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JKirkLVNV
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Thanks for the clarification. I don’t think I’m going to get an answer.
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Rodrigo_Bivar
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Nah - in the end, it looks like she didn’t deserve me. Hehe.
Why am I an enemy of Pope JP II? I am merely telling the truth about Islam. The Church is not a dictatorship, you know. Everyone is allowed to say what they like.
Why should it be that I am defaming the Catholic Church by telling the truth about Islam? Have I written anything that St Eulogius of Cordoba would not have written? No. Have I written anything that St John of Damascus would not have written? No. Have I written anything that John, Bishop of Nikiu, would not have written? No.
Catholic saints, past, present, and future, have warned against the dangers and evil of Islam. Are they then enemies of the Catholic Church? No.
I am not here to win the hearts of Muslims. I am here to dispel the untruths propagated by Muslims in their efforts to either whitewash their cult or convert unknowing Christians into their diabolical faith.
I think I can match knowledge of Islam with any Muslim but thanks for the advice. You do not know my history so how do you make any judgment on my knowledge of Islam? I don’t think you can.
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nathann
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Yes you are an enemy of atleast Pope JP II and your are trying to derail what Pope JP II worked so hard for more than 2 decades of his life to bridge the gap between the Moslims and Catholics.
Do you know who said this:
"The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself, merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth (5), who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes great pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgement when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.
“Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this Sacred Synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.”
Do you also know what is the current stance of Catholic Chruch towards the Jews? Is it same as previously held view of Catholic Church? If not then why she changed it in recent years after more than a millenia? If the curent view is right then older views were false which have caused the killings of countless Jews, thier extermination and forced conversion for centuries. Not to mention what Adolf Hitler- a Catholic- did with six million German Jews in the 20th century.
The Church is most certainly kind of dictatorship whether you realise it or not. And not every Catholic is allowed to say what he/she likes to say. Remember Luther was once a Catholic. But when he said what he liked he was not anymore a Catholic.
So you are actually an enemy of Catholic Church. And you are here to defame the whole Church’s theology with your stupid baseless nonsensical arguments. Serious and sincere people will be laughing at your so called “knowledge” of Christianity and Islam.
Catholic saints of future have warned? how? LOL
What the past saints have said became meaningless (from Catholics persepective) when Pope JP II realised the damage done by the Church in the past with regards to the Jews. And what present Pope said in Germany too is meaningless because first of all he was merely qouting a past Emporer mindlessly (most probably because of politics of our day or he was forced to say those things in order to destroy all the valuable 2 decades long efforts of Pope JP II and to destory rapidly the very perishing Catholic Church).
So the current Pope licked his own spit when he appologised to the Moslims for his mindless speech at Germany University. But on the other hand his mindless effort has increased the curiosity to know Islam amongthe sincere serious Christians. Which means there will an another wave of a multitude of new reverts to islam from Christianity because Islam is already spreading faster than any other religion in the West with the sword of intellect/reason/logic.
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nathann
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Ofcourse they were enemies of the Catholoic Church thus Church has lost political grip centuries ago even on her own subjects. Ever since Christian countries/Christians rescued their necks from the bondage of “infallibility”, is there any Christian country now which is willing to go back and live under the bondage of Catholic Fundamentalists again? Ofcourse not. They hate Christianity so much that they will not even allow Biblical creationism taught to their kids in the schools, let alone the Polythiestic theology of Paul. So it is for Chruch to follow and submit to whatever anti-Bible “christians” dictate her thus there is no surprise to know that Catholic church eventually submit to the Darwin’s theory and accept it as more than an hypothesis. Why? because Chruch is on constant decline and perishing and no way to return to it’s past Dark Ages.
And did you forget the fact that in whole chain of very Popes there were people who later called as anti-Pope? Why anti-Pope? Were they not enemies of Catholic Church yet hold the “infallible” office of Papacy?
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Rodrigo_Bivar
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nathann,
Catholic saints are not enemies of the Catholic Church - after all, they are saints.
Chau,
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Catholic saints are not enemies of the Catholic Church - after all, they are saints.
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Rodrigo_Bivar
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nathann,
I will let the Catholics here decide if I am an enemy of the Catholic Church.
My point is that Catholic saint, past, present, and FUTURE will warn against the evil nature of Islam and its founder. I have no knowledge of the future but I’m sure this will be the case.
Secondly, Pope John Paul II is not the Catholic Church. I’m sure the present pope as well as the majority of Catholics hold or are beginning to realize the evil nature of Islam and its founder.
I will let the Catholics here decide if I am an enemy of the Catholic Church.
My point is that Catholic saint, past, present, and FUTURE will warn against the evil nature of Islam and its founder. I have no knowledge of the future but I’m sure this will be the case.
Secondly, Pope John Paul II is not the Catholic Church. I’m sure the present pope as well as the majority of Catholics hold or are beginning to realize the evil nature of Islam and its founder.
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pro_universal
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nathann, I commend you for trying, but I would advise for your own peace of mind that you not bother arguing with Rodrigo. He’s one of those “special” souls that already knows everything and knows that it knows everything.
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Rodrigo_Bivar
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Thanks for your vote of confidence, pro. If you do have any queries about Islam don’t forget to ask. I am always ready to help you, bud.
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exoflare
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LOL sorry but this takes the cake… Do you really believe what you’re saying? I don’t know what universe you’re living in, but if there’s anything I’ve found a Muslim is incapable of doing, it’s using reason or logic to validate their beliefs. “Reason” and “logic” to the Muslim are just different euphemisms for “Mohammed said so”.
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nathann
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Not every Christian is like you. Thus Islam is the fastest growing religion in world today and even in the USA.
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exoflare
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I rest my case. Your conclusion doesn’t even follow from your (subjective) premise here. Do you seriously even know what the definition of “logic” is?
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Rodrigo_Bivar
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The supposed rise of Islam in the West, in particular America and Europe, is mainly due to immigration, not conversion. Thus, it is due to the generosity of the peoples of the West, not due to any intrinsic attractiveness of the religion. Immigration can easily be turned off or reduced, particularly if Islam continues its shenanigans.
Secondly, immigration is a net zero-sum game - as it must equal emigration. More Muslims immigrating to the West means and equal number emigrating from Muslim countries.
Thirdly, it is said that about 75% of Muslim converts in America apostate within 5 years, when they come to their senses about the inherent characteristics of the religion.
Thus, the net conversion rate is very small.
Secondly, immigration is a net zero-sum game - as it must equal emigration. More Muslims immigrating to the West means and equal number emigrating from Muslim countries.
Thirdly, it is said that about 75% of Muslim converts in America apostate within 5 years, when they come to their senses about the inherent characteristics of the religion.
Thus, the net conversion rate is very small.
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nathann
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And what is right now in recent years, was right in the 90’s too, thus:
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exoflare
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And what a surprise, no evidence in that article of attracting converts “by the thousand” other than the story of that one poor lady. The only evidence out there is that Muslims repeat the “fastest growing religion” thing so often they have even fooled themselves into believing it.
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exoflare
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nathann, can you take a break from your spam-a-thon to think for a minute? Of course more people are buying that book… what makes you assume they all start converting to Islam? Most are reading it because they want to see just what it is that your cult even believes. Before 9/11, most Americans were completely ignorant of Islam and when they want to know more, of course they’re going to go to the source. I support such efforts 100% My friend himself just checked one out from the library last summer after this Muslim guy I knew started pushing his religion on us… He remarked to me how it was all sounded like just “the rantings of some crazy guy.”
Don’t assume everyone who reads the Quran somehow ends up taking the bait. This is just wishful muslim thinking.
Don’t assume everyone who reads the Quran somehow ends up taking the bait. This is just wishful muslim thinking.
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Rodrigo_Bivar
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nathann,
Muslims always inflate their numbers in the West as if religion is a popularity contest.
There are various estimates of conversion rates. I have read somewhere between 30,000 to 100,000 Americans convert to Islam per year. Now, even taking the high mark, out of 100,000 converts, only about 25% stay Muslim after 5 years - that makes the net conversion rate only 25,000 per year.
In a population close to 300 million, 25,000 is miniscule. Even 100,000 is pretty small by comparison. At this rate, assuming 0% apostacy you’d need 100 years to get 10 million converts.
Meanwhile the population of the US is growing. We get 1 million immigrants per year. That means the growth of the non-Muslim population will always outnumber the growth of the Muslim population.
Chau,
Rodrigo
Muslims always inflate their numbers in the West as if religion is a popularity contest.
There are various estimates of conversion rates. I have read somewhere between 30,000 to 100,000 Americans convert to Islam per year. Now, even taking the high mark, out of 100,000 converts, only about 25% stay Muslim after 5 years - that makes the net conversion rate only 25,000 per year.
In a population close to 300 million, 25,000 is miniscule. Even 100,000 is pretty small by comparison. At this rate, assuming 0% apostacy you’d need 100 years to get 10 million converts.
Meanwhile the population of the US is growing. We get 1 million immigrants per year. That means the growth of the non-Muslim population will always outnumber the growth of the Muslim population.
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nathann
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Generousity of the West now is not due to the Christianity but anti-Christianity attitude or faithlessness. And don’t forget many immigrants in the Europe are actually subjects of late Western colonisations…such as of late British Empire or French colonisation of Muslim countries.
So again you proved that you are an enemy of Catholic Church.
Just stopping immigration cannot stop the door of reverting sincere serious people of the West to Islam. Don’t forget that in the Western Universities Islam is being taught and will continue to taught anyway.
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