Raising of Hands During the Recitation of 'Our Father' during mass

[Tayaban]

Here in the Philippines the holding of hands during the Pater Noster started quiet differently.
It started when martial law was declared and everyone started to hold hands together during the Pater Noster to show solidarity and unity. The practice was probably introduced by protestant charismatics during the time.

Well it’s pretty much stuck and became a norm here in the Philippines, including the parish I serve as an altar boy. Everytime the Pater Noster is recited I always keep my hands folded.

 

[Samuel63]

I have usually always lifted up my hands during the mass when it comes to the recitation of the ‘Our Father’ sometimes joining them with other people in the church. I have seen it becoming less common and I was surprised when so little in the congregation lifted their hands when I was having my first communion.
What is happening with this tradition ?
I grew up always doing it

You grew up with liturgical abuse. Get a copy of The General Instruction of The Roman Missal (GIRM) and the exhortation Redemptionis Sacramentum. Read these! Know then, your parish has been under the guidance of “Sister Social Justice”, “Ms. Inclusive Language”, “Mrs. Ecumenism”, and Father Smiley.

You can tell what is going on by counting how many times a sermon is delivered decrying the practice of contraception. Check the length of the line for Sacrament of Penance too. If these are short or missing, you can bet you are in a rebellious parish that is not friendly to the Magisterium of the church. It is best to stay there, learn the faith, and start fighting the spriritual battle. Just give your good hard-earned money to a faithful organization and limit parish donations to a token $5/week. This will get the message across.

Get connected to www.realcatholictv.com, www.mileschriste.org, and other near-perfect organizations to learn the real faith. Avoid learning the faith from inside this parish or diocese though. Get a copy of the book “The Faith Explained” by Leo Trese. It is a great primer.

 

[EasterJoy]

You grew up with liturgical abuse. Get a copy of The General Instruction of The Roman Missal (GIRM) and the exhortation Redemptionis Sacramentum. Read these! Know then, your parish has been under the guidance of “Sister Social Justice”, “Ms. Inclusive Language”, “Mrs. Ecumenism”, and Father Smiley.

You can tell what is going on by counting how many times a sermon is delivered decrying the practice of contraception. Check the length of the line for Sacrament of Penance too. If these are short or missing, you can bet you are in a rebellious parish that is not friendly to the Magisterium of the church. It is best to stay there, learn the faith, and start fighting the spriritual battle. Just give your good hard-earned money to a faithful organization and limit parish donations to a token $5/week. This will get the message across.

Get connected to www.realcatholictv.com, www.mileschriste.org, and other near-perfect organizations to learn the real faith. Avoid learning the faith from inside this parish or diocese though. Get a copy of the book “The Faith Explained” by Leo Trese. It is a great primer.

Hmmm. I think that to the list of misled innovations that could be added to the caricatures captured by Sister Social Justice, Ms. Inclusive Language, Mrs. Ecumenism, and Father Smiley, we can add Mr. Vote at the Collection Basket. In what part of the catechism or in what apostolic letter or in what encyclical did you find that, pray tell?

It is a spiritual peril to consider the blessings of God, including those obtained by the cooperation of your hard work, as something given to you by Heaven to be used as leverage for “getting a message across” to the clergy. That is a traditional attitude toward the precept of the Church that requires us to support the work of the Church? Heaven forbid! This “pocket book voting” method for registering displeasure to the heirarchy is an American innovation invented by laypersons, and not a good one.

I am very sure that the GIRM has no specifications concerning how often homilies must treat the subject of contraception. There is no specification that the entirety of the catechism has to be hit in a year of homilies, or in five years of homilies. To say that some particular subject must be treated would be to pretend that the entirety of Catholic adult education is to be delivered at Mass! That is nonsense! I’m really sure that *Redemptionis Sacramentum *doesn’t counsel people who don’t think the liturgies in their diocese are according to Hoyle to go anywhere but to Rome, either.

It is not a contribution to the Church to make stuff up or to pretend that you have the authority to send members of the faithful anywhere but to the Church for their facts. Forget “near-perfect” organizations. The Magesterium teaches the true faith. If your bishop isn’t teaching it, don’t tell people to go elsewhere. Tell them to go to Rome, and ask what’s up.

 

[FatHead]

It is a spiritual peril to consider the blessings of God, including those obtained by the cooperation of your hard work, as something given to you by Heaven to be used as leverage for “getting a message across” to the clergy. That is a traditional attitude toward the precept of the Church that requires us to support the work of the Church? Heaven forbid! This “pocket book voting” method for registering displeasure to the heirarchy is an American innovation invented by laypersons, and not a good one.

do you suggest actively supporting parishes that are directly disobidient to the church?

 

[EasterJoy]

do you suggest actively supporting parishes that are directly disobidient to the church?

What on earth does it matter what I suggest? There are channels for these things. The voting box collection box isn’t one of them.

Can. 221 §1. The Christian faithful can legitimately vindicate and defend the rights which they possess in the Church in the competent ecclesiastical forum according to the norm of law.

§2. If they are summoned to a trial by a competent authority, the Christian faithful also have the right to be judged according to the prescripts of the law applied with equity.

§3. The Christian faithful have the right not to be punished with canonical penalties except according to the norm of law.

Can. 222 §1. The Christian faithful are obliged to assist with the needs of the Church so that the Church has what is necessary for divine worship, for the works of the apostolate and of charity, and for the decent support of ministers.