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[Valke2]

Just like there is a difference between criticizing militant aspects of a religion, be it a corruption or not of the faith’s intent, is different from condemning the whole religion and seeking to deny people their God-given freewill to practice any religion they choose.

Not really sure why this is in reply to my post. I would agree with it, however.

 

[Valke2]

I posted it because several of the perpetrators were caught and they said WHY they did it.

My apologies. THat makes sense. ANd to be clear, I did not jump in hear and defend anything that had to do with your OP, as another person has suggested. I responded to the individual who took the crime and tried to tie link it to the US Congressman.

 

[pro_universal]

Pro, you obviously didn’t read this. It bears repeating:

The obvious difference is that in 1938 Germany the threat from the Jews had no reality, whereas in the present time the threat from Radical Islamists is real.

It certainly wasn’t obvious in 1938 that this wasn’t the case.

The Nazis were as convinced that Jews were really sworn to destroy them, and that Jews had initiated a crushing economic attack, as you are all sure that Muslims are out to get you.

So no, there’s not a difference. The Nazis believed they were acting on the facts also. They were wrong. Where’s the guarantee that Islam haters aren’t wrong too?

 

[cestusdei]

I have watched Islam terrorists on TV swear they are going to kill me and destroy my country. I don’t have to make it up. They say it themselves and are happy about it.

 

[pro_universal]

I have watched Islam terrorists on TV swear they are going to kill me and destroy my country. I don’t have to make it up. They say it themselves and are happy about it.

Sure. Just like the Nazis looked at their crumbling economy and foreclosed loans and “knew” that Jews were ruining them.

This is the new 1938, and people bashing Islam are the new Nazis. And just like the old Nazis, they’re doing everything they can to convince the world that their victims are “the real threat.”

 

[Damascus]

Sure. Just like the Nazis looked at their crumbling economy and foreclosed loans and “knew” that Jews were ruining them.

This is the new 1938, and people bashing Islam are the new Nazis. And just like the old Nazis, they’re doing everything they can to convince the world that their victims are “the real threat.”

How many Catholics have killed Muslims lately?

You cant call Muslims victims here.

Jews and others had the right to be called victims.

What right do muslims have to equate themselves as a victim here?

Unless its from other Muslims.

 

[pro_universal]

How many Catholics have killed Muslims lately?

Orthodox Catholics killed about 200,000 Muslims in the former Yugoslavia, and about 1,000,000 Muslims in Central Asia.

What right do muslims have to equate themselves as a victim here?

Unless its from other Muslims.

The whole world is ratcheting up the the hate speech against Muslims. When you have authority figures (a Priest, like cestusdei) spreading nothing but hatred about Islam, Muslims have a right and good sense to be worried about what people might decide to do to them.

 

[cestusdei]

pro, and the US aided those Muslims in the former Yugoslavia. Our reward? Their hatred. But for you posting about Islamic atrocities is hate speech even if it is true. You are more offended by my posting this then by the 3 girls that were decapitated. If you want to discuss anti-semiticism I’m game. Let’s see…who today are the most anti Jewish people around? Hmmm…that’s a tough one. Who constantly calls Jews “pigs, dogs etc.” Who swears they are all to be killed? Let’s put on our thinking caps. Who could it be pro? Can you say…the Muslims.

 

[pro_universal]

pro, and the US aided those Muslims in the former Yugoslavia. Our reward? Their hatred.

This is a myth. We bombed belgrade after the killing had mostly tired out, and succeeded in reigniting the killing. US intervention in the former Yugoslavia is a perfect example of failed humanitarian intervention.

But for you posting about Islamic atrocities is hate speech even if it is true. You are more offended by my posting this then by the 3 girls that were decapitated. If you want to discuss anti-semiticism I’m game.

It was the comparison to 1938 that matters. You are admittedly saying the same things about Muslims that Nazis used to say about Jews. And just like the Nazis, you’re convinced that what you say is truth.

Let’s see…who today are the most anti Jewish people around? Hmmm…that’s a tough one. Who constantly calls Jews “pigs, dogs etc.” Who swears they are all to be killed? Let’s put on our thinking caps. Who could it be pro? Can you say…the Muslims.

It’s hard to say without a survey, but the most anti-semitic country I’ve ever seen and the most anti-semitic people…are Mexico and Mexicans. By far. Muslims almost always make some effort to distinguish Israel from all Jews, and the only Muslim theocracy protects Jews as a matter of constitutional law.

Mexico, on the other hand, is a place where it’s hard to find a single person who doesn’t blame Mexico’s and the world’s ills on a secret group of Jews controlling things for the benefit of their usurious secret orders.

What’s the religion most people have in Mexico again?

 

[birdsong]

Mexico the most anti-Semitic country in the world??

Really? And should we trust your expert opinion and knowledge on Mexican affairs?? …. Sorry bud, but you are either lying and/or incredibly misinformed and brainwashed …… you are talking here with a Mexican, so I know more about my country than you ever will …… I have seen your posts and comments in other threads, and it’s obvious you have an agenda to push here, and do not care to lie and/or take things out of context just to advance it …… now, I challenge you to prove your allegations against Mexico:

Name a Mexican President or member of the clergy (cardinal, archbishops, etc) who have asked for the destruction of Israel as your Muslims comrades do everyday since immemorial times.

Cite any documents (our constitution, catholic doctrine, official textbooks) that resemble anything anti-Semitic

Of course, I demand that quotes, speeches and documents be presented in their particular context ……

It is clear you are lying just to deviate attention from your Jew-hating muslim brothers, right? You thought that no one here in this forum would be able to catch you lying about Mexicans, correct? Your pathetic lies show your true colours, so it’ll be a pleasure to do my part to expose you true nature ….

It’s hard to say without a survey, but the most anti-semitic country I’ve ever seen and the most anti-semitic people…are Mexico and Mexicans. By far. Muslims almost always make some effort to distinguish Israel from all Jews, and the only Muslim theocracy protects Jews as a matter of constitutional law.

Mexico, on the other hand, is a place where it’s hard to find a single person who doesn’t blame Mexico’s and the world’s ills on a secret group of Jews controlling things for the benefit of their usurious secret orders.

What’s the religion most people have in Mexico again?

 

[birdsong]

More irrefutable evidence (being sarcastic here, of course!) of the Mexican anti-Semitism that our dear muslim friend Pro universal was so kind to bring up ……

eluniversal.com.mx/notas/387430.html

the above link published in the most important newspaper in Mexico (sorry it’s in Spanish) shows the mayor of Mexico city yesterday inaugurating an expo in a museum dedicated to celebrate tolerance, mutual respect and diversity …… shockingly, and contrary to our anti-Semitic Mexican ways (sarcasm again!), a train carriage in which victims of the holocaust were transported to their death was in display, and alongside the city mayor were prominent and well-known figures and member of the Jewish community in Mexico ……

not bad for the most anti-Semitic country in the world, right my dear muslim friend?

what say you, mr. Pro universal?

PS: another toughie for you: show me evidence of a public manifestation against the Jews/Israel that has taken place in Mexico over the last 20-30 years ……

It’s hard to say without a survey, but the most anti-semitic country I’ve ever seen and the most anti-semitic people…are Mexico and Mexicans. By far. Muslims almost always make some effort to distinguish Israel from all Jews, and the only Muslim theocracy protects Jews as a matter of constitutional law.

Mexico, on the other hand, is a place where it’s hard to find a single person who doesn’t blame Mexico’s and the world’s ills on a secret group of Jews controlling things for the benefit of their usurious secret orders.

What’s the religion most people have in Mexico again?

 

[melbourne_guy]

pro_universal:

Mexico, on the other hand, is a place where it’s hard to find a single person who doesn’t blame Mexico’s and the world’s ills on a secret group of Jews controlling things for the benefit of their usurious secret orders.

ahahahaaha, lol. your joking , u have 2 be joking.

 

[melbourne_guy]

Pro i dont think you can convince yourself of some of the stuff you make up. Everybody knows the most anti-semetic people are muslims. I have lebanese and turkish friends, they are officially the most anti semetic people and proud of it. Although its hard to prove w/o a survey.

 

[pro_universal]

Mexico the most anti-Semitic country in the world??

Really? And should we trust your expert opinion and knowledge on Mexican affairs?? …. Sorry bud, but you are either lying and/or incredibly misinformed and brainwashed …… you are talking here with a Mexican, so I know more about my country than you ever will …… I have seen your posts and comments in other threads, and it’s obvious you have an agenda to push here, and do not care to lie and/or take things out of context just to advance it …… now, I challenge you to prove your allegations against Mexico:

I visit my relatives there regularly. I read the papers in Mexico. I also remember when you were all chanting “Osama! Osama!” at the american soccer team during a match there.

No, it’s not in your official papers, but then again, most of your presidents and government officials are selected by corporate interests who have little connection to popular sentiment.

Of course, I demand that quotes, speeches and documents be presented in their particular context ……

All you need to do is walk down the street and ask your neighbors what they think of Jews. Tell me how many of your neighbors think Jews are not involved in the economic problems in Mexico and the war in Iraq.

Last time I was there (2004), it was 100 percent-every single person I talked to, at every level of society, was convinced that Jews had secretly organized the Iraq war and the 9/11 bombings to promote Jewish secret interests.

It is clear you are lying just to deviate attention from your Jew-hating muslim brothers, right? You thought that no one here in this forum would be able to catch you lying about Mexicans, correct? Your pathetic lies show your true colours, so it’ll be a pleasure to do my part to expose you true nature ….

Be angry all you want, it’s a fact. Maybe you’re not getting out much or maybe your whole scale of anti-semitism is different from ours, but I guarantee you that any American who speaks spanish and visits will see anti-semitism.

 

[birdsong]

So basically you are saying “no, I do not have evidence, but you have to believe me because I am pro-universal” …… sorry again, but without evidence, I do not believe any single word you say …… I asked you for irrefutable evidence, and very conveniently you just said “I asked many people there” …… so I guess that should be enough, eh? …… you say you read it in the papers, so I ask you to give me the links to those papers reporting rampant anti-Semitism a la Mexican way ……

come on my friend, do me a favour and show off your Spanish language and internet skills and google up the evidence I am asking you for …… it should not be too difficult …

I visit my relatives there regularly. I read the papers in Mexico. I also remember when you were all chanting “Osama! Osama!” at the american soccer team during a match there.

No, it’s not in your official papers, but then again, most of your presidents and government officials are selected by corporate interests who have little connection to popular sentiment.

All you need to do is walk down the street and ask your neighbors what they think of Jews. Tell me how many of your neighbors think Jews are not involved in the economic problems in Mexico and the war in Iraq.

Last time I was there (2004), it was 100 percent-every single person I talked to, at every level of society, was convinced that Jews had secretly organized the Iraq war and the 9/11 bombings to promote Jewish secret interests.

Be angry all you want, it’s a fact. Maybe you’re not getting out much or maybe your whole scale of anti-semitism is different from ours, but I guarantee you that any American who speaks spanish and visits will see anti-semitism.

 

[Ella]

Pro is diverting the subject of the thread to Mexican anti-semitism, a common tactic of Pro’s. The better thing to do is to start a thread about which country/culture/whatever is the most anti-semitic at this time.
The subject of this thread is the decapitated girls.

 

[birdsong]

Yep, I noticed this too, I’m just trying to show the blatant lies and absurdities this guy makes up just to advance his agenda …

it is just amazing the shameless ways some people resort to in order to push forward their obscure interests … sad, so very sad …

Pro is diverting the subject of the thread to Mexican anti-semitism, a common tactic of Pro’s. The better thing to do is to start a thread about which country/culture/whatever is the most anti-semitic at this time.
The subject of this thread is the decapitated girls.

 

[cestusdei]

pro, before WWII the Jews didn’t decapitate teenage girls as an offering to God. But the Muslims are doing that today. What say you?

 

[Damascus]

Orthodox Catholics killed about 200,000 Muslims in the former Yugoslavia, and about 1,000,000 Muslims in Central Asia.

Thanks Pro. I meant us not them. But thanks anyway.

The whole world is ratcheting up the the hate speech against Muslims. When you have authority figures (a Priest, like cestusdei) spreading nothing but hatred about Islam, Muslims have a right and good sense to be worried about what people might decide to do to them.

I dont think its relevant weather cestusdei is a Priest (in this case) or not.
Unless he is telling people in his homily to hate Muslims I think his identity here as cestusdei can hardly be called an “authority figure” . Heck, I’ll bet most people dont know he is a Priest. Its not like someone is gonna read one of his posts and say- oh my a Priest said such and such that looked just fine but it stirred up this character named Pro. I better adjust my attitudes accordingly.
Heck, Pro no one here is or is going to become a hate monger like you are implying. And so far, I dont see anyone here who is.

 

[Loginus]

I dont think its relevant weather cestusdei is a Priest (in this case) or not.
Unless he is telling people in his homily to hate Muslims I think his identity here as cestusdei can hardly be called an “authority figure” . Heck, I’ll bet most people dont know he is a Priest. Its not like someone is gonna read one of his posts and say- oh my a Priest said such and such that looked just fine but it stirred up this character named Pro. I better adjust my attitudes accordingly.
Heck, Pro no one here is or is going to become a hate monger like you are implying. And so far, I dont see anyone here who is.

You may want to check my last post