RC Church becoming more Eastern?

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The_Sentry said:
Oh wow. The last time I was at an Orthodox church, there must have been 50 families who brought snacks and actual meals to the “coffee hour.” Put my old Anglican home parish to shame. 😃 Those Eastern guys get the job done. 😃
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We always have a full meal, pot luck, After fasting all night and standing for and hour and a half minimum, and looking at a long trip back home we’re hungry! Doughnuts and coffee ain’t gunna hack it. We have great food, including that our priest is a wonderful cook and he knows how to cook meat and shell fish properly! He made fabulous chicken mole this past Sunday. 🙂 I ate much of last week the left overs I brought home from the Russian Orthodox on Monday after making candles. We had their Sunday left overs for our lunch. When Father and I were the last ones left cleaning up the kitchen he made me take the rest home. It was fabulous coleslaw plus the pasta I had brought.

This seems to have strayed from the topic of this thread. 🙂
 
dvdjs said:
I wonder who founded the various parishes I linked to: exiles or immigrants?
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At least 5 of the parishes you linked to were founded by immigrants from Carpatho-Rus and Galicia. Sounds like working class to me…😃
 
dvdjs said:
Not surprising. It’s nice too see anabashed nash. On the other hand, back in the old country, I don’t see pews in the cathedral.

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What kind of parish is this? I notice they are hitting their breasts in the prayer before Communion.
Also, is that a blessing people are receiving when they go up and don’t receive Eucharist but the priest touches their head with the base of the chalice?
 
Dear sister 5loaves,
5Loaves said:
What kind of parish is this? I notice they are hitting their breasts in the prayer before Communion.
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I haven’t seen the video, but this action reminds me of what I saw in the Philippines during Mass there. I haven’t been to other Latin Masses around the world, only here in the U.S., but I haven’t seen that done in the Masses here in the U.S.

Interesting.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
5Loaves said:
What kind of parish is this? I notice they are hitting their breasts in the prayer before Communion.
Also, is that a blessing people are receiving when they go up and don’t receive Eucharist but the priest touches their head with the base of the chalice?
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This is the Greek Catholic Cathedral of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross in Uzhhorod.

Our prayer before communion is a little different than the Russian usage:
O Lord, I believe and profess that you are truly Christ, the Son of the living
God, who came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the first.
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Accept me today as a partaker of your mystical supper, O Son of God, for I will
not reveal your mystery to your enemies, nor will I give you a kiss as did Judas,
but like the thief I profess you:
Remember me, O Lord, when you come in your kingdom.
Remember me, O Master, when you come in your kingdom.
Remember me, O Holy One, when you come in your kingdom.
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May the partaking of your holy mysteries, O Lord, be not for my judgment or
condemnation but for the healing of soul and body.
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O Lord, I also believe and profess that this, which I am about to receive, is truly
your most precious body and your life-giving blood, which, I pray, make me
worthy to receive for the remission of all my sins and for life everlasting. Amen.
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O God, be merciful to me, a sinner.
O God, cleanse me of my sins and have mercy on me.
O Lord, forgive me for I have sinned without number.
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It had been the custom to strike our breast both on the each of the "Remember me… " phrases and on the last last three “O God” phrases. That is considered by some, who like to be on the look-out for such things, to be a clear-cut example of a Latinization. IMO, that is a rather ironic view, as the obvious influence, in the final passage is Luke 18:13 from the Gospel of the Publican and Pharisee. I think that this custom has lapsed in the US.
 
Dear brother Dvdjs,
dvdjs said:
It had been the custom to strike our breast both on the each of the "Remember me… " phrases and on the last last three “O God” phrases. That is considered by some, who like to be on the look-out for such things, to be a clear-cut example of a Latinization. IMO, that is a rather ironic view, as the obvious influence, in the final passage is Luke 18:13 from the Gospel of the Publican and Pharisee. I think that this custom has lapsed in the US.
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I found the following reference to the practice of striking the breast in an Orthodox parish

troparion.com/askfather.htm

Do you know anything about that particular parish? Is it Russian or Ukranian Orthodox? Is it possible that striking the breast is more a Slavic practice instead of a generally Byzantine one?

Blessings,
Marduk
 
mardukm said:
Dear brother Dvdjs,

I found the following reference to the practice of striking the breast in an Orthodox parish
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Priest Father Sergii Alekseev
Question: Saying the Communion Prayer, some cross themselves three times, others press themselves three times over their heart. Which is proper?
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Answer: It seems that the tradition of beating oneself on one’s breast (for this is what it is) during the prayer before the Communion is peculiar to our diocese. Apparently, it corresponds to what we read in the parable of the Publican and the Pharisee, where the Publican ’beat his breast, saying: “God, be merciful to me a sinner”’ (Luke 18:13). In the pre-Christian times, among other manifestations of one’s grief and contrition, the Jews would beat their breasts. For the Christians, placing upon oneself a sign of the Cross has become what for the Jews was striking of one’s breast. We shall leave it to you, dear inquirer, to decide what is proper.
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It is an ACROD parish. I wonder if this practice persists also in OCA (or MP) parishes that were started by Rusyns,
 
dvdjs said:
This is the Greek Catholic Cathedral of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross in Uzhhorod.

Our prayer before communion is a little different than the Russian usage:

It had been the custom to strike our breast both on the each of the "Remember me… " phrases and on the last last three “O God” phrases. That is considered by some, who like to be on the look-out for such things, to be a clear-cut example of a Latinization. IMO, that is a rather ironic view, as the obvious influence, in the final passage is Luke 18:13 from the Gospel of the Publican and Pharisee. I think that this custom has lapsed in the US.
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We make the sign of the cross at those points; I’ve seen this also in parishes other than St. Nick.
 
dvdjs said:
It is an ACROD parish. I wonder if this practice persists also in OCA (or MP) parishes that were started by Rusyns,
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I’ve been in ACROD and OCA parishes, and have not seen the beating of the breast in either. The sign of the cross is made instead. When I went to a Ruthenian parish, some of my friends beat their breast as during the God be merciful to me a sinner, but they were at the time Latin Catholics so it may have been their traditional preference for penitential expression.
 
It had been the custom to strike our breast both on the each of the "Remember me… " phrases and on the last last three “O God” phrases. That is considered by some, who like to be on the look-out for such things, to be a clear-cut example of a Latinization. IMO, that is a rather ironic view, as the obvious influence, in the final passage is Luke 18:13 from the Gospel of the Publican and Pharisee. I think that this custom has lapsed in the US.

It must be a Ruthenian custom because the parish I grew up in did this , that was back in the sixties.
 
5Loaves said:
What kind of parish is this? I notice they are hitting their breasts in the prayer before Communion.
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Many thanks to all of you who responded re: striking the breast. I’ve not been aware of it being done in the Russian or Greek EO parishes I’m in, but since I’d not be looking at other people at that time I can’t say it isn’t happening. It’s a gesture I remember well in the Latin Church as a frequent visitor there prior to the Second Vatican Council. It’s no longer in the rubrics in the Roman Rite Ordinary Form of the Mass but I do see a small group doing it in Latin Churches. And I noticed one of the concelebrating Dominican priests recently did it. It’s a gesture I have felt a desire to do and have done sometimes in Mass in a Latin Church.
Also, is that a blessing people are receiving when they go up and don’t receive Eucharist but the priest touches their head with the base of the chalice?
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What about this question? No one has responded to that.
 
Yes, the touching of the chalice to the head is one of the blessings for those unable to be fully communed; it can be seen as representing one placing oneself literally under Christ’s presence in submission. I’ve seen far more often a four-touch cross with the hand of blessing, the spoon having been placed into the chalice.
 
Aramis said:
Yes, the touching of the chalice to the head is one of the blessings for those unable to be fully communed; it can be seen as representing one placing oneself literally under Christ’s presence in submission. I’ve seen far more often a four-touch cross with the hand of blessing, the spoon having been placed into the chalice.
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How does the priest know they are coming for this blessing and not to receive Holy Eucharist?
 
5Loaves said:
How does the priest know they are coming for this blessing and not to receive Holy Eucharist?
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As they come forward, the head goes down, with chin to chest, and not back like a little bird.

Also, often, hands folded in the latin manner, rather than the byzantine.
 
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