I don’t know where you read in the verses I presented that anyone was specifically judged as gone to hell, but they were in fact punished even though they repented. That is the point to the conversation you entered. Now is it your position that no one goes to hell or do you expect those who do not repent for their sins go to hell or what because I do not know what your point is. It is not related to the gospel verse I posted.And my point is that Moses fell badly. Badly enough for God to take Moses’ life, and to keep him out of the promised land.
But did God revoke Moses’ salvation because of his terrible fall, and his breaking faith with God?
Seeing as how you “missed” this post or ignored it I will repost it for your response;First of all, I am in the catholic church, I am just not in the "Roman"catholic church. I am a born again christian and if I had stayed in the “Roman” catholic church I never would have been saved, as I was never taught how to be saved, only how to be a Roman cathoilc. Now I can follow the Bible and know where I am going and doing, guided by the Holy Spirit. Ralph
Ralphy, I understand that many are piling on here and it is very difficult to keep up and not feel ganged up on.A junior member, very Roman catholic, very religious, but very misguided and very anti-scriptural. Ralph
The Catholics on this thread know their religion and are appalled at the shrinkage of Christianity required to fit the personal dimensions of your own misguided Fundamentalism. Your fervor conceals the barrenness of your creed. Christianity as refashioned by your Protestant fore-fathers and as defended by yourself is, to the informed Catholic, unrecognizable.A junior member, very Roman catholic, very religious, but very misguided and very anti-scriptural. Ralph
Speak for yourself. I am concerned more about Ralph’s heart than I am about the errors he is spewing on these threads. Frankly, we are more than capable of explaining the errors to anyone who happens to be lurking on this thread so his errors present no threat to any one else. The only issue I am concerned about is helping Ralph find the truth because I don’t think it is coincidental that a lapsed Catholic such as himself, is back on a Catholic thread looking for answers . The Holy Spirit works in wonderful ways.The Catholics on this thread know their religion and are appalled at the shrinkage of Christianity required to fit the personal dimensions of your own misguided Fundamentalism. Your fervor conceals the barrenness of your creed. Christianity as refashioned by your Protestant fore-fathers and as defended by yourself is, to the informed Catholic, unrecognizable.
In the history of the Church, more than one teacher of his own doctrines has witnessed their condemnation because his teaching denied one revealed truth. He believed ten to fifty times as much as you. The rejection of so much of Revelation leaves empty spaces which are filled with your ubiquitous Protestant tradition and a few inapplicable Bible texts.
We Catholics do not overlook the fact that you are sincere. We, though, are not concerned with what is in your heart, but only with the errors you are spewing on these threads.
Ralphy took initiative. However, Ralphy’s biggest blind spot is rather than realizing he should have used the initiative to seek more knowledge of Jesus and strengthen his weaknesses in the faith our Lord established, he used that effort to abandon Jesus’ bride to look for a faith that fit the little knowledge and understanding he was limited to at the time and blamed the CC for what he didn’t know. But as the gospel reminds us, “…more is expected from those who are given more.” Ralphy was given it but abandoned it.The Catholics on this thread know their religion and are appalled at the shrinkage of Christianity required to fit the personal dimensions of your own misguided Fundamentalism. Your fervor conceals the barrenness of your creed. Christianity as refashioned by your Protestant fore-fathers and as defended by yourself is, to the informed Catholic, unrecognizable.
In the history of the Church, more than one teacher of his own doctrines has witnessed their condemnation because his teaching denied one revealed truth. He believed ten to fifty times as much as you. The rejection of so much of Revelation leaves empty spaces which are filled with your ubiquitous Protestant tradition and a few inapplicable Bible texts.
We Catholics do not overlook the fact that you are sincere. We, though, are not concerned with what is in your heart, but only with the errors you are spewing on these threads.
While I agree that we should be concerned for ralphy’s heart, I can certainly understand the frustration tomster has. He has not answered many questions we’ve had, insulted some of us, used very flawed logic, and he’s even contradicted himself on numerous occaisions. Through it all, though, he’s still here, so that means he’s either really off his rocker or that he’s looking for something. I pray it’s the latter, but we’ll probably never know.Speak for yourself. I am concerned more about Ralph’s heart than I am about the errors he is spewing on these threads. Frankly, we are more than capable of explaining the errors to anyone who happens to be lurking on this thread so his errors present no threat to any one else. The only issue I am concerned about is helping Ralph find the truth because I don’t think it is coincidental that a lapsed Catholic such as himself, is back on a Catholic thread looking for answers . The Holy Spirit works in wonderful ways.
Please. If you think that you are helping Ralphy find the truth then I would suggest you re-read this entire thread. I agree with you that it is not a coincidence that a lapsed Catholic such as himself is posting on this thread. However, it obvious to me that he is not looking for answers. He is here to push his heretical agenda which is a threat to poorly catechised Catholics.Speak for yourself. I am concerned more about Ralph’s heart than I am about the errors he is spewing on these threads. Frankly, we are more than capable of explaining the errors to anyone who happens to be lurking on this thread so his errors present no threat to any one else. The only issue I am concerned about is helping Ralph find the truth because I don’t think it is coincidental that a lapsed Catholic such as himself, is back on a Catholic thread looking for answers . The Holy Spirit works in wonderful ways.
… but by us Catholics so easily showing Ralphy his errors, lurkers will learn.Please. If you think that you are helping Ralphy find the truth then I would suggest you re-read this entire thread. I agree with you that it is not a coincidence that a lapsed Catholic such as himself is posting on this thread. However, it obvious to me that he is not looking for answers. He is here to push his heretical agenda which is a threat to poorly catechised Catholics.
What does “I am saved” really mean Ralphy? If you refuse to answer the question, allow me to answer it for you. It means absolutely nothing. It is another misuse of words. In Greek, the language in which all of the New Testament except for St. Matthew was written, saved is the middle voice, and translated accurately, would become in English being saved.First of all, I am in the catholic church, I am just not in the "Roman"catholic church. I am a born again christian and if I had stayed in the “Roman” catholic church I never would have been saved, as I was never taught how to be saved, only how to be a Roman cathoilc. Now I can follow the Bible and know where I am going and doing, guided by the Holy Spirit. Ralph
Thank you. And that is the one reason I do what I can on these boards. But please do not tell me that Ralphy is here looking for answers.… but by us Catholics so easily showing Ralphy his errors, lurkers will learn.
The lurkers will not be fooled by Ralphy’s illogical, unscriptural theology.
michel
He might be here just to stir the pot, and if he is, he’s done a darn good job, but you don’t know what’s down in the deep recesses of ralphy’s heart. I’ve gotten just as frustrated as anyone reading some of his nonsense answers about things, but we have to keep on trying. I wanted to see this come to an end too, but the more I thought about it, the happier I am that it’s continued to this extent because it shows ralphy that no matter what he says or thinks, the Catholic Church will not be pushed over or defeated.Thank you. And that is the one reason I do what I can on these boards. But please do not tell me that Ralphy is here looking for answers.
You are exactly correct. I do not know what’s down in the deep recesses of ralphy’s heart. That’s between ralphy and his Maker. What I do know about ralphy is what he has written on these threads. And what he has written has an origin, a beginning, meaning it came from somewhere. And since what he has written is not the truth but a disorganized mass of confusion . . . well, I’ll let you take it from there.He might be here just to stir the pot, and if he is, he’s done a darn good job, but you don’t know what’s down in the deep recesses of ralphy’s heart. I’ve gotten just as frustrated as anyone reading some of his nonsense answers about things, but we have to keep on trying. I wanted to see this come to an end too, but the more I thought about it, the happier I am that it’s continued to this extent because it shows ralphy that no matter what he says or thinks, the Catholic Church will not be pushed over or defeated.
I’m not disagreeing with you that ralphy has been a big ol ball of confusion. I’m sure if he looked back at all the things he’s said, he’d probably confuse himself. I just said I think it’s awesome that we can go back and forth with him, and we can all say the same thing 1000 different ways. It just shows the absolute strength of the Catholic Church. Over the course of this thread, no less than 10 different people, myself included, have tried to reason with ralphy on one topic or another, and all of us have said things right in accord with Church teaching. You couldn’t get 10 different protestants to do that. Just another reason ralphy should stop arguing and start looking closer at what we have.You are exactly correct. I do not know what’s down in the deep recesses of ralphy’s heart. That’s between ralphy and his Maker. What I do know about ralphy is what he has written on these threads. And what he has written has an origin, a beginning, meaning it came from somewhere. And since what he has written is not the truth but a disorganized mass of confusion . . . well, I’ll let you take it from there.
I wish that it could be that simple that ralphy should stop arguing and start looking closer at what we have. I think that initially ralphy will have to see the contradictions within Fundamentalism for himself through his own experience. This will take time, hopefully a short period of time. Only then will he better able to grasp the absolute strength of the Catholic Church. But until then, he is sitting in his own personally crafted tower of Babel.I’m not disagreeing with you that ralphy has been a big ol ball of confusion. I’m sure if he looked back at all the things he’s said, he’d probably confuse himself. I just said I think it’s awesome that we can go back and forth with him, and we can all say the same thing 1000 different ways. It just shows the absolute strength of the Catholic Church. Over the course of this thread, no less than 10 different people, myself included, have tried to reason with ralphy on one topic or another, and all of us have said things right in accord with Church teaching. You couldn’t get 10 different protestants to do that. Just another reason ralphy should stop arguing and start looking closer at what we have.
hehehe … i’m definitely not under the delusion that he is … but we can still hope that he might find one or two anyway.Thank you. And that is the one reason I do what I can on these boards. But please do not tell me that Ralphy is here looking for answers.
The word of God is the authority behind my position. RalphTry not to be so condenscending. A junior member is someone who has been posting less than 6 months. It says nothing about their credentials or capability. On what basis would you say he is either misguided or anti-scriptural? He is quoting full scriptural passages. You, on the other hand, are quoting from proof tracts, without demonstrating any knowledge of the actual context in which those passages. I’ll be far more convinced of your scriptural knowledge if you could quote a full passage to demonstrate your point, rather than 1 or two verses. Furthermore, he is quoting a position consistent with the teaching of the Catholic Church. What is the authority behind your positions?
Hear me when I say that I do not intend any sarcasm or negativity with this response. Do you really believe what you have just written? This guy is closed off to everything that has been said to him. He has openly shown nothing but scorn for all of the Traditional Catholic interpretations of Sacred Scripture we have given him. Without coming right out and saying it, he has declared himself infallible in these matters.hehehe … i’m definitely not under the delusion that he is … but we can still hope that he might find one or two anyway.
He will at least no longer have the idea that Catholics do not know the bible or can back up what we believe with the bible.
michel