Rand Paul: Without change, GOP will "not win again in my lifetime"

[ishii]

Outside of Fox news viewers I have never encountered anyone who knew or cared about Benghazi.

I believe you, Geist. That tells me two things: 1 - the story is not being covered by the other networks. They protect their own. 2 - you mainly interact with people who buy what the government says - they don’t question or look at things very critically.

Ishii

 

[Mickey_Finn]

I believe you, Geist. That tells me two things: 1 - the story is not being covered by the other networks. They protect their own. 2 - you mainly interact with people who buy what the government says - they don’t question or look at things very critically.

Ishii

1. It’s not the first embassy to be over run. You bury your dead with honors, and move on. No story here.

ATB

 

[Ridgerunner]

Yes, true, the Mormons are into prepping. But, I doubt Mitt is. Mitt Romney isn’t even a “good Mormon”, neither is Harry Reid. Just because Mormons are into prepping because of their faith, doesn’t mean its not a good idea, and a logical response to the way things are going in this country. Anyways, I don’t want to divert the thread too much… Here’s a meme I found from back in the campaign days:

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/46340768.jpg

Wow… that could not have been harder. Catholic Answers really needs to be able to upload pictures from your desktop. I had to remake that entire thing, just so it would be on the internet… Ugh.

And no, I don’t believe in the “doomsday” part of “doomsday preppers”. Like I said, prep for persecution. Look how the Church lives in China, Lebanon, Egypt, etc. Its all very practical stuff I’m saying. Look at Mexcio less than 100 years ago in the 1920s. The Church needs to be prepared for violent persecution, that’s all I’m saying.

I already told you. The ruler with which I will measure is Rick Santorum. Ok? Find me a Rick Santorum to vote for. Find me an Allen West. Find me a Patrick James Buchanan, Knight of Malta, ok? Hmm… Allen West is not a Knight, but I know Rick Santorum is, as well.
“More than half” is just an expression.

Also, Mormons aren’t Christians, the Vatican says so. So, are you sure about that? That they believe in more than half of what the Catholic Church teaches?

Here: from the mouth of Holy Mother Church, in her INFINITE wisdom, she doth proclaim:
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20010605_battesimo_mormoni_en.html

:bowdown2: I bow before your infinite wisdom, oh Holy Mother Church. Thine proclamations on faith and morals are infallible. :bowdown2:

If one reads any significant part of the Book of Mormon, one discovers that it’s largely a paraphrase of the Bible; page after page after page, with the peculiarly “Mormon” parts inserted.

The Vatican didn’t say Mormons aren’t Christians, just that their baptism is not valid from the standpoint of the Church. That’s not just true of the Mormons. But I’ll concede the point that Mormonism is so far departed from Catholicism that it’s hard to call it “Christian”. It’s sort of like Santeria in that way.

I have and will vote AGAINST the likes of Obama and Hillary Clinton, even if my choice is not perfect. I will not fall into the trap of the pagans and fail to oppose their rule by sitting out elections or voting third party. The whole strategy of turning up one’s nose to their only effective opposition is a product of the DNC. It kept them in power in 2012. Unfortunately, too many people of good will fall for it.

And I do not doubt that the Church is in for additional persecution in this country; that is, unless the current ruling party is ousted.

 

[Geist]

Republicans in this upcoming election cycle are struggling to find a way to proceed. We’ve already seen them attempting to use Hillary’s presumed popularity to raise fear. I guess hoping to draw more stay at homes to the polls. If there* is *a Republican Dark Horse in the wings. They would do well to remain there till the last minute.

ATB

Oh Lord, f the GOP is relying on “the other guy might win” fear tactic to win again this time, they’re really screwed even amongst possible GOP voters.

I won’t vote for one person because I find the alternative worse; you gotta win me over. I predict pulling Libertarian again in the upcoming POTUS race.

 

[Geist]

I believe you, Geist. That tells me two things: 1 - the story is not being covered by the other networks. They protect their own. 2 - you mainly interact with people who buy what the government says - they don’t question or look at things very critically.

Ishii

I interact with ordinary Americans. So…yes?

 

[Ridgerunner]

I won’t vote for one person because I find the alternative worse; you gotta win me over. I predict pulling Libertarian again in the upcoming POTUS race.

That’s exactly what the abortion-promoters are hoping you will do, and they have lots of messengers encouraging it.

 

[Geist]

That’s exactly what the abortion-promoters are hoping you will do, and they have lots of messengers encouraging it.

Then they’ll get their wish.

I don’t eat restaurant A because restaurant A is constantly badmouthing restaurant B; I’ll eat at restaurant A only because I like their food/service/price etc.

I recall some state GOP guy (I live in VA-still considered a swing state as of 2012) on the third party choices stating, “We know this election is too important to have people throw their votes away”.

The GOP really needs to stop resorting to reliance on fear-mongering, because quite a few of us did vote our consciences.

Want me to vote Republican? Stop nominating ****** candidates.

Honestly, the GOP is like the shopkeeper of a store no one goes into who blames the customers for not showing up. It makes no sense.

 

[SMGS127]

Want me to vote Republican? Stop nominating ****** candidates.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this.

Why does every election come down to “starve the poor and destroy our schools!” or “kill the unborn?” And since Bush, the Republican Party hasn’t even been able to come up with individuals who cared about the latter issue; you had lip service from Romney and McCain’s feelings on the importance of the issue were exposed when he told us to give up on the issue after the 2012 elections. We need a strong candidate who stands up both for the social contract AND for the unborn. We haven’t had one of those for a long time.

 

[meltzerboy]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this.

Why does every election come down to “starve the poor and destroy our schools!” or “kill the unborn?” And since Bush, the Republican Party hasn’t even been able to come up with individuals who cared about the latter issue; you had lip service from Romney and McCain’s feelings on the importance of the issue were exposed when he told us to give up on the issue after the 2012 elections. We need a strong candidate who stands up both for the social contract AND for the unborn. We haven’t had one of those for a long time.

The kind of candidate you describe has gone beyond being an endangered species, and is tottering on extinction.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Then they’ll get their wish.

I don’t eat restaurant A because restaurant A is constantly badmouthing restaurant B; I’ll eat at restaurant A only because I like their food/service/price etc.

I recall some state GOP guy (I live in VA-still considered a swing state as of 2012) on the third party choices stating, “We know this election is too important to have people throw their votes away”.

The GOP really needs to stop resorting to reliance on fear-mongering, because quite a few of us did vote our consciences.

Want me to vote Republican? Stop nominating ****** candidates.

Honestly, the GOP is like the shopkeeper of a store no one goes into who blames the customers for not showing up. It makes no sense.

I’m not a Repub. Never have been. And I certainly dissent from some of the “standard” Repub views.

I was a “cradle Democrat” and held office in the party until it became clear to me that it had abandoned its former values and stood for nothing but abortion. To that it has now added the degradation of marriage and the persecution of the Catholic Church.

So, I oppose that party, as I believe it is the moral obligation of every Catholic to do. This is not a matter of consumer preference like going to this restaurant or that. It is a matter of whether one chooses to oppose evil by means that could imaginably be effective, though far from perfect, or withdraw out of pride and refuse to fight evil.

When we refuse to oppose evil when we could do so, we become a party to that evil, and participate in the moral evils ourselves.

That’s why I no longer support the Democrat party, and that’s why I support Republicans.

One remembers the poem “opportunity”, which probably schoolchildren no longer read but once did.

OPPORTUNITY

by: Edward Rowland Sill (1841-1887)

THIS I beheld, or dreamed it in a dream:–
There spread a cloud of dust along a plain;
And underneath the cloud, or in it, raged
A furious battle, and men yelled, and swords
Shocked upon swords and shields. A prince’s banner
Wavered, then staggered backward, hemmed by foes.
A craven hung along the battle’s edge,
And thought, “Had I a sword of keener steel–
That blue blade that the king’s son bears, – but this
Blunt thing–!” he snapped and flung it from his hand,
And lowering crept away and left the field.
Then came the king’s son, wounded, sore bestead,
And weaponless, and saw the broken sword,
Hilt-buried in the dry and trodden sand,
And ran and snatched it, and with battle shout
Lifted afresh he hewed his enemy down,
And saved a great cause that heroic day.

 

[ishii]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this.

Why does every election come down to “starve the poor and destroy our schools!” or “kill the unborn?” And since Bush, the Republican Party hasn’t even been able to come up with individuals who cared about the latter issue; you had lip service from Romney and McCain’s feelings on the importance of the issue were exposed when he told us to give up on the issue after the 2012 elections. We need a strong candidate who stands up both for the social contract AND for the unborn. We haven’t had one of those for a long time.

Why do liberal Democrat catholics reduce the issues to a straw man choice of:

** “starve the poor/destroy our schools OR* kill the unborn” **

???

This is a false choice and a misunderstanding and/or an outright lie. No Republican policies “starve the poor” or destroy schools. On the other hand, the policies of the Democrats do indeed “kill the unborn.” Democrat catholics, vote for your favorite Democrat. True believing 3rd party traditionalists, sit at home or vote for Howard Phillips of the Constitution party. But please don’t insult our intelligence by giving a false portrayal of the issue. And understand that while the Republican offered solutions to help the poor or improve schools might differ from your own, know that the policies of the Demcrats do indeed kill the unborn.

Ishii

 

[ishii]

When we refuse to oppose evil when we could do so, we become a party to that evil, and participate in the moral evils ourselves.

That’s why I no longer support the Democrat party, and that’s why I support Republicans.

This. If we do not oppose evil, we become a party to it.

The only way for liberal Democrat catholics can justify voting for pro-abortion candidates is to make up lies or promote falsehoods like “the GOP policies kill the poor/destroy education.” The only way ultra traditionalist true-believers can justify sitting at home on election day or voting for the 3rd party fringe candidates is by promoting the falsehood that the GOP is not pro-life but only pays lip service to the issue to get votes. Both justifications are shameful and false.

Ishii

 

[seaton2005]

That’s exactly what the abortion-promoters are hoping you will do, and they have lots of messengers encouraging it.

Come on! Why do we always have to resort the abortion argument. Now please know before you resort to being judgmental, I’m not for abortion but we simply have to move on. There are many important issues facing the country. Maybe if we get behind our president instead of being obstructionists, we might get something done. We have an opportunity for the first time in many years to actually to make substantial progress in the area of social justice with President Obama’s leadership - i.e., to get some social justice for those at the bottom end of society (living wage, education reform, clean energy, heath care) - attention to these issues is long overdue. Please, jump on board and come on in for the big win.

 

[SuperLuigi]

This is a false choice and a misunderstanding and/or an outright lie.

:clapping:

please don’t insult our intelligence by giving a false portrayal of the issue. And understand that while the Republican offered solutions to help the poor or improve schools might differ from your own, know that the policies of the Demcrats do indeed kill the unborn.

:clapping:

 

[Mickey_Finn]

Why do liberal Democrat catholics reduce the issues to a straw man choice of:

** “starve the poor/destroy our schools OR* kill the unborn” **

???:mad
Ishii

Ishii Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[ishii]

Ishii Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

How so, Mickey?

 

[ishii]

Come on! Why do we always have to resort the abortion argument. Now please know before you resort to being judgmental, I’m not for abortion but we simply have to move on. There are many important issues facing the country. Maybe if we get behind our president instead of being obstructionists, we might get something done. We have an opportunity for the first time in many years to actually to make substantial progress in the area of social justice with President Obama’s leadership - i.e., to get some social justice for those at the bottom end of society (living wage, education reform, clean energy, heath care) - attention to these issues is long overdue. Please, jump on board and come on in for the big win.

Assuming the above post is serious (and not someone making fun of liberals by posting parodies of their thought process):

This is the problem with Democrat catholics who so want the abortion issue to go away. It is an inconvenient issue for them - as it gets in the way of everyone “getting behind Obama.” Yes, this minor issue of 900,000 unborn being killed each year, and Obama’s saying, “God bless Planned Parenthood” is sticking around. It will continue to stick around as long as our leaders continue to allow this to happen legally. Catholic moral principles, and the agenda of Obama are not compatible, Seaton. You should choose one or the other. I hope you make the right choice.

Ishii

 

[JimG]

I was a Democrat nearly my whole life, but I had to give up voting for them when they became the de facto party of abortion, contraception, and sexual license. The party made a real effort to become the abortion party, making it an essential part of its constituency, and fought every effort, on the state or federal level to restrict abortion in any way. Now they have become the party of same sex marriage as well, and are attacking religious liberty on every front. Soon I expect they will become the party of euthanasia.

 

[FollowChrist34]

But will an electable Republican candidate stand up against abortion, contraception and gay marriage? Fox News won’t even consistently do that. We all saw the hatchet job on Rick Santorum. I agree Catholics have an obligation to vote Republican at this time. But do it with your eyes open. We’ll either win with a compromise candidate or lose. I am already starting to hope that maybe Hillary won’t be as bad as Obama…(isn’t she a little more to the right?)

 

[anthony022071]

It’s the leaders of the Republican Party - the “establishment Republicans” - who are undermining the party. The party is supposed to represent conservative principles such as limited government,low taxation,keeping government spending within means,and protecting natural law rights. Boehner,Cantor,McCarthy,McConnell,Rove and their allies are not true conservatives,they are unprincipled and wily. They repudiate and disparage the conservative base of the party and the few strong conservative politicians in congress,such as Cruz and Lee and Bachmann,and conservative candidates. They prop up their own kind of candidates,telling wealthy donors that they are electable,and the conservative candidates unelectable. They are afraid of Obama,the Democrat Party and the liberal media,and they want to appease them by criticizing and distancing themselves from conservatives and making themselves appear “moderate”. They will not act to repeal or defund the health care law or to make significant cuts in government spending. And they support the legalization of millions of illegal immigrants because they think they will gain votes from them,and also because they have been persuaded by corporatists to support it.