Ralphy's Questions for Catholics

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It must have bothered you to say the "word of God’, for the Roman catholics rely so heavily on tradition. Follow the word. Ralph
Please Ralphy. Catholics rely heavily on Scriptures, Sacred Tradition and the infallible teachings of the Magisterium of the Church.

And, as been said so many times and in many different ways to you, all you really have to rely on is the Bible and your own fallible interpretation of it and your own man-made traditions.

Be careful that you don’t fall Ralphy!
 
Catholics make a distinction between the first part of John 6:26-51, wherein Christ speaks of himself figuratively as the Bread of Heaven, a spiritual food to be received by faith, and the second part verses 51 to 59, wherein He speaks literally of His Flesh and Blood as real food, and a real drink. In the first part the food is of the present, in the second of the future; there it is given by the Father, here by the Redeemer Himself; there it is simply called “bread,” here the “Flesh of the Son of Man”; there our Lord speaks only of bread, here of His Flesh and Blood; there, it is true, He calls himself “bread,” but he avoids the expression “to eat Me,” where one would expect to meet it; here He speaks both of “eating Me” and of “eating My Flesh and drinking My Blood”.

A careful study of the whole chapter calls for a literal interpretation of the words “to eat the Flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood” (John 6:54). Christ makes a clear cut distinction between three kinds of bread:
  1. the bread or manna of the desert (Exod. 16:15 and John 6:49), given by Moses to the Jews in the past to nourish the body
  2. the Bread of Heaven or the Bread of Life (John 6: 32,35), Christ Himself, given by the Father in the present to the Jews as an object of faith
  3. the Bread of Life, Christ Himself in the Eucharist, to be given in the future by Christ for the life of the world (John 6:52)
Again a figurative interpretation is impossible, according to the rules of language. If a figure of speech has a definite meaning, we cannot use it in a new sense, merely for the purposes of controversy.

To eat one’s flesh was a figure of among the Jews of old but it always means to do a person some serious injury, especially by calumny or by false accusation. Is it not absurd to imagine that our Lord would promise eternal life and a glorious resurrection to those who calumniated Him?
Today this is called cannibalism,right? Ralph
 
What is cannibalism? Ralph
🙂

In cannibalism one has to die to feed others.
This is very different than eating the flesh and drinking the blood of the son of man, where the host (Jesus) is not diminished in any way.

michel
 
It must have bothered you to say the "word of God’, for the Roman catholics rely so heavily on tradition. Follow the word. Ralph
🙂 … Don’t you know … even the bible itself is part of our Catholic Tradition.
So yes … since we rely SO heavily on scripture (as you have seen from my posts), we ARE relying on Tradition.

You say ‘tradition’ like it is a curse word.
Scripture does not condemn all tradition. Time to read the whole bible, Ralphy, not just the verse references you cut and paste for these conversations.

michel
 
It must have bothered you to say the "word of God’, for the Roman catholics rely so heavily on tradition. Follow the word. Ralph
more on my use of the term ‘Word of God’.
In the ark of the covenant is held the 10 commandments … which is the Word of God.
As well … Jesus IS the Word of God (made flesh).
Catholic believe in the Word of God (written and oral).

So we have four areas considered ‘Word of God’. Catholic believe in ALL of the Word of God.

michel
 
🙂

In cannibalism one has to die to feed others.
This is very different than eating the flesh and drinking the blood of the son of man, where the host (Jesus) is not diminished in any way.

michel
Thank you very much.

Now maybe Ralphy can explain to us why, according to St. Paul, those who receive the Body and Blood of the Lord unworthily “eat and drink judgment” on themselves and are “guilty of the body and blood of the Lord” - which is euphemism for “murder.”?
 
🙂 … Don’t you know … even the bible itself is part of our Catholic Tradition.
So yes … since we rely SO heavily on scripture (as you have seen from my posts), we ARE relying on Tradition.

You say ‘tradition’ like it is a curse word.
Scripture does not condemn all tradition. Time to read the whole bible, Ralphy, not just the verse references you cut and paste for these conversations.

michel
Our judgement will come rfom the word of God,not tradition. Ralph
 
more on my use of the term ‘Word of God’.
In the ark of the covenant is held the 10 commandments … which is the Word of God.
As well … Jesus IS the Word of God (made flesh).
Catholic believe in the Word of God (written and oral).

So we have four areas considered ‘Word of God’. Catholic believe in ALL of the Word of God.

michel
Tradition is the word of man. Ralph
 
🙂 … Don’t you know … even the bible itself is part of our Catholic Tradition.
So yes … since we rely SO heavily on scripture (as you have seen from my posts), we ARE relying on Tradition.

You say ‘tradition’ like it is a curse word.
Scripture does not condemn all tradition. Time to read the whole bible, Ralphy, not just the verse references you cut and paste for these conversations.

michel
I don’t think Ralphy has made that connection yet. But then, maybe he has. But then again, if admits it, he realizes his position is defeated. He has really painted himself into a corner.
 
Thank you very much.

Now maybe Ralphy can explain to us why, according to St. Paul, those who receive the Body and Blood of the Lord unworthily “eat and drink judgment” on themselves and are “guilty of the body and blood of the Lord” - which is euphemism for “murder.”?
Please answer the question.
 
Our judgement will come rfom the word of God,not tradition. Ralph
Oh how you fight to not see.
The first writings of the new testament were not even written for at least ten years after Jesus’ death.
The last writing of the new testament (Revelation of John) wasn’t written until about 95 A.D.
Agreement on which writings were or were not inspired of the Holy Spirit was not decided until the fourth century.
Do you not see that the early church did not operate by scripture alone, it operated on oral tradition.

Paul condemns traditions of men … not carte blanche, but the traditions of men that negate the Word of God.
Not all tradition is condemned.

Wednesday night bible study … a tradition of men, but a good one, and does not negate the Word of God.

Jesus didn’t tell the apostles to go, write down, and hand out … he told them to preach!! (oral tradition)

Look at the gospel accounts … only two of the writers were apostles. The other two wrote their gospel accounts based on what they were taught orally by Peter and Paul.

We see oral tradition ALL OVER the new testament.

You ignore scripture, history, and logic to say that all tradition is condemned.

Scripture **Alone **… a doctrine of men, a bad one, that negates the Word of God.

Read your bible! Pray for eyes to see.

michel
 
Tradition is the word of man. Ralph
St. Paul expressly teaches that Christians must believe not only what he wrote but what he preached. “Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word or epistle” (2 Thessalonians 2:14).

I guess, according to you Ralphy, St. Paul is a liar and a teacher of false doctrine. If that be the case, it would wise of you to stop quoting him in the future.
 
Our judgement will come rfom the word of God,not tradition. Ralph
Ralphy, why do you think the “Word of God” is only the WRITTEN word? Do you not realize that GOD is the Father AND The Son AND The Holy Spirit? It doesn’t just say the “Word of Christ”…it is the TRIUNE GOD.

The WORD of God is the most powerful force in existence. It is GOD Himself, it is how the entire universe was created. How did the earth come to be? “God SAID”… And it WAS.

That’s the WORD…God’s very essence. Now…do you really believe ALL of God’s essence is consolidated down to a Book? Not a chance.

So, everywhere you read in the Bible, and every time you yourself say the “Word of God”, take a moment and really think about what that means. Don’t confine God to a Book, ralphy.

He didn’t.

God Bless
 
Please answer the question.
You are obviously refering to 1 Cor:11:29. This is refering to eating the Lord’s Supper with unjudged sin upon us, we do not discern the Lord’s body which was broken to put it away. Ralph
 
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