Ralphy's Questions for Catholics

[Tomster]

You are obviously refering to 1 Cor:11:29. This is refering to eating the Lord’s Supper with unjudged sin upon us, we do not discern the Lord’s body which was broken to put it away. Ralph

What I am referring to is that if the Eucharist were merely a symbol, as many Protestants claim, then a Christian who received the Eucharist unworthily could not be guilty of such a sin. But if the Eucharist really is the body and blood of Christ under the appearances of the bread and wine, as the Catholic Church teaches, then one would be in fact committing a grave sacrilege by receiving it while in the state of mortal sin or when disbelieving what the Church teaches about the Real Presence.

 

[Tomster]

St. Paul expressly teaches that Christians must believe not only what he wrote but what he preached. “Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word or epistle” (2 Thessalonians 2:14).

I guess, according to you Ralphy, St. Paul is a liar and a teacher of false doctrine. If that be the case, it would wise of you to stop quoting him in the future.

Ralphy,

Wasn’t 1 Corinthians 11:29 written by St. Paul?

I need a response sometime today.

 

[ralphy]

Ralphy, why do you think the “Word of God” is only the WRITTEN word? Do you not realize that GOD is the Father AND The Son AND The Holy Spirit? It doesn’t just say the “Word of Christ”…it is the TRIUNE GOD.

The WORD of God is the most powerful force in existence. It is GOD Himself, it is how the entire universe was created. How did the earth come to be? God “SAID”…etc etc. And it WAS.

That’s the WORD…God’s very essence. Now…do you really believe ALL of God’s essence is consolidated down to a Book? Not a chance.

So, everywhere you read in the Bible, and every time you yourself say the “Word of God”, take a moment and really think about what that means. Don’t confine God to a Book, ralphy.

He didn’t.

God Bless

The Roman catholic church has changed so many things to accomodate their own beliefs, they certainly have another gospel. Purgatory, praying for the dead, praying to the saints, praying to dead loved ones,tabernacle in the church,confession to a priest,priests can forgive sins,mass for the dead, kissing statues,salvation by baptism, receiving Christ in the eucharist,holy water, a “holy” pope. Shall I keep going on? Man, how many things out side of God’s word. Obviously another gospel made up for themselves. Ralph

 

[CentralFLJames]

What is cannibalism? Ralph

Where you a cannibal when you suckled at your mother’s breast?

James

 

[ralphy]

Where you a cannibal when you suckled at your mother’s breast?

James

No. Ralph

 

[CentralFLJames]

Well Ralphy you are cannibalising a lot of people’s lives in this forum who are desperately trying to help you see. But I am now convinced that you are not sincere and are playing some kind of strange “rope-a-dope” game and are fronting for some other agenda. You are being passively aggressive and just reverting back to the old script like a broken record over and over ad-nauseum. It’s time to give up the charade and get real - this is not a game Ralphy. You know in your heart we are giving you the truth but you are not really here to learn but to attempt to discredit the Catholic Church. I now consider you a troll.

One day you will be made to account for why you did not avail yourself of this opportunity to know the truth and will lack any excuse. Obstinate commitment to ignoring the truth removes the excuse of invincible ignorance.

Good Day,
James

 

[ralphy]

Ralphy,

Wasn’t 1 Corinthians 11:29 written by St. Paul?

I need a response sometime today.

Yes it was Paul who said it, did he pen it, (which is really beside the point). Where can I find the things that he said outside of scripture, I assume you have that somewhere. Ralph

 

[cazayoux]

Tradition is the word of man. Ralph

I agree … since Jesus is also a man.

Let’s see what scripture says about ‘tradition’.
(funny how I’m the one that pulls out scripture and you never discuss it)

I have many verses, but let’s start with just one.

2 Thes 2:14
Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

Do you contend that all tradition is condemned in scripture?

michel

 

[Tomster]

The Roman catholic church has changed so many things to accomodate their own beliefs, they certainly have another gospel. Purgatory, praying for the dead, praying to the saints, praying to dead loved ones,tabernacle in the church,confession to a priest,priests can forgive sins,mass for the dead, kissing statues,salvation by baptism, receiving Christ in the eucharist,holy water, a “holy” pope. Shall I keep going on? Man, how many things out side of God’s word. Obviously another gospel made up for themselves. Ralph

Sorry pal. Everything you have stated above has been proved. You really have a need to rehash your tired traditions in the face of Catholic Truth don’t you? What is your purpose? Are you expecting some unsuspecting Catholic to find this thread and suddenly agree with you? You cannot even answer the questions we put to you. Your theology is barren, (i.e. fruitless).

 

[Tomster]

Well Ralphy you are cannibalising a lot of people’s lives in this forum who are desperately trying to help you see. But I am now convinced that you are not sincere and are playing some kind of strange “rope-a-dope” game and are fronting for some other agenda. You are being passively aggressive and just reverting back to the old script like a broken record over and over ad-nauseum. It’s time to give up the charade and get real - this is not a game Ralphy. You know in your heart we are giving you the truth but you are not really here to learn but to attempt to discredit the Catholic Church. I now consider you a troll.

One day you will be made to account for why you did not avail yourself of this opportunity to know the truth and will lack any excuse. Obstinate commitment to ignoring the truth removes the excuse of invincible ignorance.

Good Day,
James

Amen, my brother!

 

[ralphy]

I agree … since Jesus is also a man.

Let’s see what scripture says about ‘tradition’.
(funny how I’m the one that pulls out scripture and you never discuss it)

I have many verses, but let’s start with just one.

2 Thes 2:14
Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

Do you contend that all tradition is condemned in scripture?

michel

Tradition (in my opinion) is something that is not written and can change totally as it is passed along. Word or epistle to me is something written down. Ralph

 

[SteveGC]

The Roman catholic church has changed so many things to accomodate their own beliefs, they certainly have another gospel. Purgatory, praying for the dead, praying to the saints, praying to dead loved ones,tabernacle in the church,confession to a priest,priests can forgive sins,mass for the dead, kissing statues,salvation by baptism, receiving Christ in the eucharist,holy water, a “holy” pope. Shall I keep going on? Man, how many things out side of God’s word. Obviously another gospel made up for themselves. Ralph

That REALLY addressed my post there, ralphy. Thanks. I offer you the true definition of the Word of God, ask you to reflect on it, ask you a question about it…and your response…

“The Catholic Church is blah blah blah another gospel* blah blah blah.*”

Seriously, if that’s going to be your reply to something I take real time to offer this thread, just skip my posts altogether, ralphy. I mean, really…don’t bother.

 

[ralphy]

That REALLY addressed my post there, ralphy. Thanks. I offer you the true definition of the Word of God, ask you to reflect on it, ask you a question about it…and your response…

“The Catholic Church is blah blah blah another gospel* blah blah blah.*”

Seriously, if that’s going to be your reply to something I take real time to offer this thread, just skip my posts altogether, ralphy. I mean, really…don’t bother.

My friend, I was in the Roman catholic church for 43 yrs,and like they say, I have been there and done that. Ralph

 

[ralphy]

Sorry pal. Everything you have stated above has been proved. You really have a need to rehash your tired traditions in the face of Catholic Truth don’t you? What is your purpose? Are you expecting some unsuspecting Catholic to find this thread and suddenly agree with you? You cannot even answer the questions we put to you. Your theology is barren, (i.e. fruitless).

My theology comes from the Bible and that is what a I quote. You will have to discuss the things you don’t believe with God Ralph

 

[SteveGC]

My friend, I was in the Roman catholic church for 43 yrs,and like they say, I have been there and done that. Ralph

We know, ralphy. We know. You’ve been there…done that. Again, what’s that got to do with my post?

How about taking the time to actually address the posts on here without resorting to your anti-Catholic cut-and-paste scripts.

The Catholic Church…you’ve been there and done that

Addressing our posts…you’ve been here and HAVEN’T done that

 

[ralphy]

We know, ralphy. We know. You’ve been there…done that. Again, what’s that got to do with my post?

How about taking the time to actually address the posts on here without resorting to your anti-Catholic cut-and-paste scripts.

The Catholic Church…you’ve been there and done that

Addressing our posts…you’ve been here and HAVEN’T done that

Do you have a question? Ralph

 

[SteveGC]

Do you have a question? Ralph

I had questions, and other remarks I wanted you to reflect on…and respond to. Here it is again.

From SteveGC:
Ralphy, why do you think the “Word of God” is only the WRITTEN word? Do you not realize that GOD is the Father AND The Son AND The Holy Spirit? It doesn’t just say the “Word of Christ”…it is the TRIUNE GOD.

The WORD of God is the most powerful force in existence. It is GOD Himself, it is how the entire universe was created. How did the earth come to be? “God SAID”… And it WAS.

That’s the WORD…God’s very essence. **Now…do you really believe ALL of God’s essence is consolidated down to a Book? **Not a chance.

So, everywhere you read in the Bible, and every time you yourself say the “Word of God”, take a moment and really think about what that means. Don’t confine God to a Book, ralphy.

He didn’t.

God Bless

 

[Kotton]

My friend, I was in the Roman catholic church for 43 yrs,and like they say, I have been there and done that. Ralph

And learned nothing, in fact you are still in that rut, ignoring the multiple issues presented by some very knowledgable people here. Ah, kid, the time will come when these very facts will slap you in the head-but too late.

Kotton

 

[cazayoux]

The Roman catholic church has changed so many things to accomodate their own beliefs, they certainly have another gospel. Purgatory, praying for the dead, praying to the saints, praying to dead loved ones,tabernacle in the church,confession to a priest,priests can forgive sins,mass for the dead, kissing statues,salvation by baptism, receiving Christ in the eucharist,holy water, a “holy” pope. Shall I keep going on? Man, how many things out side of God’s word. Obviously another gospel made up for themselves. Ralph

… let’s tackle these.

Purgatory
we can see in scripture that there is a state that is not heaven nor hell where someone can still be forgiven. A place where one can suffer loss (not in heaven) and still be saved (not in hell).

praying for the dead, praying to the saints, praying to dead loved ones
Scripture tells us there is ONE body in Christ, not one in heaven and one on earth. If we are to pray for each other and ask others to pray for us why does this stop when someone is in heaven. This ONE body of Christ … nothing can separate it from Christ (as scripture tells us). Do you believe death can separate a Christian from Christ?
Note that ‘pray to’ does not mean worship as you might think it does. It only means to ‘ask of’. A line from Shrek… “I pray thee take this favor as a sign of my love for thee.”

tabernacle in the church
I admit this is a new objection I haven’t seen before. Why the objection?

confession to a priest,priests can forgive sins
Scripture shows us that Jesus gave men power (to heal, to drive out demons) … and even to forgive sins. (John 20:21-23)

kissing statues
I guess you think this means we worship the statue … not so.
Consider a widow who kisses the photo of the dead husband. Does she think the photo IS her husband … or does the photo remind her of a love one.
That’s all statues are for Catholics … like photos so that we can remember the person. nothing more.

salvation by baptism
uhhh
1 Pet 3:21 “Baptism, …, now saves you”
You act like we make this stuff up.

receiving Christ in the eucharist
John 6:53 “unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you”.
At the last supper he holds the bread and says “this is my body, which will be given up for you”. He equates the bread to the body which will be given up for us. Catholics believe that His body on the cross was his actual, physical body and not a symbol of his body.

holy water
Not sure where you get the idea that something cannot be blessed or holy.

a “holy” pope
You added ‘holy’ for some reason.
We do not believe the pope is sinless, if that is what you are implying.
We absolutely believe that Jesus told Peter singularly to feed his sheep.
You tell me what the significance of God (Jesus) changing Simon’s name to Peter.
We also believe that the apostles held a position (bishopric in the KJV, Acts 1). Judas was gone and his office remained and needed to be filled. We see Paul sending Timothy to ordain men to teach and ordain others.

By all means … keep going on.
Let’s get through these.
I’ve barely scratched the scriptural surface with these.
If you are actually interested, let’s hit them one by one.

Speaking of a new gospel … Let’s look at Sola Scriptura. A tradition of men, that negates the Word of God.
I’ve got 21 reasons to reject Sola Scriptura.

1. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura is not taught anywhere in the Bible
2. The Bible Indicates that In Addition to the Written Word, we are to accept Oral Tradition
3. The Bible Calls the Church and not the Bible the “Pillar and Ground of the Truth.”
4. Christ tells us to submit to the Authority of the Church
   5 Scripture itself states that it is insufficient of itself as a teacher, but rather needs an interpreter.
5. The first Christians did not have a Bible
6. The Church produced the Bible not vice-versa
7. The idea of the Scripture’s Authority existing apart from the authority of the Teacher Church is utterly foreign to the Early Church.
8. Heresiarchs and heretical movements based their doctrines on Scripture interpreted apart from Tradition and the Magisterium.
9. The Canon of the Bible was not settled until the 4th Century.
10. An “Extra-Biblical” Authority Identified the Canon of the Bible.
11. The Belief that Scripture is “Self-Authenticating” Does Not Hold Up under Examination
12. None of the Original Biblical Manuscripts is Extant.
13. The Biblical Manuscripts Contain Thousands of Variations
14. There Are Hundreds of Bible Versions.
15. The Bible Was Not Available to Individual Believers until the 15th Century.
16. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Did Not Exist Prior to the 14th Century.
17. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Produces Bad Fruit, Namely, Division and Disunity.
18. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Does Not Allow for a Final, Definitive Interpretation of any given Passage of Scripture.
19. The Protestant Bible Is Missing 7 Entire Books
20. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Had its Source in Luther’s Own Emotional Problems.

michel

 

[cazayoux]

Tradition (in my opinion) is something that is not written and can change totally as it is passed along. Word or epistle to me is something written down. Ralph

If it is the Word of God … it cannot change … whether oral or written.
The table of contents in your bible is not considered scripture, why do you believe it?

michel