Ralphy's Questions for Catholics

[agbasinger]

Hey Ralphy, 2Tim 3:16, has nothing to do with proving that God inspired men to write the bible. Paul is writing to timothy, telling how to teach and his final charge is to use scripture, BECAUSE (insert verse 2 tim 3:16). You really need to stop taking verses out and using them to fit your words. READ THE WHOLE THING.

Timothy was kind of like a second generation priest. He was getting ready to take over several churches and Paul was writing him to tell him how to do it. Ralphy, I will pray for you, because you really have no understanding of the word of God and how it works. You need to read the whole chapter not just a verse, you need to read the whole book, not just a chapter. And you need to read it understanding the times it was written. DID YOU KNOW That the who numbering system that we have in the bible did not exist back then?! did you know that the headings before the chapters did not exist?! Shocking, I know to find out that the Bible that we have no did not exist when Paul was writing the letters to his Churches. Shocking, I know, that the very bible that you hold in your hand was made by… CATHOLICS! So if it were not for the Benedictine monks huddled in dark Catacombs escaping the persecution of Nero and all the other evil emperors, Writing down and translating the word of God, you would not have a bible. So get over yourself.

Stop Cherry picking verses and read the whole word of God.

This is the problem that Luther ran into when he started to openly criticize the Church. Many people left the Church (which I am not convinced that he wanted anyone to leave the Church) and the Protestant denominations then began to split further and further, until you get to the bottom of the issue- personal authority. If you go into a Baptist church today and really press the issue of the priesthood of all believers, you will find that each person is empowered to interpret Scripture independently- that is, if person A believes Jesus did not choose his death on the cross freely but person B does, the conflict is a matter of personal interpretation (interestingly enough, Protestants often cite prominent preachers and theologians, who often barrow for Catholic dogma or theology).

Bottom line: The Catholic Church came first, assembled the Bible, protected it, and has authority to use it. If you are outside of the Church, you only work with the remnants of our Faith and personal interpretation.

 

[CentralFLJames]

Do you believe what God says? Do you believe the Bible? Do you trust what God says is true? Do you even have a Bible? Ralph

Ralphy, here is a parable quote out of one of the early bible books that was popular in the early church. This comes from the book called The Shepherd of Hermas and was what some Christians were teaching each other as God’s word before Catholic Pope Damasus put an end to it and declared it not fully inspired of God. Even some of the early Church fathers thought it was inspired (Irenaeus and Tertullian) and so it was originally bound with the New Testament in the Codex Sinaiticus. It originally was listed between the Acts of the Apostles and the Acts of Paul in the stichometrical list of the Codex Claromontanus.

Is this verse God’s word Ralphy? Can you tell us why it is or is not God’s word? Who decides? Do the commercial bible printers decide what is God’s word and what should go into your bible? Is what goes into the bible only what is popular with sinners and what people are buying (should we choose our church denomination this way too - what is easiest) ? How do we know the bible publishers did not all conspire to remove the hard teachings of Christ and sell only the easy things to make more money selling bibles or removed some unpopular books (like the deuterocanonicals) to save printing costs and reduce the weight of shipping them?
The Shepherd of Hermas : Parable 3 (Translated by J. B. Lightfoot):

1[52]:1 He showed me many trees which had no leaves, but they seemed to me to be, as it were, withered; for they were all alike. And he saith to me; “Seest thou these trees?” “I see them, Sir,” I say, “they are all alike, and are withered.” He answered and said to me; “These trees that thou seest are they that dwell in this world.”

1[52]:2 “Wherefore then, Sir,” say I, “are they as if they were withered, and alike?” “Because,” saith he, "neither the righteous are distinguishable, nor the sinners in this world, but they are alike. For this world is winter to the righteous, and they are not distinguishable, as they dwell with the sinners.

1[52]:3 For as in the winter the trees, having shed their leaves, are alike, and are not distinguishable, which are withered, and which alive, so also in this world neither the just nor the sinners are distinguishable, but they are all alike." *

Full Text Here: earlychristianwritings.com/text/shepherd-lightfoot.html

What say you Ralph? Is the above parable God’s word? Why is this book not in your bible?

James

 

[cazayoux]

Dah! God says ALL scripture is inspired, unless you discount 2Tim as not being scripture. Maybe you are just being funny, I am really not sure. Ralph

Not being funny.
The Koran says it is inspired, but neither you nor I believe it.

What is your criteria for knowing what it inspired scripture?
HOW do you know that 2 Tim is inspired and is rightfully part of the new testament?

As well … 2 Tim was not the last writing of the new testament. Paul did not know that John would right the Apocalypse in 95AD so could not be calling it ‘scripture’ in 2 Tim.
The ‘scripture’ mentioned in 2 Tim is the old testament (that Timothy knew since childhood).

The main question here that I need you to answer …
HOW do you know that 2 Tim is inspired and is rightfully part of the new testament?

michel

 

[allhers]

Dah! God says ALL scripture is inspired… Ralph

God also inspired those Catholic men to compile, and bind which of those books would become the Bible.
.

 

[juliamajor]

Do you believe what God says? Do you believe the Bible? Do you trust what God says is true? Do you even have a Bible? Ralph

Yes, yes, yes! And I have a biblical library of several hundred books. But why should we trust you about what you think God is saying? Are you His arbiter, His mouthpiece? Is your personal interpretation the only correct one?And if everyone is his own interpretor of scripture how do you have the nerve to state someone else’s is wrong? You have a hit a run type of debating . It’s not effective and it’s not as clever as you think it is… It’s merely annoying. If you think your teaching by annoying and being negative than you’ve clearly have the wrong idea…
Philippians 4:1-9

 

[paul_c]

God said in His word that men who were inspired by the Holy Spirit wrote the bible, I think that is very good authority. I would probably stand on Gods authority rather than on pope Damasus’s authority, wouldn’t you. Ralph

Ralph, this is extremely naive on your part. Where does God say which Books were written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit?

 

[jlhargus]

Dah! God says ALL scripture is inspired, unless you discount 2Tim as not being scripture. Maybe you are just being funny, I am really not sure. Ralph

JL: If you have a king James bible then you do not have ALL the scriptures of the OT. They were in the original 1611 KJV and removed about 1649. Had Luther had his way your NT would be missing the book of James, Hebrews and Revelations. By what authority did they remove these scriptures?

 

[paul_c]

Originally Posted by ralphy
I am here to inject scripture into this conversation as I have said all along. I believe that scripture is what we are to follow and nothing else, as we will be judged in the end by the Word of god. Ralph

Ralph, Do you now understand that you original supposition that Catholics don’t read or understand scritpure was incorrect. Surely you see that there are literally dozens of Catholic amateur apologists who have provided tremendous scriptural insight to you (that mostly you have ignored). We are lavishing tremendous attention on you for the benefit of your soul. Please open you heart to the truth. We understand if you need to save face. But please consider what has been said to you. Please also note that despite 900 posts on this thread, there is no indication that you have made even one person come over to your viewpoint but several have said you had the opposite effect on them, strenghtening their faith in the Catholic view. If you were really speaking for God through the Holy Spirit don’t you think you would made some headway. After all , the truth is the truth. Perhaps you will entertain the possibility that the Truth is as the Catholic Church teaches and thats why the Holy Spirit has led you here: to hear the truth…

 

[AwGusTeen]

JL: If you have a king James bible then you do not have ALL the scriptures of the OT. They were in the original 1611 KJV and removed about 1649. Had Luther had his way your NT would be missing the book of James, Hebrews and Revelations. By what authority did they remove these scriptures?

Yes - and the 1st Ed. KJV had MORE books than it’s Catholic counterpart. 80 (count 'em) 80 books.

 

[Tomster]

Since it is Ralphy’s aim to convert Catholics to his own brand Fundamentalism on this message board, I have another question for him which I suspect he will never address.

Ralphy, I am going to give you two simple sentences. One is true, the other is false. Please choose the one you believe to be true. All you have to do is answer either “a” or “b”.

a. Jesus is a human person

             or

b. Jesus is not a human person.

These are straight forward statements. If you care to give the reasons why you chose either “a” or “b” that would be a plus.

Thank you very much!

Ralphy, answer please!

 

[ralphy]

Ralphy, answer please!

Jesus is fully God and fully man. Ralph

 

[Shannon9791]

Jesus is fully God and fully man. Ralph

What about my question, post 910?

 

[ralphy]

What about my question, post 910?

Remind me again what that question was. Ralph

 

[twb1621]

Maybe you haven’t noticed all my posts so I will enlarge the font for you;

Ralph, honestly, are you going to keep hiding from the scripture verses I have repeatedly ask you to respond to in regard to proving your false interpretations of the bible? Those interpretations you try to mislead people with? Its one thing for you to have false beliefs ralph, but there is an extremely serious matter of you proclaiming these false interpretations to others who may not know enough to walk away from it. Your misguiding other souls ralph. If nothing else, you need to reconsider what you attest to and stop making such declarations until you learn the truth and you are far far from it.

 

[Shannon9791]

So you’re saying it takes something other than faith to “complete your mandate?” You can’t say yes to that question, even though you just did. Ralphy, do you see where your illogical position takes you? You’ve backed yourself into a corner you can’t get out of and you have to either admit you’re wrong and really take a look at everything you’ve been saying, or just keep up with the nonsense. What we’ve all been telling you here is that Catholicism, the Church Jesus Christ founded, the Church that gave you the scriptures you cling to so dearly, is the ONLY logical choice when it come to Christianity. Please, please, please listen to what we’re trying to say here, your soul depends on it, and we all care enough about you to try and get you to see that.

I’ll just re post it for you.

 

[twb1621]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ralphy

Jesus said;
“…Keep watch over yourselves and over the whole flock of which the holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, in which you tend the church of God that he acquired with his own blood. I know that after my departure savage wolves will come among you, and they will not spare the flock. And from your own group, men will come forward perverting the truth to draw the disciples away after them."

Ralphy, In what you have chosen to do and are doing according to your own words in earlier posts, have you considered you have become one of those who abandoned the Bride of Christ to become one of the “perverters of truth”, as Jesus Himself referred?
consider it Ralphy,

 

[fbl9]

, as we will be judged in the end by the Word of god. Ralph

Second epistle of St.Paul to Timothy3;16"For all scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching,for reproving, for correcting, for instructing in justice:"
Ralphy did you ever notice your favorite phrase"we will judged by the word of God" is lacking in the above quote…by which part of the word of God will one be judged by,the old tesament or the new testament?

 

[allhers]

You know ralphy, you also said you had a really old Catholic Bible, I do too and in the front of mine it says that statement about it being the inspired word of God, you know, before it gets to the book, chapters and verses. So… I guess you like to agree with us Catholics when it suits YOU.

Seems to be fairly typical among those who leave and go off in search with their “itching ears.” (anyone got a smiley that can scratch its ears?)
Here’s the closest one I can find and it says whackadoo after it, (close enough)
:whackadoo:

 

[Tomster]

Jesus is fully God and fully man. Ralph

Ralph, that’s not what I asked. “a” or “b” please.

 

[paul_c]

Ralph, that’s not what I asked. “a” or “b” please.

I don’t know what you are getting at, but in his defence, Ralph answered the same way I would have. Jesus is fully God and fully man…