Randall terry lectures bishop d’arcy

[elts1956]

Here are some excerpts from what Randall Terry said:

uch:
Now we have the quotes!
Anyone care to change their position on Mr. Terry?

VC

From Bishop D’Arcy’s statement, I saw no indication he was asking Catholics to be silent about this issue. This is the one I have read. If you have another statement telling Catholics to be silent, please give the link. Here is mine.

romereturn.blogspot.com/2009/03/bishop-darcys-statement-on-obama-and.html

Tuesday, March 24, 2009
Bishop D’Arcy’s Statement on Obama and Notre Dame

The University of Notre Dame resides in the Catholic Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend. Its bishop, John M. D’Arcy, has issued a statement concerning the matter of President Obama and Notre Dame. Here is his statement in its entirety:

Concerning President Barack Obama speaking at Notre Dame graduation, receiving honorary law degree

March 24, 2009

On Friday, March 21, Father John Jenkins, CSC, phoned to inform me that President Obama had accepted his invitation to speak to the graduating class at Notre Dame and receive an honorary degree. We spoke shortly before the announcement was made public at the White House press briefing. It was the first time that I had been informed that Notre Dame had issued this invitation.

President Obama has recently reaffirmed, and has now placed in public policy, his long-stated unwillingness to hold human life as sacred. While claiming to separate politics from science, he has in fact separated science from ethics and has brought the American government, for the first time in history, into supporting direct destruction of innocent human life.

This will be the 25th Notre Dame graduation during my time as bishop. After much prayer, I have decided not to attend the graduation. I wish no disrespect to our president, I pray for him and wish him well. I have always revered the Office of the Presidency. But a bishop must teach the Catholic faith “in season and out of season,” and he teaches not only by his words — but by his actions.

My decision is not an attack on anyone, but is in defense of the truth about human life.

I have in mind also the statement of the U.S. Catholic Bishops in 2004. “The Catholic community and Catholic institutions should not honor those who act in defiance of our fundamental moral principles. They should not be given awards, honors or platforms which would suggest support for their actions.” Indeed, the measure of any Catholic institution is not only what it stands for, but also what it will not stand for.

I have spoken with Professor Mary Ann Glendon, who is to receive the Laetare Medal. I have known her for many years and hold her in high esteem. We are both teachers, but in different ways. I have encouraged her to accept this award and take the opportunity such an award gives her to teach.

Even as I continue to ponder in prayer these events, which many have found shocking, so must Notre Dame. Indeed, as a Catholic University, Notre Dame must ask itself, if by this decision it has chosen prestige over truth.

Tomorrow, we celebrate as Catholics the moment when our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, became a child in the womb of his most holy mother. Let us ask Our Lady to intercede for the university named in her honor, that it may recommit itself to the primacy of truth over prestige.

 

[Verbum_Caro]

From Bishop D’Arcy’s statement, I saw no indication he was asking Catholics to be silent about this issue. This is the one I have read. If you have another statement telling Catholics to be silent, please give the link. Here is mine.

elts,

No, that is Bishop D’arcy’s original statement. It gets a little confusing, but later on Randall Terry (evidently) began to orchestrate some sort of ongoing protests at ND. (Presumably) the Bishop gave a response to that here: msnbc.msn.com/id/30155332/

STATEMENT BY BISHOP JOHN M. D’ARCYApril 10, 2009
I urge all Catholics and others of good will to stay away from unseemly and unhelpful demonstrations against our nation’s President or Notre Dame or Father John I. Jenkins, C.S.C. The Notre Dame community is well-equipped to supervise and support discussions and prayer within their own campus.
I had a positive meeting this week with Father Jenkins, and I expect further dialogue will continue. These are days of prayer and hope when we should turn to the Risen Christ for light and wisdom.
Let us all work towards a peaceful graduation experience for the Class of 2009 at our beloved Notre Dame.

Then Randall Terry responded, as I linked to in my previous post.

You can also so an exclusive interview with Bishop D’arcy about his decision not to participate in the commencement ceremony here: osvdailytake.com/2009/04/bishop-darcy-explains-notre-dame.html

 

[aimee]

The Catholic league is saying Randall Terry isn’t a member of the Magisterium.

This isn’t the point on the Catholic League I was making. This isn’t the first time they responded to something pro life in a sarcastic snarky way…which isn’t

oh and by the way, although Catholic League does a good job in public relations they aren’t the Magisterium, either

 

[Contarini]

Thursday April 16, 2009
RANDALL TERRY LECTURES BISHOP D’ARCY

April 15, 2009

Catholic League president Bill Donohue issued the following remarks on a column by pro-life activist Randall Terry that appeared in yesterday’s Fort Wayne Journal Gazette:

“Three weeks ago, Archbishop Raymond Burke, the former St. Louis archbishop who is now working in the Vatican, publicly chastised Randall Terry for misrepresenting a meeting they had in Rome. Now Terry has stepped in it again, this time having the gall to lecture Fort Wayne-South Bend Bishop John D’Arcy for not contacting him before he called on Catholics not to demonstrate at this year’s Commencement at Notre Dame; President Barack Obama will be given an honorary degree, something which D’Arcy strongly opposes. For some bizarre reason, Terry thinks Bishop D’Arcy should have checked in with him before he made his prudent decision.

“Terry doesn’t know when to quit. This quote is a gem: ‘D’Arcy has stepped far beyond his canonical authority by urging the faithful to abandon the babies—and thereby abandon Christ—and to honor Obama and Jenkins [the Notre Dame president] with our silent cooperation.’ This is arrogance on stilts: Terry just became a Catholic in 2005 and now he is an authority on canon law. Worse, he accuses Bishop D’Arcy, who is strongly pro-life, of abandoning babies and Christ.

“The problem with pro-life zealots is that they expect everyone to line up single file and do exactly what they want. Thus do they play to the worst stereotype floated by the pro-abortion camp. Terry needs to take a deep breath and get off his high horse.”

And I wish some of the folks on this forum would take warning. Bishop D’Arcy has taken the high road on this issue by courteously declining to participate. And like most people who act virtuously and wisely, he’s getting blasted from both sides.

Edwin

 

[OriginalJS]

Randall Terry, like a bad penny, just keeps showing up and showing off. He has been in the pro-life movement for at least 18 years that I know of, probably longer. When it comes to dealing with Terry, the remark that comes to my mind is, “With friends like this who needs enemies?” If Terry’s effect is similar to what it has been in the past, he will prompt more negative that positive reaction. But, he has the right to speak, so I guess we’ll just see how this works out.

 

[aimee]

I see no one responded to the wise guy sarcastic Catholic League attitude in the article…this isn’t the only time, folks…

 

[Havard]

I see no one responded to the wise guy sarcastic Catholic League attitude in the article…this isn’t the only time, folks…

Mr. Terry called the His Excellency a denier of Christ. Mr. Donohue was right to call him out for being out of line.

 

[aimee]

Mr. Terry called the His Excellency a denier of Christ. Mr. Donohue was right to call him out for being out of line.

Thats not what I mean…its the attitude of the catholic league…the tone of the article its the same as some before …and not the usual…

I don’t know what or if Mr Terry called Bishop but thats another issue from the snarky article…I remember another one about a pro life issue was the same…with the same tone.
I’ll just say it …do they not want to deal with pro life issues…? that can’t be it…so

 

[Contarini]

Thats not what I mean…its the attitude of the catholic league…the tone of the article its the same as some before …and not the usual…

I don’t know what or if Mr Terry called Bishop but thats another issue from the snarky article…I remember another one about a pro life issue was the same…with the same tone.
I’ll just say it …do they not want to deal with pro life issues…? that can’t be it…so

The Catholic League is extremely obnoxious in its tone. It’s just that you only notice it when they take on someone you happen to agree with. Just as I don’t find this particular article to be very snarky, because I think what Mr. Terry said about Bishop D’Arcy really is just plain outrageous, given the courage and firmness the Bishop has shown and the kind of criticism he’s gotten for it.

Edwin

 

[Havard]

I haven’t read much put out by the Catholic League, so I am unaware of prior communications.

 

[RobbyS]

Thursday April 16, 2009
RANDALL TERRY LECTURES BISHOP D’ARCY

April 15, 2009

Catholic League president Bill Donohue issued the following remarks on a column by pro-life activist Randall Terry that appeared in yesterday’s Fort Wayne Journal Gazette:

“Three weeks ago, Archbishop Raymond Burke, the former St. Louis archbishop who is now working in the Vatican, publicly chastised Randall Terry for misrepresenting a meeting they had in Rome. Now Terry has stepped in it again, this time having the gall to lecture Fort Wayne-South Bend Bishop John D’Arcy for not contacting him before he called on Catholics not to demonstrate at this year’s Commencement at Notre Dame; President Barack Obama will be given an honorary degree, something which D’Arcy strongly opposes. For some bizarre reason, Terry thinks Bishop D’Arcy should have checked in with him before he made his prudent decision.

“Terry doesn’t know when to quit. This quote is a gem: ‘D’Arcy has stepped far beyond his canonical authority by urging the faithful to abandon the babies—and thereby abandon Christ—and to honor Obama and Jenkins [the Notre Dame president] with our silent cooperation.’ This is arrogance on stilts: Terry just became a Catholic in 2005 and now he is an authority on canon law. Worse, he accuses Bishop D’Arcy, who is strongly pro-life, of abandoning babies and Christ.

“The problem with pro-life zealots is that they expect everyone to line up single file and do exactly what they want. Thus do they play to the worst stereotype floated by the pro-abortion camp. Terry needs to take a deep breath and get off his high horse.”

I would not lecture a bishop, even one I do respect. But D’Arcy is trying to do the right thing. ND, I gather, has pretty much ignored his advise in th past. Now he has their attention.

 

[Della]

I would not lecture a bishop, even one I do respect. But D’Arcy is trying to do the right thing. ND, I gather, has pretty much ignored his advise in th past. Now he has their attention.

He’s the bishop. Why doesn’t ORDER ND to disinvite Obama? He’s their shepherd–he can’t just pretend it doesn’t concern him. I certainly fault him for doing no more than staying away. All he’s done is given ND tactic approval to be disobedient to Catholic teaching by washing his hands of the issue. Hardly a noble reaction, IMHO.

 

[Don5925]

He’s the bishop. Why doesn’t ORDER ND to disinvite Obama? He’s their shepherd–he can’t just pretend it doesn’t concern him. I certainly fault him for doing no more than staying away. All he’s done is given ND tactic approval to be disobedient to Catholic teaching by washing his hands of the issue. Hardly a noble reaction, IMHO.

He cannot, as the the president was invited by the secular board of trustees. It looks like Terry’s point will be made moot as Bishop D’arcy may march with student protestors during commencement.

 

[Della]

He cannot, as the the president was invited by the secular board of trustees. It looks like Terry’s point will be made moot as Bishop D’arcy may march with student protestors during commencement.

No institution that is run by a secular board that can go against Catholic teachings ought to be allowed to bear the name of Catholic. If ND wants to be a secular institution it should be honest and drop Our Lady’s name or am I being incredibly naive?

 

[Don5925]

Of course should and will are two different things. The university is a private institution lead by a board of trustees and a president who must be a Holy Cross priest.

My biggest fear is that Terry will tarnish what light is trying to be shed on the whole issue. It is as though this has become as much about Terry as it is about stopping abortion on demand.

 

[elts1956]

elts,

No, that is Bishop D’arcy’s original statement. It gets a little confusing, but later on Randall Terry (evidently) began to orchestrate some sort of ongoing protests at ND. (Presumably) the Bishop gave a response to that here: msnbc.msn.com/id/30155332/

Then Randall Terry responded, as I linked to in my previous post.

You can also so an exclusive interview with Bishop D’arcy about his decision not to participate in the commencement ceremony here: osvdailytake.com/2009/04/bishop-darcy-explains-notre-dame.html

Hi, I read your links to D’Arcy, but haven’t read Randall Terry’s statement. Will go back and do so. As to what I read Bishop D’Arcy didn’t say Catholics should be silent but,

“I urge all Catholics and others of good will to stay away from unseemly and unhelpful demonstrations against our nation’s President or Notre Dame or Father John I. Jenkins, C.S.C.”

This has also been the request of the Pro Life students involved in the demonstrations they have formed, the Rosary at the Grotto every night at 8:30, the 1,000,000 Rosary pledge for the intention of the present POTUS conversion to pro life and the Red Envelope campaign.

I don’t think Bishop D’Arcy has abandoned any Catholic, Catholic support, or Catholic teaching, in what he has said.

What is your impression?

 

[elts1956]

elts,

No, that is Bishop D’arcy’s original statement. It gets a little confusing, but later on Randall Terry (evidently) began to orchestrate some sort of ongoing protests at ND. (Presumably) the Bishop gave a response to that here: msnbc.msn.com/id/30155332/

Then Randall Terry responded, as I linked to in my previous post.

You can also so an exclusive interview with Bishop D’arcy about his decision not to participate in the commencement ceremony here: osvdailytake.com/2009/04/bishop-darcy-explains-notre-dame.html

Here are some excerpts from what Randall Terry said:

uch:
Now we have the quotes!
Anyone care to change their position on Mr. Terry?

VC

Oh brother, Terry really does like to speachify. I think he should have first checked with Bishop D’Arcy before opening HIS mouth. As I said in a previous post, Terry is NOT a member of the Magisterium.

 

[reggieM]

The question I would like answered is why the bishop told people not to protest BHO at Notre Dame? What authority does he have to issue the statement, and why should an abolitionist listen.

I think those are the questions that Mr. Terry addressed. Unfortunately, even very good bishops think it’s enough just to make a statement denouncing Fr. Jenkins. The bishop did not explain why we shouldn’t have a protest. He just issued that as a command. He should explain how and why a protest would hurt.

I’ve seen some Catholic apostolates attacking Randall Terry recently, calling him an attention-getter or rabble-rouser. But I don’t think they’re willing to admit that Mr. Terry’s passionate defense of life is having a huge and positive impact at Notre Dame.

Sadly, our bishops have been protected from the real conflicts that they should face. In this case, they really should pressure the superior of the Holy Cross fathers to bring some control on the Notre Dame university administration (and force some needed changes in leadership there).

I think Randall Terry is striving to do as much as he can as a layman - rightly citing Canon Law which protects the freedom of the laity to make their thoughts known to our shepherds and Catholic institutions.

As long as it is legal and peaceful, I can’t see how a protest hurts the situation.

 

[ez3714]

As a Protestant (well, a once-Protestant; I have no idea what I should be called now) I am quite familiar with grandstanders. These are people who are quite devoted to their god because they worship themselves. I am saddened to note that Catholics are not immune to this infestation.

I have read Bishop D’Arcy’s statements on not only this case but on others in the past dealing with the estimable Fr. Jenkins and with other schools in the diocese. The Bishops remarks seem firm, prudent, and betray no desire for the limelight. The contrast is glaring.

If Mister Terry desires to be a Bishop, I am certain that Bishop D’Arcy will render all the loving and patient assistance he can. That’s yet another example of how the Bishop is a better man than I.

 

[Freshman88]

It looks as though something as well-intended as the pro-life movement has the capacity to be turned into a blinding idol.