Raping non-muslim... Legal in Islam?

[pro_universal]

Thanks. I’ve learned a lot from that site, so I’m glad to hear that you find it informative, too. Granted it’s compiled by ex-Muslims and we all know how ex-Catholics’ sites can be inaccurate. But so far, I’ve not seen anyone convincingly refute the information at Islam Review.

Sure you have. You just label all such refutations lying.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Meedo answered the question directly right above you.

The answer was an unqualified “No.”

Right there for you all to see…

Where are all the folks claiming this issue was never to be answered?

I think the answer demands evidence why the proposition is wrong and why the previous posts (and their evidence) are wrong.

Just a flat ‘no’ is mere denial. And we know we’re not talking about a river in Egypt.

 

[Eden]

Hi Eden,

Yes, I just got back from the site. After watching Dr. Wafa Sultan’s videos, I couldn’t tear myself away from viewing a few more.
This poor woman is going to have to constantly look over her shoulder for the rest of her life. May Jesus Christ, God the Son, protect her and strengthen her.

In fact, she said she regularly receives death threats.

Here is just one more video:

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3168393246344024235&q=%22Wafa+Sultan%22&hl=en

This isn’ an exact quote, but near the end she says they can kill her, but they will never kill her message.

She does need prayers for protection.

God Bless you, my sister-in-Christ!

Thanks! May God bless you, too.

 

[inJESUS]

No, he never made such a law. This was the custom of the world at the time thousands of years ago. Islam through the Quran has pushed to free slaves. Many verses in the Quran support that . Now that the world doesnt have slavery then this custom is no longer to be praticed.

salam

wasn’t there a prescribed time of 3 months or smth before you can have sexual intercourse with a married woman slave?

 

[inJESUS]

By the way Nathaan, or Freedom or lately St.Augustine or whatever the other nickname you will take after being banned for the 6th time , the shaving between your legs, and dung and all your repeated posts where answered already in the past. If you keep repeating them, 1- you’ll be banned again and 2- you’ll prove what Islam does to the reasoning ability of some people.

to all, Nathann is a troll and he was already banned like 5 or 6 times . Don’t feed him, he’s a complete waste of time.

 

[Denise_Shae]

By the way Nathaan, or Freedom or lately St.Augustine or whatever the other nickname you will take after being banned for the 6th time , the shaving between your legs, and dung and all your repeated posts where answered already in the past. If you keep repeating them, 1- you’ll be banned again and 2- you’ll prove what Islam does to the reasoning ability of some people.

to all, Nathann is a troll and he was already banned like 5 or 6 times . Don’t feed him, he’s a complete waste of time.

Thanks for the warning.

BTW: How were you able to figure out he was using those other names? It’d be nice to know in advance before replying to whatever new name he back with.

Thanks and God Bless!

 

[nathann]

You believe anything you want. Jesus Christ went to save all of us from eternal damnation…including you…though, of course, any one can reject the gift. North Korean and all of this bul****have absolutely nothing, I mean aboslutely nothing to do with this—the same thing is always being said by the m,slims…up until now I have tried to be patient with your kind, but I say now, that if no muslim whatsoever can provide genuine proof that they are a peaceful lot, then their mosques need to be forever banned from this eart h until Christ’s return…and he will return…all of us will be judged…be prepared for his return.

Now that I am calmer, I will reiterate that I have been trying all along to see any sign of goodness in your religion. I see no evidence that this is the case. Prove it. Quote from the Quaran, this is my challenge to you. I will no longer presume alleged peacefulness /wo evidence. The have killed 14-year olds. Now show that this is not your way. Prove it.

But the problem World has faced and facing is not because of Moslems but because of most civilised Christians/Jews of the West or Communist/Christians of late Russia.

Did Moslem bomb the innocent civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Who kept West’s Christians in the bondage of “infallibility” in the Dark Ages of the West?

Is there any Christian country now likes to go back to Papacy’s “infallible” rule again?

Is there any Christian country which likes to even teach Biblical Creationism to their kids, let alone teaching all other stuff from the Bible?

Are Christians of the “civilised” West abondening their Churches because Moslems told them?

Did Moslems kill 6 million innocent Jews of civilised Germany?

Did Moslem kill native Red Indians of America before capturing their land?

How Christianity was imposed on the most Western countries?

Who was Mussoulini of “civilised” Italy?

Did Moslem force those two recent Ambassadors of Italy (to Saudi Arabia) to embrace Islam?

Did Moslem force Ambassodor of Germany to Morrocco to embrace Islam?

Who is responsible for the deaths of more than 40 million innocent civilians during Adolf Hitler’s “civlised” Christian reign?

Who waged the war against Afghanistan by invading their country and who encouraged Afghan fighters to drive out Communist Russians from Afghansitan? Who invited these Afghan fighters to the White House and honoured them as Mujahideen?

Why Serbs started killing innocent Bosnians all of a sudden and with whose support? And why the West did nothing until thousands of innocent Bosnians got killed/injured/dispersed/displaced?

Who ruined Vietnam and killed countless innocent Vietnamese?

Who used the most sophisticated and deadliest bombs such as Daisy Cutters/cluster/carpet to kill innocent Civilians of Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon…? Do you know how many innocent Iraqis have killed so far even according to the USA’s own recent report?

 

[nathann]

I think the answer demands evidence why the proposition is wrong and why the previous posts (and their evidence) are wrong.

Just a flat ‘no’ is mere denial. And we know we’re not talking about a river in Egypt.

You mean your Judeo-Christian God’s act of shaving the hair between your legs and spreading your own dung and dung of your sacrificed animals on your face is not in your Holy Bible?

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[Eden]

But the problem World has faced and facing is not because of Moslems but because of most civilised Christians/Jews of the West or Communist/Christians of late Russia.

Al-Qaeda is Muslim and they are a huge problem.

Did Moslem bomb the innocent civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Japan declared war on the United States on Dec. 7, 1941.

Who kept West’s Christians in the bondage of “infallibility” in the Dark Ages of the West?

The West in the Middle Ages actually had a flourishing of intellectual and artistic endeavers, under the auspices of the Catholic Church.

Is there any Christian country now likes to go back to Papacy’s “infallible” rule again?

Is there any Christian country which likes to even teach Biblical Creationism to their kids, let alone teaching all other stuff from the Bible?

I can see you have no idea what the Church teaches on these subjects.

Are Christians of the “civilised” West abondening their Churches because Moslems told them?

People who turn away from Christ do so under the influence of the devil.

Did Moslems kill 6 million innocent Jews of civilised Germany?

Have you read Rabbi David Dalin’s book, The Myth of Hitler’s Pope: How Pope Pius XII Rescued Jews from the Nazis? You should read the part about the fact** of “Hitler’s Mufti”. Yes, the **Muslim **Grand Mufti of Jerusalem spent the war years as Hitler’s guest in Berlin and advised and assisted the Nazis in carrying out Hitler’s Final Solution. Like I said, it’s a fact. Check it out for yourself.

 

[nathann]

I think the answer demands evidence why the proposition is wrong and why the previous posts (and their evidence) are wrong.

Just a flat ‘no’ is mere denial. And we know we’re not talking about a river in Egypt.

Do you recognise which religious book says the following:?

44 "Slaves, male and female, you may indeed possess, provided you buy them from among the neighboring nations.

45 You may also buy them from among the aliens who reside with you and from their children who are born and reared in your land. Such slaves you may own as chattels,

46 and leave to your sons as their hereditary property, making them perpetual slaves. But you shall not lord it harshly over any of the Israelites, your kinsmen.

and:

1 Those who are under the yoke of slavery must regard their masters as worthy of full respect, so that the name of God and our teaching may not suffer abuse.

and:

22 Slaves, obey your human masters in everything, not only when being watched, as currying favor, but in simplicity of heart, fearing the Lord.

and:

18 Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.

and:

22 Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord.

Now, you understand why Christians and Jews have embraced and are embracing Islam?

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[nathann]

Most of the labor in the commercial cities of first-century Asia Minor was performed by a working class of slaves. The sense of freedom contained in the gospel undoubtedly caused great tension among Christian slaves.

 

[nathann]

Al-Qaeda is Muslim and they are a huge problem.

So you believe in the fairy-tales of American policy(ies)?

 

[nathann]

Japan declared war on the United States on Dec. 7, 1941.

You mean if a fly entered your big castle then to kill that fly it is okay to burn down your whole castle?

And what happened to the slogans of “resist not evil” and “turn the other cheak”? Where and when these slagons are to be applied? Do you mean these are to applied in Heaven?

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[kellie]

nathann:

Do you recognise which religious book says the following:?

Quote:
44 "Slaves, male and female, you may indeed possess, provided you buy them from among the neighboring nations.

45 You may also buy them from among the aliens who reside with you and from their children who are born and reared in your land. Such slaves you may own as chattels,

46 and leave to your sons as their hereditary property, making them perpetual slaves. But you shall not lord it harshly over any of the Israelites, your kinsmen.

and:

Quote:
1 Those who are under the yoke of slavery must regard their masters as worthy of full respect, so that the name of God and our teaching may not suffer abuse.

and:

Quote:
22 Slaves, obey your human masters in everything, not only when being watched, as currying favor, but in simplicity of heart, fearing the Lord.

and:

Quote:
18 Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.

and:

Quote:
22 Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord.

Now, you understand why Christians and Jews have embraced and are embracing Islam?

The Book of Leviticus is not used now by Christians nathann.

Please research Christianity before quoting from the Bible.

Those laws in Leviticus were from God with His people in the Old Testament.

Jesus fulfilled the laws, and made a new Covenant with His people.

Jews still follow these laws I presume, but not Christians.

 

[nathann]

Have you read Rabbi David Dalin’s book, The Myth of Hitler’s Pope: How Pope Pius XII Rescued Jews from the Nazis? You should read the part about the fact** of “Hitler’s Mufti”. Yes, the **Muslim **Grand Mufti of Jerusalem spent the war years as Hitler’s guest in Berlin and advised and assisted the Nazis in carrying out Hitler’s Final Solution. Like I said, it’s a fact. Check it out for yourself.

LOOOOOOOOL

Are you out of your mind?

You think Hitler was stupid to have a Mufti on his side while killing 6 million innocent People of the Book when he was making his case against them from his very own faith in Catholic Christianity?

Have you read Israel Shahak’s books?

Luther when waged merely theological Jihad against Catholic church, he was EXCOMMUNICATED by your Catholic Church. But when Catholic Christian Adolf Hitler was busy in killing/gas-chambering 6 million innocent choosen people of God, Catholic Church didn’t even ex-communicate him from the Chruch. Why?

Did Luther kill 6 million Jews?

have you read Hitler’s own justification of his brutal acts of killing 6 million innocent choosen people of God?

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[nathann]

Eden,
Your signature says:

**Please support Fr. Jeffrey and his ministry on YouTube **

I wonder why you choose a certain Fr. Jeffrey and not Fr. Sean Fortune or even Fr. Sydney Griffith?

For details on Fr. Sean Fortune go to:

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/correspondent/1879407.stm

and:

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/correspondent/2681141.stm

 

[kellie]

LOOOOOOOOL

Are you out of your mind?

You think Hitler was stupid to have a Mufti on his side while killing 6 million innocent People of the Book when he was making his against them from his faith in Catholic Christianity?

Have you read Israel Shahak’s books?

Luther when waged merely theological Jihad against Catholic church, he was EXCOMMUNICATED by your Catholic Church. But when Catholic Christian Adolf Hitler was busy in killing/gas-chambering 6 million innocent choosen people of God, Catholic Church didn’t even ex-communicate him from the Chruch. Why?

Did Luther kill 6 million Jews?

have you read Hitler’s own justification of his brutal acts of killing 6 million innocent choosen people of God?

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nathann,

It appears you need to research some more of history and Catholicism.

Hitler was raised in a Catholic family, even being an alter boy at one stage.

However by the time he reached adulthood, and started planning his horrible leadership, he rejected Catholicism and Christianity.

Not a practising member of the Church, meant he didnt have to be ex-communicated, unlike Luther, who was still professing to be a member, but wanted to change stuff, and did, and formed his own church.

 

[Eden]

LOOOOOOOOL

Are you out of your mind?

You think Hitler was stupid to have a Mufti on his side while killing 6 million innocent People of the Book when he was making his against them from his faith in Catholic Christianity?

Have you read Israel Shahak’s books?

Luther when waged merely theological Jihad against Catholic church, he was EXCOMMUNICATED by your Catholic Church. But when Catholic Christian Adolf Hitler was busy in killing/gas-chambering 6 million innocent choosen people of God, Catholic Church didn’t even ex-communicate him from the Chruch. Why?

Did Luther kill 6 million Jews?

have you read Hitler’s own justification of his brutal acts of killing 6 million innocent choosen people of God?

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I don’t find the actions of the Grand Mufti something to laugh about.

“In 1937 the Grand Mufti expressed his solidarity with Germany, asking the Nazi Third Reich to oppose establishment of a Jewish state, stop Jewish immigration to Palestine, and provide arms to the Arab population.”

"While in Baghdad, Syria al-Husseini aided the pro-Nazi revolt of 1941. He then spent the rest of World War II as Hitler’s special guest in Berlin, advocating the extermination of Jews in radio broadcasts back to the Middle East and recruiting Balkan Muslims for infamous SS “mountain divisions” that tried to wipe out Jewish communities throughout the region.
At the Nuremberg Trials, Eichmann’s deputy Dieter Wisliceny (subsequently executed as a war criminal) testified:

• The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. … He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chamber of Auschwitz.
  With the collapse of Nazi Germany in 1945, the Mufti moved to Egypt where he was received as a national hero."

http://palestinefacts.org/images/mufti_husseini_hitler.jpg

The Grand Mufti and Hitler

palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php

 

[Eden]

As far as naming random criminal priests who abused children, unless you can show me where in the Catechism it says that it is O.K. to abuse children, your argument is pointless.

On the flip side, do you have to be reminded that Muhammed had a 6-year-old wife again?

 

[pro_universal]

As far as naming random criminal priests who abused children, unless you can show me where in the Catechism it says that it is O.K. to abuse children, your argument is pointless.

On the flip side, do you have to be reminded that Muhammed had a 6-year-old wife again?

St. Augustine’s wife was what, 11?

Talk about a double standard. The whole of christendom practiced young marriage until very recently. That you find this objectionable only proves that norms of marriage change with the wind, and that there’s no connection to ancient revelations in today’s judgments about them.