RCC and Intinction

[Julia_Mae]

I learn something new everyday. I didn’t know we were ever to use intinction:

24. The General Instruction then indicates that the diocesan Bishop may lay down norms for the distribution of Communion under both kinds for his own diocese, which must be observed. . . . The diocesan Bishop also has the faculty to allow Communion under both kinds, whenever it seems appropriate to the priest to whom charge of a given community has been entrusted as [its] own pastor, provided that the faithful have been well instructed and there is no danger of the profanation of the Sacrament or that the rite would be difficult to carry out on account of the number of participants or for some other reason. (36)

In practice, the need to avoid obscuring the role of the priest and the deacon as the ordinary ministers of Holy Communion by an excessive use of extraordinary minister might in some circumstances constitute a reason either for limiting the distribution of Holy Communion under both species or for using intinction instead of distributing the Precious Blood from the chalice.

old.usccb.org/romanmissal/girm-norms-en.shtml

 

[Servulus]

Intinction is permitted. Where problems sometimes arise is in situations where the intinction is done by the individual communicant instead of by the ordinary minister. “Self-intinction” is strictly prohibited.

 

[ConstantineTG]

It would be great if intinction would be the norm in the RCC, and expand its usage to include deacons.

 

[anruari]

Interestingly I believe Intinction is specifically prohibited by the CBCEW (Bishops of England & Wales).

Here there is certainly an over use of EMHCs

 

[Brendan]

Interestingly I believe Intinction is specifically prohibited by the CBCEW (Bishops of England & Wales).

Here there is certainly an over use of EMHCs

Cardinal Arinze had noted, when he was prefect of the CDWDS, that it was an option ‘always and everywhere’

1. Sometimes, however, the high number of communicants may render it inadvisable for everyone to drink from the chalice (cf. Redemptionis Sacramentum, no. 102).** intinction with reception on the tongue always and everywhere remains a legitimate option, by virtue of the general liturgical law of the Roman Rite.** - Prot. n. 468/05/L

Perhaps the bishops were refering to Self Intinction, which IS prohibited.

 

[Corki]

It would be great if intinction would be the norm in the RCC, and expand its usage to include deacons.

+1 On both counts.

 

[Mrs_Sally]

Intinction is best done with the special vessals created for that purpose. I only know of one parish where the priest always distributes using intinction. He is a very reverant, holy man who gives great homilies also!

Without the special vessels (looks a bit like a cup in a large saucer), intinction by the priest with a deacon/EMHC holding the cup becomes a potentially very messy business.

 

[Cristiano]

I…Without the special vessels (looks a bit like a cup in a large saucer), intinction by the priest with a deacon/EMHC holding the cup becomes a potentially very messy business.

I tend to disagree with you on this. When I attend the Maronite Mass I do not see the use of or the need for a special vessel.

 

[Matthew_Holford]

Interestingly I believe Intinction is specifically prohibited by the CBCEW (Bishops of England & Wales).

Here there is certainly an over use of EMHCs

It is not prohibited. The English and Welsh bishops recommend that intinction is not used. If it is used the bishops emphasise that self-intinction is forbidden.

 

[Corki]

Without the special vessels (looks a bit like a cup in a large saucer), intinction by the priest with a deacon/EMHC holding the cup becomes a potentially very messy business.

It is no more potentially messy than with the intinction set UNLESS the directive to use a patten is ignored.

 

[Julia_Mae]

What I thought was interesting about it, is that with intinction, the communicant must receive on the tongue.

 

[Corki]

What I thought was interesting about it, is that with intinction, the communicant must receive on the tongue.

One parish I sometimes attend distributes Communion at daily Mass via intinction with an intinction set. When someone wants to receive in the hand, they simply extend their hands and Father does not intinct that particular host. It seems to be a good way to satisfy everyone.

 

[Julia_Mae]

One parish I sometimes attend distributes Communion at daily Mass via intinction with an intinction set. When someone wants to receive in the hand, they simply extend their hands and Father does not intinct that particular host. It seems to be a good way to satisfy everyone.

Excellent. I really like this, I wish it would become the norm.

 

[Mrs_Sally]

I tend to disagree with you on this. When I attend the Maronite Mass I do not see the use of or the need for a special vessel.

I have never been to a Maronite Mass. How is intinction done there? And what is the element of the bread made of, or look like. Is a patent used? Looking forward to learning something new.

 

[Mrs_Sally]

It is no more potentially messy than with the intinction set UNLESS the directive to use a patten is ignored.

I just am not envisioning how this works with two people standing up there around the priest (deacon with cup, server with paten) and then the person who is receiving.

With the intinction set, the server doesn’t need to move the paten and the priest doesn’t need to worry about jostling the deacon. But I’ve never seen it any other way.

 

[Corki]

I just am not envisioning how this works with two people standing up there around the priest (deacon with cup, server with paten) and then the person who is receiving.

With the intinction set, the server doesn’t need to move the paten and the priest doesn’t need to worry about jostling the deacon. But I’ve never seen it any other way.

I don’t know if there is a “rule” but I think the most logical way is for the deacon to hold both the cup and the paten.

With an intinction set, the server should still move the paten to follow the host from the set to the communicant. Same with a separate cup.

I know some people who feel the intinction set is bordeline not allowed according to the instructions since no one is holding the cup. But I think that if intinction became more “in demand” this could be cleared up with a simple request for clarification from the CDW. The only drawback I see is that, if there is a large number of Communicants, the set could get quite heavy for a priest to hold.

 

[Cristiano]

I have never been to a Maronite Mass. How is intinction done there? And what is the element of the bread made of, or look like. Is a patent used? Looking forward to learning something new.

Very similar to the Latin rite. The bread is in the form of wafers and it is consecrated on a paten that has a base/holder, the vine is consecrated in a chalice. The Deacon stands next to the priest while holding the chalice, no patens involved. Reception is while standing with your arms across your chest.

 

[ConstantineTG]

I don’t know if there is a “rule” but I think the most logical way is for the deacon to hold both the cup and the paten.

With an intinction set, the server should still move the paten to follow the host from the set to the communicant. Same with a separate cup.

I know some people who feel the intinction set is bordeline not allowed according to the instructions since no one is holding the cup. But I think that if intinction became more “in demand” this could be cleared up with a simple request for clarification from the CDW. The only drawback I see is that, if there is a large number of Communicants, the set could get quite heavy for a priest to hold.

They don’t need a huge one. The priest can always go back to the altar to get more Hosts.

 

[Mrs_Sally]

Very similar to the Latin rite. The bread is in the form of wafers and it is consecrated on a paten that has a base/holder, the vine is consecrated in a chalice. The Deacon stands next to the priest while holding the chalice, no patens involved. Reception is while standing with your arms across your chest.

Thank you. So then I assume the deacon could use the chalice sort of as a paten to ensure the intincted (wet) host doesn’t fall to the floor if it falls apart.

I realize that that isn’t likely to happen, but on the whole, the host isn’t likely to fall when communion is given in the usual way in the Latin rite either.

 

[Mrs_Sally]

I don’t know if there is a “rule” but I think the most logical way is for the deacon to hold both the cup and the paten.

With an intinction set, the server should still move the paten to follow the host from the set to the communicant. Same with a separate cup.

I know some people who feel the intinction set is bordeline not allowed according to the instructions since no one is holding the cup. But I think that if intinction became more “in demand” this could be cleared up with a simple request for clarification from the CDW. The only drawback I see is that, if there is a large number of Communicants, the set could get quite heavy for a priest to hold.

Interesting about the concern that someone be holding the cup. I had assumed that since the sets are produced specifically for this purpose that they had been approved at some point.