Ralphy's Questions for Catholics

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So in fact you are saying that peter and God were equal,right? I wonder who said that Peter was the first pope, was it God,was it Peter himself, or just maybe the Roman catholic chuch said that,hmmm, I wonder. Do you know? Ralph
Ralph, you claim to have been a practicing Catholic for 43 years, yet you seem to understand nothing of what the Church teaches. I’m starting to question the credibility of your statement. I would think that someone that practiced their faith would know it backward and forward and would never ask these kinds of questions, even if they left the faith. Come clean. Either you were not really a Catholic, or you are asking these questions for effect since as a previously practicing Catholic, you would know these answers.

Assuming the first case, Peter and God are clearly not equal. The point is that Peter could speak what God wanted him to speak, must like the prophets of the old testament were mouthpeices for God. Jesus said that Peter was the first leader of the church (you know the term Pope doesn’t matter, its the position that is important. I know we have already discussed scripture where Jesus said that Peter was the rock on which he would build his Church and that he was given the keys to heaven. We also know from Scripture that Peter took a leadership role beginning at Pentacost, where he spoke for the rest of the Apostles. No reputable scripture scholar denies Peter’s role as the first leader of the church, whether they be Catholic or Protestant. It is very clear.
 
Guess Ralphy has a question. How do Roman catholics get to heaven. Ralph
Well Ralph, this question tells more than it asks. Well informed and well catechised Catholics know that we should not think of heaven as if was a cracker-jack prize to be won. That’s not what heaven is all about at all and that kind of attitude will work against us and conspire to keep us out of heaven. The focus needs to be on searching deep within one’s soul through daily prayer and by God’s grace received by going to mass and using the sacraments and by reading and pondering scripture and contemplating God’s works so we can come into a love relationship with God. This is what its all about Ralphy. If we don’t know God in His 3 persons and have a relationship with Him before we die - we missed out and never knew God and will not enter into eternal beatitude with Him.

So you see my friend we have a limited time in this life to come to know, love and serve God and become His friend and let Him transform our nature from primitive fallen human beings into higher ordered divine-human beings in the image of Christ Himself. This is the form of spiritual life that is able to pass from this material life into the eternal abode to be with God. It’s all about love Ralph – its not about “salvation phrases” and “raptures” and salvation-formulas and super-rigid rules and “being saved” and all this nonsence. It’s all about loving God and entering into a relationship with Him and The Catholic Church knows how best to do that. But as far as rules and dogmas go - these are what do empower us to have the highest freedom in our relationship with God. In other words - we need to know how not to get in trouble since we humans are given amazing liberties and freedoms - so much so that we can lose our relationship if we are foolish. If one reads their bible they will see that there are a long list of things we must do to “be perfect” and to follow Christ. But God wants us to be perfect and not everyone will be perfect - some will some won’t. But God calls us all to be all we can be. Thus the Church has taught the surest and safest path to let us attain our highest spiritual growth.

Here are the minimums we need to do Ralph to enter into an eternal relationship with God.

We need to love God above all else in every way our talents let us express that (thought, word, deed & actions) because to much that is given much is expected.

We need to love our neighbor as ourselves and be fair and just and forgive each other.

We need to accept Jesus as the Son of God and be baptised in Him.

We need to pray daily with quality time. And we should feel a desire to want to do good things for God and our neighbor - not so we can “earn” our way into heaven but because when somone loves somone we should need to want to express that affection. God gave us life and that is reason enough to give our life back to God and let Him make us all that we can be.

We need to worship with The Church as a community of One Faith and One Baptism and One God since it is not good for man to be alone (we are social creatures) and we are all somehow mystically linked together as brothers and sisters (as if in the same spiritual womb struggling to emerge). We are asked to worship together and help each other just as we would if we were all family - because we are.

We need to show mercy to all - even our enemies because God has shown us Mercy in permitting us to make ourselves right with God by way of Christ’s atonement.

We must repent of all our grave sins committed after we dedicate ourselves to God since these rupture our souls and we are literally “disgraced” and grace is the only thing we carry into the next life without it we die. We must also seek forgivness of these sins and the surest way to do that is to get absolved of our sins by an apostolic priest who has the authority to forgive sins in Jesus’ name - Christ works through the priest. If we do not go through an apostolic priest then we might be forgiven if we can fully repent and show absolutely sure sorrow for offending God - but to gain this we must be sorry for offending God and not just for fear of going to hell. This is called perfect contrition and only God can give the grace to do this. Thus sacramental confession is so very important.

We must eat of the body and blood of Christ as commanded. God has His reasons for giving us this precious gift. For one thing is demonstrates who is in communion with His Church and gives every person an opportunity to reflect if they are worthy to receive and if not - to abstain and go to confession. It is also a source of incredible grace that God gives us each time we receive in proportion to our own inner preparation and disposition.

I mentioned that we must be charitable - but especially to the poor, downtrodden, widows and the lowest of the low in our society who are in desperate need of all help we can give.

We must press ourselves to grow in grace and knowledge and especially seek to carry the hardships and burdens God gives us joyfully - our own personal crosses. We should offer every suffrage we are given to God as if a prayer since Jesus carried his pain and suffering all the way up the hill of Calvary.

We must also TRUST God - Trust in His Love and Trust in His Mercy - and not be worried to the point where wory becomes a kind of self-worship.

These are the basics Ralph. If one does these thing through Love (not through an attitude of reward) then they will be on the fast-path to sainthood and be able to be in a very high quality love relationship with God. These are the one’s who God will pull into His love on their deaths - and that is enough reward itself.

James
 
Guess Ralphy has a question. How do Roman catholics get to heaven. Ralph
tell us Ralphy…in your eyes we can’t because we aren’t even born again (meaning those of us who have been baptised when we were infants),in your “well” developed theology…

Chew on thsi for a bit…in the gospel written by St.Matthew 5:14 we have Jesus saying that the apostles are the light of the world.,in the gospel written by St.John 3:19-20 we have Jesus telling us that evil men do not bring their sins into the light…so by not bring one’s sins to the light one is an evil doer so Ralphy how do you bring your sins to the light of Christ if you hide by yourself and confess your sins to the ceiling??
 
we have no idea what effect we may be having on Ralphy or any other lurker.
So the discussion isn’t just for Ralphy’s eyes.
… and even if we never see any good come from this conversation ourselves … we have to have certainty that God is using it for something.
it’s okay that we don’t see all the results … we plant the seeds.

i tell my sons in baseball … you throw that ball to the first basemen as hard as you can. it’s your job to throw … it’s his job to catch. you do your job.

we are doing our job … we’ll let the Holy Spirit do His.

🙂

michel
GREAT baseball analogy, I keep telling my son to do the same thing! I’ve been following this thread every night and it has been very educational. So yes, the purpose of these discussions aren’t just for one person (in this case ralphy). If it has been Ralphy’s pupose to draw people away from the Catholic faith it has actually had the opposite effect on me.

I look forward to reading about Ralphy’s impressions of the catechism book he’s going to borrow from his Catholic friend.

lux
 
Originally Posted by jmcrae
… Luke 10:16.
Jesus (God) is speaking to Peter (who is the first Pope) and He says, “Whoever hears you (“you” meaning Peter, the Pope) hears Me (“Me” meaning Himself - God)”.
So in fact you are saying that peter and God were equal,right? I wonder who said that Peter was the first pope, was it God,was it Peter himself, or just maybe the Roman catholic chuch said that,hmmm, I wonder. Do you know? Ralph
this is another example of reading what you want to.

What this means is not that Peter = Jesus … but that Peter’s MESSAGE = Jesus’ MESSAGE … the thing being HEARD is equated, not the people.

It is Jesus that made Peter the shepherd in his stead, when He told him to feed and tend His sheep.

That’s all the pope is … a steward … not the master.

michel
 
So in fact you are saying that peter and God were equal,right? I wonder who said that Peter was the first pope, was it God,was it Peter himself, or just maybe the Roman catholic chuch said that,hmmm, I wonder. Do you know? Ralph
It’s right there in the Bible. Jesus is going to be using Peter’s voice, to speak to the people.

Do you believe the Bible, Ralphy? 🤷

History shows us that Peter then passed that on to his successors - including Pope Benedict XVI. 🙂
 
tell us Ralphy…in your eyes we can’t because we aren’t even born again (meaning those of us who have been baptised when we were infants),in your “well” developed theology…

Chew on thsi for a bit…in the gospel written by St.Matthew 5:14 we have Jesus saying that the apostles are the light of the world.,in the gospel written by St.John 3:19-20 we have Jesus telling us that evil men do not bring their sins into the light…so by not bring one’s sins to the light one is an evil doer so Ralphy how do you bring your sins to the light of Christ if you hide by yourself and confess your sins to the ceiling??
By the way, Christ was refering to Himself when He said that the apostles were the light of the world, His light was shining through them. You obviously don’t believe what Jesus said about “no one comes to the Father but by Me”. We must go through JESUS only, thats very plainly said ,and very plain to understand. I confess my sins directly to God, remember the curtain was torn from the top to the bottom when Christ died on the cross
at Calvary, so now we do not need a priest to go into the Holy of Holy’s, we can go directly to the Throne of grace. Ralph
 
By the way, Christ was refering to Himself when He said that the apostles were the light of the world, His light was shining through them.
Right! So, in order to see Christ’s Light today, we must look at today’s Successors of the Apostles - the Pope and his Bishops. 🙂
 
Right! So, in order to see Christ’s Light today, we must look at today’s Successors of the Apostles - the Pope and his Bishops. 🙂
I am afraid there are a lot of “priests” in the Roman catholic that don’t show much light, in fact some of them may even be put in jail after the Roman catholic church stops hiding them and the police pick them up. Ralph
 
By the way, Christ was refering to Himself when He said that the apostles were the light of the world, His light was shining through them. You obviously don’t believe what Jesus said about “no one comes to the Father but by Me”. We must go through JESUS only, thats very plainly said ,and very plain to understand. I confess my sins directly to God, remember the curtain was torn from the top to the bottom when Christ died on the cross
at Calvary, so now we do not need a priest to go into the Holy of Holy’s, we can go directly to the Throne of grace. Ralph
Amen … that no one comes to the Father but by Jesus!!
Catholics believe this!!

You ignore scripture to go directly to God for your sins.

John 20:21-23

WHY oh WHY did Jesus give mere men the power to forgive sins?

I don’t think your theology has an answer for this.
Will you listen to ALL of Jesus … or just the parts that fit your theology?
It’s a big choice … all or some?

michel
 
I am afraid there are a lot of “priests” in the Roman catholic that don’t show much light, in fact some of them may even be put in jail after the Roman catholic church stops hiding them and the police pick them up. Ralph
:rolleyes:

Okay - does Christ’s light shine through you, Ralphy? I assume you will say “Yes.”

Would you say that you are completely without sin? That no one could look at you when you are having a bad day (like if you hit your thumb with a hammer and said an angry-sounding word), and say, “Well, if that’s the light of Christ, I want nothing to do with it”? 🤷

Yes, there were certain few priests who did terrible things. They have been caught. Some of them committed suicide, and the rest of those who were actually guilty of anything are, in fact, in jail - and the most notorious one was actually murdered in jail.

The good that came out of that is that we have much stronger screening processes in place, now. The psychological testing for priests is way more rigorous than it used to be.
 
Amen … that no one comes to the Father but by Jesus!!
Catholics believe this!!

You ignore scripture to go directly to God for your sins.

John 20:21-23

WHY oh WHY did Jesus give mere men the power to forgive sins?

I don’t think your theology has an answer for this.
Will you listen to ALL of Jesus … or just the parts that fit your theology?
It’s a big choice … all or some?

michel
That era is over, Christ is risen and is sitting on the right hand of the Father to intercede for us. A direct route. Roman catholics go through everyone, so called saints that they have conjured up, dead people (my sister in law even prayed to my dead mother), can you imagine. The apostles are dead,but Christ did not leave us alone, He sent the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us in the way we should go. I thank Him for that. Ralph
 
That era is over, Christ is risen and is sitting on the right hand of the Father to intercede for us. A direct route. Roman catholics go through everyone, so called saints that they have conjured up, dead people (my sister in law even prayed to my dead mother), can you imagine. The apostles are dead,but Christ did not leave us alone, He sent the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us in the way we should go. I thank Him for that. Ralph
Again, Ralphy, your feeble theology will not allow you to consider the doctrine of the Communion of Saints.

For as much time as you claim to spend reading the Bible it is evident that it has done you little good. You must take the template off of the Bible your Bible-alone pastor has given you and disregard his own oral tradition. It is apparent to all that you are allowing your ears to be tickled by a false shepherd.
 
Again, Ralphy, your feeble theology will not allow you to consider the doctrine of the Communion of Saints.

For as much time as you claim to spend reading the Bible it is evident that it has done you little good. You must take the template off of the Bible your Bible-alone pastor has given you and disregard his own oral tradition. It is apparent to all that you are allowing your ears to be tickled by a false shepherd.
Can I assume that the doctrine of the “communion of saints” is Roman catholic driven? Ralph
 
Can I assume that the doctrine of the “communion of saints” is Roman catholic driven? Ralph
The “Communion of Saints” is the idea that Jesus died on the Cross for our sins, and because of that, we can go to Heaven (that is to say, we can become Saints) when we die. 🙂

This is why it is possible to ask those who have gone before us (who are not dead, but are in fact even more alive than we are) to pray to God for us (since they are actuallly sitting right next to Him, right now). 👍
 
The “Communion of Saints” is the idea that Jesus died on the Cross for our sins, and because of that, we can go to Heaven (that is to say, we can become Saints) when we die. 🙂

This is why it is possible to ask those who have gone before us (who are not dead, but are in fact even more alive than we are) to pray to God for us (since they are actuallly sitting right next to Him, right now). 👍
“That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee” (John 17:21) 👍
 
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