Rationale for Universal Health Care

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While in reality it is usually and probably not this way, it may seem like people need to get a good-paying job in order to acess therapy and counseling for their issues and problems. How would you respond to this argument if it was presented as a reason for universal health care?
 
The pope has said Health Care is a human right, not just a right for those who can afford it.
 
From the ages of 18 to 32 I went without coverage simply because I couldn’t afford it. Thank goodness I didn’t need any emergency care.

A month after I graduated Uni and got a decent job, I had an emergency room visit. They couldn’t diagnose me, so I left untreated. The bill was $5,100 just for the hospital. Another $1,200 for the emergency doctor agency that was contracted to provide the physician. And there was another $800 that my plan paid for I don’t even know what. If this happened before I graduated, even working 50 hours a week, I would have lost everything. I still don’t have dental. Visits to that office wipe out entire weeks worth of my pay.

There are plenty of people that simply go without care because they can’t afford it. But, there are bad jobs (low paying hourly positions) that provide healthcare. So it’s not the case that ALL bad jobs do not . So you can respond by saying the argument is a generalization. What immediately comes to mind is that it’s seeming more and more the case that preventative care is what really saves lives and dollars. That sort of care seems to require a decent living, as far as I can tell.
 
CatholicHero said:
The pope has said Health Care is a human right, not just a right for those who can afford it.
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Pope Francis is well known for speaking freely without considering the ramifications. Think about it this way; are you telling me that people should be forced to go to medical school for years, residency and finally certification and that the medical industry should be forced to develop vaccines, serums and technology that can cure many types of illness all because some individual has a supposed “right” to be treated and hopefully cured of any ailments?

Whenever someone starts declaring that material things or the labor of others are personal “rights,” then we have moved into an entirely different sphere of conversation where there will never be a reasonable outcome.
 
Tim_D said:
Pope Francis is well known for speaking freely without considering the ramifications. Think about it this way; are you telling me that people should be forced to go to medical school for years, residency and finally certification and that the medical industry should be forced to develop vaccines, serums and technology that can cure many types of illness all because some individual has a supposed “right” to be treated and hopefully cured of any ailments?

Whenever someone starts declaring that material things or the labor of others are personal “rights,” then we have moved into an entirely different sphere of conversation where there will never be a reasonable outcome.
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I am saying that if someone is sick and poor it is our obligation to take care of them and not let them die in the street you silly man.
 
Tim_D said:
Pope Francis is well known for speaking freely without considering the ramifications. Think about it this way; are you telling me that people should be forced to go to medical school for years, residency and finally certification and that the medical industry should be forced to develop vaccines, serums and technology that can cure many types of illness all because some individual has a supposed “right” to be treated and hopefully cured of any ailments?

Whenever someone starts declaring that material things or the labor of others are personal “rights,” then we have moved into an entirely different sphere of conversation where there will never be a reasonable outcome.
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Having food to eat and having shelter are human rights. Would you say “Should a grocer set up a shop, a farmer grow crops and raise cattle, a building company build houses, all because some individual has a supposed “right” to them”?

Healthcare should be affordable for everyone. No one should be left ill or undiagnosed because they can’t afford medicine.The fact that there is a supposed first world country where that occurs is mind boggling. It’s really no different from saying they should be left starve and freeze to death if they can’t afford rent or food.
 
ShrodingersCat said:
Having food to eat and having shelter are human rights. Would you say “Should a grocer set up a shop, a farmer grow crops and raise cattle, a building company build houses, all because some individual has a supposed “right” to them”?

Healthcare should be affordable for everyone. No one should be left ill or undiagnosed because they can’t afford medicine.The fact that there is a supposed first world country where that occurs is mind boggling. It’s really no different from saying they should be left starve and freeze to death if they can’t afford rent or food.
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Who is to build your shelter to guarantee your rights? Who is to provide the land, the materials and the labor to make sure that your right to shelter is not infringed?
 
ucfengr said:
Does a Catholic doctor violate Catholic teaching when he charges for services?
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No. But if a man with no money needs treatment or life saving care and the Doctor does not treat him then he violates catholic teaching.
 
ShrodingersCat said:
Healthcare should be affordable for everyone. No one should be left ill or undiagnosed because they can’t afford medicine
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How many people do you personally know who can diagnose, treat and cure a brain tumor? Or leukemia? Or dementia? I am curious as to how you expect to provide these services to everyone as a “right” when it takes the private sector and people who personally choose to invest many years of their life in order to study, train and successfully practice medicine? If these people no longer give of themselves because some declare that their fees are too high or that they shouldn’t be able to make money from treatment, medicines or various medical equipment, then who is going to come forward to guarantee your “right?”

We in this country are very fortunate that we have an economy and a free enterprise system that allows the emergence and growth of the medical industry that can help people with horrible medical conditions. But don’t try and say that people in the Congo, where civil war brews and there is barely the most minimal conditions of the basics, have the “right” to everything that we have here.
 
CatholicHero said:
No. But if a man with no money needs treatment or life saving care and the Doctor does not treat him then he violates catholic teaching.
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Who said that he wouldn’t? The issue is whether or not medical care is a “human right.” Because the Holy Father says it is doesn’t make it so.

Does Catholic teaching tell us that everyone has equal access to things that are not available where they live?
 
Why are roads a basic right? Perhaps all roads should have tolls- even residential ones. Societies decide to pool their resources and provide certain services to all. In the entire developed world, with the exception of America, this includes health care. My wife is an immigrant to Canada. Her provincial health insurance kicked in one week before she went into labour:… And what a blessing that was as the cost of the emergency c-section etc would have drowned us.
 
Tim_D said:
We in this country are very fortunate that we have an economy and a free enterprise system that allows the emergence and growth of the medical industry that can help people with horrible medical conditions. But don’t try and say that people in the Congo, where civil war brews and there is barely the most minimal conditions of the basics, have the “right” to everything that we have here.
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And what do you want us to say?
 
twf said:
Why are roads a basic right? Perhaps all roads should have tolls- even residential ones. Societies decide to pool their resources and provide certain services to all. In the entire developed world, with the exception of America, this includes health care. My wife is an immigrant to Canada. Her provincial health insurance kicked in one week before she went into labour:… And what a blessing that was as the cost of the emergency c-section etc would have drowned us.
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Where do your rights start and another’s end? Who is going to pay for the healthcare of someone who can’t do it themselves? Or will the doctors be obligated to treat them free of charge? If you have a right to healthcare, wouldn’t that also mean you have the right to force others to provide you that right?
 
Thom18 said:
Where do your rights start and another’s end? Who is going to pay for the healthcare of someone who can’t do it themselves? Or will the doctors be obligated to treat them free of charge? If you have a right to healthcare, wouldn’t that also mean you have the right to force others to provide you that right?
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And who is saying this? Who in this thread is putting a rope around you or doctors’ necks?
Very very strange that you cannot recall that often times it is exactly the opposite.
One has to insist to pay and doctors will not accept a dime beyond what you can.
Very Very strange that service,freely chosen service is outside the radar.

How many researches from all over the world who even died poor we are gratefully gathering the fruits from?
Sometimes I think you really really believe we can make it alone…go figure…🤷
 
Tim_D said:
How many people do you personally know who can diagnose, treat and cure a brain tumor? Or leukemia? Or dementia? I am curious as to how you expect to provide these services to everyone as a “right” when it takes the private sector and people who personally choose to invest many years of their life in order to study, train and successfully practice medicine? If these people no longer give of themselves because some declare that their fees are too high or that they shouldn’t be able to make money from treatment, medicines or various medical equipment, then who is going to come forward to guarantee your “right?”

We in this country are very fortunate that we have an economy and a free enterprise system that allows the emergence and growth of the medical industry that can help people with horrible medical conditions. But don’t try and say that people in the Congo, where civil war brews and there is barely the most minimal conditions of the basics, have the “right” to everything that we have here.
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I would think, I don’t know for sure, that Pope Francis is referring to basic medical care. A physicians assistant treats people for common medical issues and doesn’t require as much schooling as a specialist.

I know of a young woman who is a Navy nurse and she worked in a medical facility while in Afghanistan. She said she was able to relieve some very common problems with minimal intervention, such as yeast infections, for women who live in that region.

I think this is the type of health care that should be available to all.
 
There is no reason why anyone in the U.S. should not have at least catastrophic health coverage. Unfortunately, the political solution they implemented not only makes it harder for those who can’t afford it, but harder for those who have jobs as their premium increases are greater than ever (as well as higher co-pays).

Sad situation that’s not going to get better anytime soon.
 
lax16 said:
I would think, I don’t know for sure, that Pope Francis is referring to basic medical care. A physicians assistant treats people for common medical issues and doesn’t require as much schooling as a specialist.

I know of a young woman who is a Navy nurse and she worked in a medical facility while in Afghanistan. She said she was able to relieve some very common problems with minimal intervention, such as yeast infections, for women who live in that region.

I think this is the type of health care that should be available to all.
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The best.
No one can deprive the best from their love to serve. Or whoever is willing to.
No one can deprive us from the love to freely give,no matter how small and insignificant.
Go asking who gives freely their time and talent and serve through what they know best?
Go asking who would not think that life is the least you can wish for other persons like you.?

I mean,this is real. The best of the best give their time and talent as freely as they have received it. This happens. You will probably find a lot in here raising their hands shyly up…But they do not make a fuzz out of it. It is just who they are.
 
ChurchSoldier said:
There is no reason why anyone in the U.S. should not have at least catastrophic health coverage. Unfortunately, the political solution they implemented not only makes it harder for those who can’t afford it, but harder for those who have jobs as their premium increases are greater than ever (as well as higher co-pays).

Sad situation that’s not going to get better anytime soon.
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Well,in this sense we may be in different places in a situation to better organize to better serve. Chaos helps no one,and universal does not mean chaotic. It is like there is room for improvement,isn t there?
 
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