Ralphy's Questions for Catholics

[CentralFLJames]

I pretty well gave you scripture for all the email I have sent to you. Which is more than you did for me. Your religion is mostly based on Roman catholic teaching which does not have too much scripture attached…Raph

What email have you sent me? You have not sent me any email…

How can you say the Catholic teaching does not have much scripture attached? Have you actually looked at the catechism? Its crammed full of foot notes referencing scriptures. There is no so called church on the planet that has more scriptural teachings than the Catholic Church ralph. Catholics live and breath scripture - the bible is Catholic and was put together by us 2000 years ago. LOL, don’t you think that the people who actually knew Jesus and the apostles and who wrote and assembled the bible and taught it for 2000 years might know a bit more than new Christian cults?

James

 

[Church_Militant]

The dead sea scrolls will verify the Bible. Ralph

If that is true then why do you not accept the Deuterocanonicals as scripture since the DSS contains the Hebrew texts of them that was the only valid question as to their inclusion by St. Jerome, and Luther’s only even remotely valid excuse for excluding them?

I pretty well gave you scripture for all the email I have sent to you. Which is more than you did for me. Your religion is mostly based on Roman catholic teaching which does not have too much scripture attached…Raph

That’s odd, there is more scriptural support for Catholic belief than for Sola Scriptura and yet far too many n-Cs accept it as valid doctrine when it is not.

You have yet to substantiate your allegation that scripture does not support Catholic teaching…and yet I and my Catholic brethren have buried most every n-C opponent in scripture only to see you guys do just as you have just now done and “raise the bar” by stating essentially, “It is not enough”.

Coming out of n-C communities into the Catholic faith I am of the experienced opinion that the statement you have just made is grossly specious.

 

[Church_Militant]

I cannot offer a bible verse yet,but I will work on it. Ralph

:dts:

 

[ralphy]

What email have you sent me? You have not sent me any email…

How can you say the Catholic teaching does not have much scripture attached? Have you actually looked at the catechism? Its crammed full of foot notes referencing scriptures. There is no so called church on the planet that has more scriptural teachings than the Catholic Church ralph. Catholics live and breath scripture - the bible is Catholic and was put together by us 2000 years ago. LOL, don’t you think that the people who actually knew Jesus and the apostles and who wrote and assembled the bible and taught it for 2000 years might know a bit more than new Christian cults?

James

I will get a catechism from my catholic friend down the road and will look forward to seeing the scripture verse supporting the things the Roman catholics say. Thanks, Ralph

 

[CentralFLJames]

I will get a catechism from my catholic friend down the road and will look forward to seeing the scripture verse supporting the things the Roman catholics say. Thanks, Ralph

I’ll make it easy for you and give you a free link to one here: Catechism of the Catholic Church

And here is an example of a typical teaching of the catechism and its many scriptural references. The “CCC” means Catholic Church Catechism and that is the paragraph # for easy reference:

See all those small numbers like 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46 intermixed in the Catholic teaching? Those are called footnotes and they reference the scriptures that are indicated by that number underneath the paragraph.

Catholic teaching has massive scripture references - as well as many references to church council meeting decisions and saintly writings that go all the way back even to the first and 2nd century!

God is Love

CCC 218 In the course of its history, Israel was able to discover that God had only one reason to reveal himself to them, a single motive for choosing them from among all peoples as his special possession: his sheer gratuitous love.38 And thanks to the prophets Israel understood that it was again out of love that God never stopped saving them and pardoning their unfaithfulness and sins.39

38 Cf. Dt 4:37; 7:8; 10:15; 39 Cf. Is 43:1-7; Hos 2.

CCC 219 God’s love for Israel is compared to a father’s love for his son. His love for his people is stronger than a mother’s for her children. God loves his people more than a bridegroom his beloved; his love will be victorious over even the worst infidelities and will extend to his most precious gift: "God so loved the world that he gave his only Son."40

**40 **Jn 3:16; cf. Hos 11:1; Is 49:14-15; 62 :4-5; Ezek 16; Hos 11

CCC 220 God’s love is “everlasting”:41 "For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you."42 Through Jeremiah, God declares to his people, "I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you."43

41 Is 54:8.; 42 Is 54: 10; cf. 54:8.; 43 Jer 31:3.

CCC221 But St. John goes even further when he affirms that “God is love”:44 God’s very being is love. By sending his only Son and the Spirit of Love in the fullness of time, God has revealed his innermost secret:45 God himself is an eternal exchange of love, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and he has destined us to share in that exchange.

44 l Jn 4:8, 16.; 45 Cf. I Cor 2:7-16; Eph 3:9-12.;46 Job 36:26.

James

 

[ralphy]

I’ll make it easy for you and give you a free link to one here: Catechism of the Catholic Church

And here is an example of a typical teaching of the catechism and its many scriptural references. The “CCC” means Catholic Church Catechism and that is the paragraph # for easy reference:

See all those small numbers like 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46 intermixed in the Catholic teaching? Those are called footnotes and they reference the scriptures that are indicated by that number underneath the paragraph.

Catholic teaching has massive scripture references - as well as many references to church council meeting decisions and saintly writings that go all the way back even to the first and 2nd century!

God is Love

CCC 218 In the course of its history, Israel was able to discover that God had only one reason to reveal himself to them, a single motive for choosing them from among all peoples as his special possession: his sheer gratuitous love.38 And thanks to the prophets Israel understood that it was again out of love that God never stopped saving them and pardoning their unfaithfulness and sins.39

38 Cf. Dt 4:37; 7:8; 10:15; 39 Cf. Is 43:1-7; Hos 2.

CCC 219 God’s love for Israel is compared to a father’s love for his son. His love for his people is stronger than a mother’s for her children. God loves his people more than a bridegroom his beloved; his love will be victorious over even the worst infidelities and will extend to his most precious gift: "God so loved the world that he gave his only Son."40

**40 **Jn 3:16; cf. Hos 11:1; Is 49:14-15; 62 :4-5; Ezek 16; Hos 11

CCC 220 God’s love is “everlasting”:41 "For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you."42 Through Jeremiah, God declares to his people, "I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you."43

41 Is 54:8.; 42 Is 54: 10; cf. 54:8.; 43 Jer 31:3.

CCC221 But St. John goes even further when he affirms that “God is love”:44 God’s very being is love. By sending his only Son and the Spirit of Love in the fullness of time, God has revealed his innermost secret:45 God himself is an eternal exchange of love, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and he has destined us to share in that exchange.

44 l Jn 4:8, 16.; 45 Cf. I Cor 2:7-16; Eph 3:9-12.;46 Job 36:26.

James

Thank you. Ralph

 

[Church_Militant]

[SIGN]Well done James![/SIGN]

 

[cazayoux]

What God wanted us to see, He made sure it was in written from, something that could not be changed, the Bible, the very word of God. Ralph

but HOW?
HOW did he make sure it was in written form?
HOW did he make sure we know what writing is and is not inspired by the Holy Spirit?

The answer to the HOW … is the CHURCH that He established which is the pillar and bulwark of the truth.

You tell me your understanding of HOW God did this.

michel

Ralphy … still wanting you to answer the questions of “HOW”.

michel

 

[ralphy]

Ralphy … still wanting you to answer the questions of “HOW”.

michel

First of all, I am not sure that you know who belongs to God’s church. I don’t question God how He does things, I am the clay. His written word came from people who were inspired by the holy Spirit to write these words. There were many things that He said , which were not written down. We do not need anymore info outside the Bible to know what God wants us to do. Everything else that is outside of scripture is no required. Ralph

 

[cazayoux]

First of all, I am not sure that you know who belongs to God’s church. I don’t question God how He does things, I am the clay. His written word came from people who were inspired by the holy Spirit to write these words. There were many things that He said , which were not written down. We do not need anymore info outside the Bible to know what God wants us to do. Everything else that is outside of scripture is no required. Ralph

but HOW do we know what writings are inspired and which are not.

There were many, many writings from the first century and later that are not a part of our new testament that many thought were inspired.
In fact, a few of the books that are in our new testament, many though were NOT inspired.
Who was right?
HOW was it settled?

Surely the inspired writings were just that, inspired the moment they were written. However, there was MUCH disagreement on which writings were and were not inspired.

The KJV didn’t fall from the sky.
The table of contents in your KJV is not considered part of the inspired writings.
HOW do you know that you have the exact right new testament? You might be missing an inspired writing from it. You might have an included writing that is not inspired.

You and the bible alone theology ignores history and the HOW of ‘HOW did God give us His Word?’

michel

 

[fbl9]

The gospel written by St.Matthew5;14"You are the light of the world…"Jesus said this to the apostles
The gospel written by

 

[ralphy]

but HOW do we know what writings are inspired and which are not.

There were many, many writings from the first century and later that are not a part of our new testament that many thought were inspired.
In fact, a few of the books that are in our new testament, many though were NOT inspired.
Who was right?
HOW was it settled?

Surely the inspired writings were just that, inspired the moment they were written. However, there was MUCH disagreement on which writings were and were not inspired.

The KJV didn’t fall from the sky.
The table of contents in your KJV is not considered part of the inspired writings.
HOW do you know that you have the exact right new testament? You might be missing an inspired writing from it. You might have an included writing that is not inspired.

You and the bible alone theology ignores history and the HOW of ‘HOW did God give us His Word?’

michel

I am not sure what you mean when you say that “the table of contents in your KJV is not considered part of the inspired writings”, do you mean some of the books?
I can only go by what I read in the bible and rely on the Holy Spirit to direct me. Ralph

 

[CentralFLJames]

I am not sure what you mean when you say that “the table of contents in your KJV is not considered part of the inspired writings”, do you mean some of the books?
I can only go by what I read in the bible and rely on the Holy Spirit to direct me. Ralph

Is all the publisher’s name, date, list of translators names, library of congress number, and the publisher’s foreword statement and acknowledgements and the table of contents part of the bible Ralphy? Many bible also have a family history for you to record your parents and grandparents and children etc. in them. Many bibles also have biblical maps in the back and other notes etc. Clearly none of these things was available in Jesus and the apostle’s time but they most definately appear “in the bible”. Are these things all part of sacred scripture?

How about the verse numbers and chapter numbers and the titles given to the books like “The ACTS of the Apostles” which sounds very much like a works based book. These things are all IN the bible but are they part of the bible? Are they inspired? Who decides?

What does your bible have and which version is it? How do you even know it is a “bible”?

James

 

[cazayoux]

I am not sure what you mean when you say that “the table of contents in your KJV is not considered part of the inspired writings”, do you mean some of the books?
I can only go by what I read in the bible and rely on the Holy Spirit to direct me. Ralph

no … i mean the page telling you what books are in the bible.
That text is not part of the inspired writings.
Even the titles of the books are not part of the inspired writings.

For example.
When I turn to the Gospel according to Matthew I see this.

The Gospel According to Matthew

**The Genealogy of Jesus Christ
**1 The book of the …

The inspired text starts with what is in red, not before.
Not the book title, not the section header, not even the verse number.

How do you KNOW the Gospel of Mark is actually from Mark? The inspired text does not tell you. You actually rely on TRADITION to tell you that the gospel of Mark is from Mark.

michel

 

[sodak]

Do you have a question? Ralph

Sure! Posts 92 and 333 for starters.

Someone did just that, maybe they didn’t take the bible itself and change the words in the book, but they sure added many things to fit between the lines to suit "their " religion.They are called ROMAN catholics. Ralph

Catholics didn’t “change” the book, they wrote it!

 

[jmcrae]

I am not sure what you mean when you say that “the table of contents in your KJV is not considered part of the inspired writings”, do you mean some of the books?
I can only go by what I read in the bible and rely on the Holy Spirit to direct me. Ralph

The page where it is written, “Genesis, page 1, Exodus, page 106,” and so on - that page is not part of the inspired content of the Bible. It was added 400 years later, by the Catholic Church, because Pope Innocent I made an Infallible Declaration to say which books belong in the Bible.

 

[ralphy]

Is all the publisher’s name, date, list of translators names, library of congress number, and the publisher’s foreword statement and acknowledgements and the table of contents part of the bible Ralphy? Many bible also have a family history for you to record your parents and grandparents and children etc. in them. Many bibles also have biblical maps in the back and other notes etc. Clearly none of these things was available in Jesus and the apostle’s time but they most definately appear “in the bible”. Are these things all part of sacred scripture?

How about the verse numbers and chapter numbers and the titles given to the books like “The ACTS of the Apostles” which sounds very much like a works based book. These things are all IN the bible but are they part of the bible? Are they inspired? Who decides?

What does your bible have and which version is it? How do you even know it is a “bible”?

James

You pretty well described one of my bibles,the Roman catholic one which I purchased in 1957. It has a lot of names in it, mostly cardinals, reverend’s, and other people. Also a great number of pictures. The chapters and numbers were added later as an easy way to find info in the bible. Is this bible inspired?

 

[ralphy]

The page where it is written, “Genesis, page 1, Exodus, page 106,” and so on - that page is not part of the inspired content of the Bible. It was added 400 years later, by the Catholic Church, because Pope Innocent I made an Infallible Declaration to say which books belong in the Bible.

Infallible? That word must have come from his own mouth, as God never would have said that anyone was infallible.Ralph

 

[ralphy]

The page where it is written, “Genesis, page 1, Exodus, page 106,” and so on - that page is not part of the inspired content of the Bible. It was added 400 years later, by the Catholic Church, because Pope Innocent I made an Infallible Declaration to say which books belong in the Bible.

You Roman catholics like to use that word "infallible’ to describe the popes. Who came up with that word, only God is infallible. Ralph

 

[jmcrae]

You Roman catholics like to use that word "infallible’ to describe the popes. Who came up with that word, only God is infallible. Ralph

If Pope Innocent’s declaration of the contents of the Bible was not infallible, then we can only guess at what belongs in the Bible - there is no way to be certain that we have gotten the right books in there.

What do you think - can we trust that Pope Innocent got the right books in there?