RAPTURE the end times prophecy that leaves the bible behind

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I just finished reading Rapture by a protestant convert to Catholicism named David B Currie. It in a nutshell said reading revelation through the lens of catholic church history, all of “end time” prophecy in revelation was fulfilled. He explains completely all of it, right down to Nero being the anarchist! So I see EWTN has an article by Colin B Donovan, that explains how these are future events to us this day! What is going on here, again confusion. (Not really David B didn’t miss a beat in his book)
 
He’s teaching amillenialism, which is the Church’s historical/common position. I don’t know about EWTN, but sometimes they go off the rails imo. Not sure about this.

But yes, Nero = NRN QSR = Neron Kaiser/Caesar adds up to Six Hundred and Sixty Six in Hebrew (which didn’t use numerals). It makes a lot of sense. Especially compared to whackjob theories these days… like “credit cards” or “Google”. lol
 
One other thing that I’ve noticed lately is some Orthodox are falling into the Protestant chiliastic pattern. They used to be largely like Catholics too, but now the end times subject is caught up and reinterpreted in a lot of modern day madness, replete with Nationalism (Russia/Greece being at the center point of major wars, etc…). Point being though, it seems like Nationalism is the common thread and red flag, when I see bad end times teaching. Americans do it too.
 
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We can not know the day or time, only God can.

Therefore any of these writers who think they know…

It’s not been fulfilled. We haven’t had judgement day, people are still dying . And God does not live with us in the New Jerusalem
 
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Roseeurekacross, you are correct about not knowing when the second coming and final judgment will be, but the early Christians new exactly what the sign of the times were and reacted accordingly. Read this book and you will understand what I am saying. It is awesome. And we are living in Jesus reign on earth! To say we are not, is to say the Eucharist is not The Christ!
 
Straycat, thank you for a response. I agree on all accounts. I was one of them, who read revelation and saw “everything coming to fruition!” What a relief and joy I have. I even see Catholics touting the Holy Father as the prophecied anti Christ! Even wondered it myself!?😯 knowing all that I’ve learned gives me a rejuvenated outlook on life and a new adherence (always had but a renewed and grounded) to Mother Church. “The gates of hell will not prevail”! I’ve wondered if I might lose faith in “those days”, especially when it is presumed anti Christ would be a pope. What a relief it is! God amazes me!!
 
There is an excellent book on this topic:

What Jesus Really said About the End of the World.

I highly suggest this book, and at $5, it’s not a big investment.

In essence, Jesus’s prohpetic words can be broken into three categories. Those things related to the immediate future (the destruction of the temple and the end of the OT sacrifices), those related to the far future (the second coming and the end of History), and those things related to both.

The passage where Jesus is talking about he end is an ancient literary device (I don’t reacll the name, sorry) where what’s being said essentially comes full circle. The first half and second half are mirror reflections in terms of subject. The first half deals with the end of the OT, and the second half deals with the end of the World. It’s really, really interesting to see it all laid out.

Also, it is not presumed that the anti-Christ will be a Pope. A lot of Protestants like to claim that, but their opinion might be a little biased…
 
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John wrote his Gospel at a time the early christians thought Jesus was going to come back.

Jesus did ask, during His Ministry, why His followers could not know or read the signs of the times. That contradicts your author.

Jesus is not back yet. We are still waiting. We live in the kingdom of God on earth if we choose to. There is also the kingdom of God in Heaven.
When we live under Jesus reign, everyone will be. Right now.
, most are living under the smoke of the devil, the devils running riot in their lives.

You are confusing concepts.

The pope is not the antichrist.

We are not at the end of the end times.
 
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We are not at the end times.
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We are in the end times. We have been since the resurrection. History is in it’s final phase. Whether that phase takes two thousands years, or two billion, is inconsequential to the fact that Christ’s sacrifice on the cross is the focal point of history, and the beginning of the end.

However, rather than worrying about any of this, just focus on the state of your own soul. That’s the only "end time* that really matters. If you’re prepared to die today, then it doesn’t matter if you die, or if the second coming happens.
 
Yes but are we there yet, no.
We are still on the journey.
We are not at the end of times.
I should have said that. ( fixed it)

Yes in the end times,
No, not at the end of the end times.
 
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However, rather than worrying about any of this, just focus on the state of your own soul. That’s the only "end time* that really matters. If you’re prepared to die today, then it doesn’t matter if you die, or if the second coming happens.
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This is exactly why I never understood my Baptist congregations’ obsession with the Rapture and interpreting prophecy. Even if their interpretation was right (it isn’t), Christ tells us we ought to be prepared for either our natural death or His coming.
 
Exactly.and our death leads to the next stage in our pilgrimage home to God
 
Besides, in the Greek, it’s “aeon”… which is more like “Age”, when Jesus or the Apostles use terms like “End of the age”. It’s why Jesus’ prophecy on the Mount of Olives also relates to him talking about Jerusalem and the temple being destroyed. This was the sign of the end of the age: The end of the Jewish Age. And Nero was at the center of it, against both Jews and Christians. Nearly all of the Apostles died by that point (except John), and many others killed and tortured. This was the tribulation warned about, if there ever was one. And also especially for Jews. It’s so far back in history, and we didn’t have TVs then, but Josephus describes what hell on earth it was at the time. And the number of deaths is only parallel to the Holocaust in modern times.

edit: And the fact that the Church went through all of this… and later calamities… and then managed to conquer the Roman empire eventually and Christianize the known world: That’s the kingdom of God at work there.
 
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I just finished reading Rapture by a protestant convert to Catholicism named David B Currie. It in a nutshell said reading revelation through the lens of catholic church history, all of “end time” prophecy in revelation was fulfilled. He explains completely all of it, right down to Nero being the anarchist! So I see EWTN has an article by Colin B Donovan, that explains how these are future events to us this day! What is going on here, again confusion. (Not really David B didn’t miss a beat in his book)
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There are various “layers” of fulfillment.

Currie discusses that concept in his book.

CCC 113-118 talks about these layers.

I’ve read Currie’s book and Donovan’s book and I just didn’t see any anti-thetical themes.

God bless.

Cathoholic
 
I made a mistake 2 posts ago. I talked about the fact that I read “Donovan’s book” on eschatology.

I was wrong.

The book I was alluding to was by Desmond A. Birch.

The book is titled, “Trial, Tribulation & Triumph Before, During and After Antichrist.”

http://www.queenship.org/product/Trial-Tribulation-and-Triumph-3411.html

Colin Donovan and Desmond Birch did a VIDEO series together though (and I have seen that too-at least a significant part of it).

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Video series (THE LAST THINGS IN TIME AND ETERNITY by Catholic author Desmond Birch and EWTN’s Colin Donovan) from EWTN . . . .

http://www.ewtnreligiouscatalogue.c...HE+LAST+THINGS+IN+TIME+AND+ETERNITY+-+DVD.axd

This EWTN video series was also very good and would likewise harmonize well with David Currie’s excellent book Rapture. The End Times Prophecy that leaves the Bible Behind (and Currie ALSO has an appendix on this subject in his great book, “Born Fundamentalist. Born Again Catholic.”)

Curry ALSO has this book on the subject . . .

(On sale now from our own Catholic Answers!)


But if I could only read one eschatology book from Curry, it would be the one that this thread alludes to.

 
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In Matthew 13, Jesus says, “Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.”

So, it’s the ones who are taken that are burned… not the ones who are left behind!
 
Gosh, I’m not sure if I understood Curries book correctly then. Because when I was finished reading it, i was convinced that anti Christ (Nero) had already fulfilled his roll. Hence my relief. But then, reading and listening to Desmond makes me believe he is still to come.
 
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