RC Daughter dating GO, Our relationship strained

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That indeed my friends is my main reason for concern…and yes I take my faith very seriously and can only hope and pray my daughter does too!!
 
sure, let them get married. why not? he’s not Mormon, or Jehovah Witness… I mean, it could be much worse. Why not just be glad. Heck, GO? Sounds pretty solid to me.
 
dianeusa said:
That indeed my friends is my main reason for concern…and yes I take my faith very seriously and can only hope and pray my daughter does too!!
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I suppose you could come right out and ask the other family if they are interested in the possibility of your daughter converting to Orthodoxy … but then, besides the awkwardness, such a conversation would be fraught with possibilities for misunderstanding.

So perhaps a better way would be to ask how they feel about their son marrying a non-Orthodox. (Of course, if they respond with “Well, if they end up getting married then we assume she’ll become Orthodox” then you would definitely know where they stand! ;)) Or just wait and see if they say anything about it.
 
Let go and let God.
The amount that you can trust God in this situation can be stretched much further.

For all you know, they may get married, move somewhere, and go to an Eastern Catholic Church. God knows what the next 10 years will be and He’s there with them both. The truth is, your daughter may live to her 80’s and you won’t be there to see it. Time to practice trusting God who is always faithful.

Our Lady asked at Fatima to pray the Rosary to obtain the conversion of sinners and peace in this world. Take care of this request, and she’ll be looking out for your concerns.
 
Peter_J said:
I suppose you could come right out and ask the other family if they are interested in the possibility of your daughter converting to Orthodoxy … but then, besides the awkwardness, such a conversation would be fraught with possibilities for misunderstanding.

So perhaps a better way would be to ask how they feel about their son marrying a non-Orthodox. (Of course, if they respond with “Well, if they end up getting married then we assume she’ll become Orthodox” then you would definitely know where they stand! ;)) Or just wait and see if they say anything about it.
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Do not even consider that. Mind your own business about how they feel about who their son is dating. What an awkward position to put them in, and to be nice, they may feel like they have to say they love your daughter, but they will not appreciate such a question. It’s very meddling.
 
I would never ask the other family that at all but I will say his father was RC and converted to GO because of the mother so should this ever come to pass perhaps bf will leave his faith for hers. It all depends on how my D feels about all that at the time. I can’t get in her head. So all I can do is pray about it.
 
dianeusa said:
I would never ask the other family that at all but I will say his father was RC and converted to GO because of the mother so should this ever come to pass perhaps bf will leave his faith for hers. It all depends on how my D feels about all that at the time. I can’t get in her head. So all I can do is pray about it.
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I believe it is better that you ask a priest but the teachings of the Church does state that as long as a non-Latin Rite Catholic was baptized in the name of Christ they can be married with a catholic so the naysayers need to quell their over-zealousness. The recent popes have been eager in seeking a reunification with the Orthodox and even Metropolitan Tarasios visited our Pope to congratulate him on his enthronement. I agree with our Eastern Rite friend Gabriel Angel in that the modern Church teaches that the Eastern Catholics (aka Orthodox) teach no heresy. The discourse is in itself the primacy of the Bishop of Rome. I’m pretty sure that your local priest would react more acceptably for her to marry an Eastern Catholic than a protestant as we both share the same historical richness and lineages.

Pope Francis and the Orthodox

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cfG25 said:
… the Eastern Catholics (aka Orthodox) …
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Hi cfG25. You should revise your definitions between you drag some readers down into confusion. Eastern Catholic and Eastern Orthodox do not mean the same thing.
 
Does anyone honestly believe that outside the catholic church there is no salvation?? If you do then I have a bridge to sell you!! The kid is in love and not with a monster, with a guy who happens to be a follower of Christ as well. Be thankful he is not a fanatic non-christian. Give her your full support. Other than politics, (yes and plenty of it at the Vatican) and semantics, there is really no difference between the Greek Orthodox and us Catholics.
 
bigfrank13 said:
Does anyone honestly believe that outside the catholic church there is no salvation?? If you do then I have a bridge to sell you!! The kid is in love and not with a monster, with a guy who happens to be a follower of Christ as well. Be thankful he is not a fanatic non-christian. Give her your full support. Other than politics, (yes and plenty of it at the Vatican) and semantics, there is really no difference between the Greek Orthodox and us Catholics.
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Sorry but that is exactly what the RC church teaches. The exception is "invincible ignorance " whatever that really means. There are other threads that discuss this. Also in theology there is a lot of difference between Orthodox and Roman Catholic other than Papal issues.
 
Rdunbar123 said:
Sorry but that is exactly what the RC church teaches. The exception is "invincible ignorance " whatever that really means. There are other threads that discuss this. Also in theology there is a lot of difference between Orthodox and Roman Catholic other than Papal issues.
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If you want to discuss that, I’d like to see an actual quote, not just a paraphrase like ^^ this. (Of course, in that case you might also want to start a thread for it.)
 
dianeusa said:
Okay I get all your thoughtful posts and will do my best to keep my mouth shut! It’s probably best she is back at school now so the less I know the better. After all, he has not asked her to marry him! Plus as my recovering alcoholic husband tells me to recite and abide by the serenity prayer and take it a day at a time. Yesterday is gone and tomorrow never comes, I have to live in the present. I guess just venting and hearing comments that I agree with or not is helpful to me.
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Is it not true that the worst that could come of this relationship (on the available facts) is not very bad? You’ve said nothing about this man that warrants the trepidation you express.
 
Rau said:
Is it not true that the worst that could come of this relationship (on the available facts) is not very bad?
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I take it you mean that Catholic-to-Orthodox conversion is not very bad. (If you mean something else, please clarify.)

I can’t exactly say Yes *or *No to that, but I think this ought to be said: as a Catholic, I don’t want to see a fellow Catholic leave Catholicism, just like an Orthodox person does not want to see a fellow Orthodox leave Orthodoxy.
 
Peter_J said:
I can’t exactly say Yes *or *No to that, but I think this ought to be said: as a Catholic, I don’t want to see a fellow Catholic leave Catholicism, just like an Orthodox person does not want to see a fellow Orthodox leave Orthodoxy.
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Agreed. But I don’t believe anyone’s life, or afterlife, would be ruined by it.
 
Peter_J said:
If you want to discuss that, I’d like to see an actual quote, not just a paraphrase like ^^ this. (Of course, in that case you might also want to start a thread for it.)
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I"ll try again
Trent, Seventh Session, Canon 5 on baptism - If anyone says that the baptism which is given by heretics in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, with the intention of doing what the Church does, is not true baptism, let him be anathema.

St. Justin Martyr, 1.46 (c. 150 AD): “We have been taught that Christ is the first-begotten of God, and we have declared him to be the Logos of which all mankind partakes [John 1:9]. Those, therefore, who lived according to reason [Greek, logos] were really Christians, even though they were thought to be atheists, such as, among the Greeks, Socrates, Heraclitus, and others like them. . . . Those who lived before Christ but did not live according to reason [logos] were wicked men, and enemies of Christ, and murderers of those who did live according to reason [logos], whereas those who lived then or who live now according to reason [logos]are Christians. Such as these can be confident and unafraid” 2.10:" Christ… was and is the Logos who is in everyone, and foretold through the prophets the things that were to come, and taught these things in person after becoming like to us in feeling."

POPE PIUS IX, SINGULARI QUIDEM, 1856.
7. The Church clearly declares that the only hope of salvation for mankind is placed in the Christian faith, which teaches the truth, scatters the darkness of ignorance by the splendor of its light, and works through love. This hope of salvation is placed in the Catholic Church which, in preserving the true worship, is the solid home of this faith and the temple of God. OUTSIDE OF THE CHURCH, NOBODY CAN HOPE FOR LIFE OR SALVATION UNLESS HE IS EXCUSED THROUGH IGNORANCE BEYOND HIS CONTROL. The Church teaches and proclaims that if sometimes we can use human wisdom to study the divine word, our wisdom should not for that reason proudly usurp to itself the right of master. Rather, it should act as an obedient and submissive servant, afraid of erring if it goes first and afraid of losing the light of interior virtue and the straight path of truth by following the consequences of exterior words.

Pope St. Pius X Catechism, Question 132 - Will a person outside the Church be saved? It is a most serious loss to be outside the Church, because outside one does not have either the means which have been established or the secure guidance which has been set up for eternal salvation, which is the one thing truly necessary for man. A person outside the Church by his own fault, and who dies without perfect contrition, will not be saved. But he who finds himself outside without fault of his own, and who lives a good life, can be saved by the love called charity, which unites unto God, and in a spiritual way also to the Church, that is, to the soul of the Church.

Pope St. Pius X Catechism, Question 280 - If Baptism is necessary for all men, is no one saved without Baptism? - Without Baptism no one can be saved. However, when it is impossible to receive Baptism of water, the Baptism of blood suffices, that is, martyrdom suffered for Jesus Christ; and also the Baptism of desire suffices, which is the love of God by charity, desiring to make use of the means of salvation instituted by God.
 
Thanks, Rdunbar. Another quote you could have used is 846 of the CCC:
Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
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But the thing, many people focus so much on the fact that it makes reference to invincible ignorance that they don’t think about the rest of it. Consider the two sentences that come before it:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
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Clearly then, the part about refusing to enter it cannot refer to entering the Roman Communion (i.e. entering into full communion with the Pope) even though many people think it means that.

Ditto with this quote:
Rdunbar123 said:
Pope St. Pius X Catechism, Question 280 - If Baptism is necessary for all men, is no one saved without Baptism? - Without Baptism no one can be saved. However, when it is impossible to receive Baptism of water, the Baptism of blood suffices, that is, martyrdom suffered for Jesus Christ; and also the Baptism of desire suffices, which is the love of God by charity, desiring to make use of the means of salvation instituted by God.
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Again here, it doesn’t make Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus a matter of being in full communion with Rome.
 
I’ll have to admit, I think you’re very lucky. Your daughter is seeing a gentleman who frequently takes his girlfriend to be with his family! And this family has accepted your daughter enough as a fixture to give them a gift of dancing lessons (which typically are for a series of lessons meaning his sister is expecting them to stay together long enough to finish them).

At that age many young people are treating their girlfriends as something akin to a guilty secret and only letting them meet the family after a considerable amount of time has passed.

This sounds like a nice young man, from what you have said.
 
Peter_J said:
Thanks, Rdunbar. Another quote you could have used is 846 of the CCC:

But the thing, many people focus so much on the fact that it makes reference to invincible ignorance that they don’t think about the rest of it. Consider the two sentences that come before it:

Clearly then, the part about refusing to enter it cannot refer to entering the Roman Communion (i.e. entering into full communion with the Pope) even though many people think it means that.

Ditto with this quote:

Again here, it doesn’t make Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus a matter of being in full communion with Rome.
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Again why would anyone who truly believed the Catholic Church was the true one. Reject it? The only case I could think of would be a person who married outside the church and wouldn’t remain Catholic because of pressure from his spouse. If I truly believe d the Catholic Church was correct I would still be Catholic
 
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