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Yes, people have labeled the series as a Cozy Catastrophe. (Warning: TV Tropes time sink!)

A bigger issue is that the Rapture doesn’t line up with Acts 1:9 or Rev. 1:7. Now, having said that, I have heard people assure us solemnly that Jesus couldn’t return at night or on a clear day because He left in the clouds, and night/sunny day would not be the same as we saw Him go!
 
Yes, Currie’s book was one of my first resources. For a 500-page book it’s well-organized and readable.

LaHaye’s version of the Rapture may be incredibly strict by non-rapturist standards, but by the standards of other rapturists he can be very liberal (such as by rapturing all children regardless of the Saved Status of their parents). For example, LaHaye’s *Left Behind *series doesn’t limit the number of saved Jewish characters in the Tribulation to 144,000. Instead, he posits 144,000 Jewish evangelists, plus who knows how many more Jewish (and Gentile) converts. And the 144,000 are converted largely by Moses and Elijah. (Yes, that Moses and that Elijah; they’re in the story.)

Carl Olson had a great quote from Abanes:
The inescapable theme permeating the messages of these prophesy pundits is clear: we are a special generation. Hence we as individuals must also be unique in God’s eyes. Every person alive has the distinction of being picked to see history’s culmination. Such a notion is much more appealing than the thought of having to work at a boring job for the next twenty or thirty years only to die in obscurity as billions of people have previously done. Many cannot resist believing that they stand at the pinnacle of history.
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–Abanes, End-Times Visions (page 316)
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–quoted in Carl Olson’s Will Catholics Be Left Behind (page 202)
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The quotes suggest that it isn’t just the excitement of rapture teaching. It’s also a kind of loneliness, I think. If you think you won’t be here, it can be scary to think of growing old, sick and alone if you weren’t prepared for it.
 
The_Old_Maid said:
Yes, people have labeled the series as a Cozy Catastrophe. (Warning: TV Tropes time sink!)

A bigger issue is that the Rapture doesn’t line up with Acts 1:9 or Rev. 1:7. Now, having said that, I have heard people assure us solemnly that Jesus couldn’t return at night or on a clear day because He left in the clouds, and night/sunny day would not be the same as we saw Him go!
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****If you hear that one again, point out that for half the world, it **will **be night when He appears!! :)🙂
 
adamhovey1988 said:
The word rapture, or the notion of a rapture popularised by John Nelson Darby?
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Catholic1954 said:
The rapture is a non-Catholic notion that at some time in the future, Christ will rescue his Church by bringing the faithful directly up to heaven and leave the rest of mankind behind to endure seven years of tribulation at the hands of the Anti-Christ and his minions. This is a separate event to the End of Time and the Final Judgement. The Catholic Church does not teach this.
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1 Thes. 4:17
From the Latin Vulgate
17 deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus

The English word rapture come from the Latin word “rapiemur” as found in the **Catholic Bible.
It means ** "we shall be snatched, we shall be grabbed, we shall be carried off"

Is it your view that the Catholic Church does not teach this?
Can you specifically state what the Catholic Church does not teach or believe in the below statements?

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God,
and the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain
will be caught up together
with them in the clouds
to meet the Lord in the air,
and so we shall always be with the Lord.
 
I can’t speak for the Catholic members here, but I’m guessing their apologists can. Most nonrapturists don’t disagree that we will soar into the air to meet our Lord when He comes. It’s the timing. Nonrapturists believe that we will fly, get our resurrection bodies & nature, get judged, and go to our eternal home on one-and-only-one Last Day.
 
The_Old_Maid said:
I can’t speak for the Catholic members here, but I’m guessing their apologists can. Most nonrapturists don’t disagree that we will soar into the air to meet our Lord when He comes. It’s the timing. Nonrapturists believe that we will fly, get our resurrection bodies & nature, get judged, and go to our eternal home on one-and-only-one Last Day.
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So whether it is a pre-, mid-, or a post-tribulation rapture; do Catholics believe in a rapture?
 
If the Lord asked you to stay behind to care for those still here, would you?
 
truthquester said:
If the Lord asked you to stay behind to care for those still here, would you?
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But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake.…

Philippians 1:23
 
Catholic1954 said:
The rapture is a non-Catholic notion that at some time in the future, Christ will rescue his Church by bringing the faithful directly up to heaven and leave the rest of mankind behind to endure seven years of tribulation at the hands of the Anti-Christ and his minions. This is a separate event to the End of Time and the Final Judgement. The Catholic Church does not teach this.
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you described a pre-tribulation rapture viewpoint
There are other views on the rapture: as many hold to a mid or post- tribulation rapture
 
GEddie said:
It also was not taught by anybody prior to the 1800s.

ICXC NIKA
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Can you specifically state what the Catholic Church does not teach or believe in the below statements?

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God,
and the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain
will be caught up together
with them in the clouds
to meet the Lord in the air,
and so we shall always be with the Lord.
 
I completely agree, we are definitely are one day closer my friend. 🙂
 
alwayswill said:
Can you specifically state what the Catholic Church does not teach or believe in the below statements?

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God,
and the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain
will be caught up together
with them in the clouds
to meet the Lord in the air,
and so we shall always be with the Lord.
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Honestly, always. The entire NT was written by, for, and about Catholics. There is nothing in it that is not Catholic. We just have a difference of understanding of what is written, because Catholics interpret according to the Teachings handed down by the Apostles. The Refomred Churches were separated from this Sacred tradition at the time of the Reformation.
 
alwayswill said:
???
1 Thes. 4:17
From the Latin Vulgate
17 deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus

The English word rapture come from the Latin word “rapiemur” as found in the **Catholic Bible.
It means ** "we shall be snatched, we shall be grabbed, we shall be carried off"

Is it your view that the Catholic Church does not teach this?
Can you specifically state what the Catholic Church does not teach or believe in the below statements?

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God,
and the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain
will be caught up together
with them in the clouds
to meet the Lord in the air,
and so we shall always be with the Lord.
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Here’s a good link.
catholicapologetics.org/ap090500.htm

Catholics do believe in this, but we call it “The Parousia” which is an ancient Greek word meaning presence, arrival, or official visit.

The article mentions the same verse you quote above, but we believe this event will take place as Christ returns.

Hope this answers your question.
 
Catholics follow Amillennialism meaning we don’t believe in a literal thousand year reign of Christ.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amillennialism

It would probably be inaccurate to say we don’t believe in a “rapture” though we don’t use the word. We just believe it is part of the physical return of Christ and not a separate event.
 
guanophore said:
Honestly, always. The entire NT was written by, for, and about Catholics. There is nothing in it that is not Catholic. We just have a difference of understanding of what is written, because Catholics interpret according to the Teachings handed down by the Apostles. The Refomred Churches were separated from this Sacred tradition at the time of the Reformation.
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The opening posts from this thread seem to indicate that Catholics do NOT believe in the Rapture: Did I mis-understand those posts?
 
alwayswill said:
The opening posts from this thread seem to indicate that Catholics do NOT believe in the Rapture: Did I mis-understand those posts?
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Catholics believe in the word translated in the Greek language as ‘rapture’ in its original meaning.
Not the meaning of the word as J N Darby or C.I. Schofield invented.
 
Son_of_Niall said:
Catholics believe in the word translated in the Greek language as ‘rapture’ in its original meaning.
Not the meaning of the word as J N Darby or C.I. Schofield invented.
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so you don’t believe in a pre-tribulation, or mid-tribulation rapture, but you believe in in a post-tribulation rapture?
 
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