief description. Second, you seem to be making assumptions about world history that don’t hold up to deeper scrutiny. I would commend this to you as a place to begin expanding your thinking: WOMEN IN WORLD HISTORY

 

[abucs]

I don’t remember learning too much about the how western civilization treated women fairly

So I am asking do you see a bias there?

Take capitalism for example which emerged in western civilisation and made women’s life much better and facilitated them into the workforce which was then pioneered across the world.

Again take the development of democracy that gradually was widened including women. Again this was promoted across the world.

Take the ending of world slavery which was a western civilisation initiative which had a great affect on women’s lives.

Shouldn’t these large issues be included in such a course for a balanced and comprehensive discussion regarding women and western civilisation?

 

[Brendan_64]

Do you think we could say that racism is a poor man’s snobbery?

No. Rich people can be racists too.

 

[abucs]

First, you seem to be making assumptions about a course you didn’t take based off a very brief description. Second, you seem to be making assumptions about world history that don’t hold up to deeper scrutiny. I would commend this to you as a place to begin expanding your thinking: WOMEN IN WORLD HISTORY

I am asking her view. She was the one doing the course.

You are fishing for an argument and trying to find one that is not there.

If you want to disagree with something I have said then please disagree with something I have said without the sophistry.

 

[jesucated]

Again, you are making assumptions based on a few scant statements.

I’m also curious to your credentials regarding determining what is “balanced and comprehensive.” Do you have some training in this particular field? Is there a reason we should, if we assumed all your assumptions to be true, value your assessment over that of the professor of the course under discussion?

 

[jesucated]

I’m dealing with your comments directly. Making the move from what one remembers to statements of bias as your a doing here is a huge leap.

 

[abucs]

Again, you are making assumptions based on a few scant statements.

I’m also curious to your credentials regarding determining what is “balanced and comprehensive.” Do you have some training in this particular field? Is there a reason we should, if we assumed all your assumptions to be true, value your assessment over that of the professor of the course under discussion?

If you disagree with something I have said, then do it. The sophistry of asking for credentials in is fishing for an argument that you cannot yet make.

 

[jesucated]

I suggested your understanding of how women have been treated in history and in western/world cultures seems to be built on a faulty understanding, and provided thousands of pages of reading via a link to back up my claim.

I’d be happy to discuss it more if you like.

 

[abucs]

I’m dealing with your comments directly. Making the move from what one remembers to statements of bias as your a doing here is a huge leap.

No. I asked what was studied and Joy said bad things against western civilisation. I probed her more fully and she said that she could not remember anything she learned regarding western civilisation being fair to women.

I then asked if she did not see the bias in that.

It is interesting that you want to insert yourself into the discussion without specifics of anything I actually said.

 

[jesucated]

It’s a public discussion on a public forum, not a private discussion. There is no inserting involved.

And that a person does not remember something about a class is not sufficient reason to accuse the professor of conducting a bias class.

 

[PetraG]

Do you really think that ancient humans divided themselves by race?

Exactly. Based on Papua New Guinea, ancient humans divided themselves by family.
Before the development of the city-state, xenophobia was a survival mechanism. Your survival chances were far better if you gave anyone you didn’t know a very wide berth. People who looked very different were subjects of both intense wariness and intense curiosity. That is how people are hard-wired.

 

[PetraG]

Do you think we could say that racism is a poor man’s snobbery?

I think it is a force that keeps poor people who are all in the same boat from looking out for their interests as a single (and therefore more influential) group. Manipulating less-advantaged people into treating each other with suspicion is one way to keep the less-advantaged from looking at the more-advantaged that way.

Consider, for instance, what would happen if all people who use very local dialects–talk as if they are from the projects or from down in the holler or down in the barrio or from whatever other little hamlet you can think of or what have you–all took equal offense when the use of anyone else’s local dialect was automatically taken as a sign of low intelligence?

 

[abucs]

It’s a public discussion on a public forum, not a private discussion. There is no inserting involved.

And that a person does not remember something about a class is not sufficient reason to accuse the professor of conducting a bias class.

Well of course you have inserted yourself in the discussion. That is a fact. Yes it is a public forum. You can do that. No one says you can’t. But it is a fact that you inserted yourself into a discussion.

Your sophistry is not very good. No one accused any professor of bias. I am asking her if she cannot remember any positive comment about western civilisation in a course about western civilisation and women if she did not see that as bias. You then inserted yourself into the discussion.

The question was given her experiences of the course she described did she not see a bias there? The question was specific to her and her experiences with the class that she outlined during our discussion.

 

[KMC]

I’ve never heard of that until recently TBH. As for the first amendment, why some people expect the American government to respect or honor Christian values on any issue?

The government should not be expected to “respect” or “honor” Christian values, but the government should not infringe on the free exercise…forcing nuns to violate their conscious, which is infringement on the free exercise of their religion, goes against the constitution

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

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[Jump4Joy]

It come across as racist. Discouraging someone from marrying someone based on their race alone. I can understand maybe you think they would too culturally different, they’ll face discrimination, etc. But if you’re afraid your children will be stained, inferior, etc it is racist. Or if they think someone marrying a different race means they are betraying their own or they are marrying the enemy that is unacceptable. I think it is also unacceptable to believe you’re marrying up by dating interracial.

 

[deMontfort]

Of course not. It’s another Marxist college class given by a Marxist professor. It’s typical of Western universities and sadly it’s been that way since the '60s.

 

[Jump4Joy]

Why is it bad for society explain? What is wrong with biracial children? You ignored my other points on how it is indeed racist to avoid dating someone because you fear your children will be stained or you think it’s a betrayal of your own race or marry the enemy.