RCC Decision Not to Recognize LDS Baptism!

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The Mormons insist on re-baptizing ANYONE who joins their faith and a lot of dead people as well so I’m unclear as to why it would bother a Mormon that the Catholic Church doesn’t see LDS baptism as valid.:confused:
I think that it galls them that the Catholic Church, even though they call us “apostate”, recognises the fraud of mormon belief and refuses to dignify it with any kind of legitimacy.
 
It galls me that they go through everyone’s geneology and baptize so our deceased may be “saved”…What a nerve! some rabbi’s got together and told them to knock it off.Maybe we should do the same thing:thumbsup:
 
It galls me that they go through everyone’s geneology and baptize so our deceased may be “saved”…What a nerve! some rabbi’s got together and told them to knock it off.Maybe we should do the same thing:thumbsup:
Other than being offensive, it results only in a bunch of wet mormons.:cool:
 
It galls me that they go through everyone’s geneology and baptize so our deceased may be “saved”…What a nerve! some rabbi’s got together and told them to knock it off.Maybe we should do the same thing:thumbsup:
A lot of good that would do. Sadly, they continue to baptise dead Jewish people.

They even did it to Edith Stien.:eek:

And JPII the Great

Their arrogance knows no bounds.
 
I think that it galls them that the Catholic Church, even though they call us “apostate”, recognises the fraud of mormon belief and refuses to dignify it with any kind of legitimacy.
Me thinks they doth protest too much.

Sort of curious now that I think about it. Do the mormons pray for the dead, or are you on your own after they baptize you post mortem?

Personally I’d rather have my bones thrown to the dogs than having my name metioned anywhere a mormon dunking spot.

Btw I like your attitude. The Russias have a curse “may you live in interesting times.” Your seeing it as a blessing is, well, very Orthodox, in addtion to Latin.
 
A lot of good that would do. Sadly, they continue to baptise dead Jewish people.

They even did it to Edith Stien.:eek:

And JPII the Great

Their arrogance knows no bounds.
I understand that they mean well.

But I’d love to see the “gratitude” they receive from those on the other side that they “baptized.”

I’m quite sure John the Baptist’s greeting is "What the H— were you thinking?
 
I understand that they mean well.

But I’d love to see the “gratitude” they receive from those on the other side that they “baptized.”

I’m quite sure John the Baptist’s greeting is "What the H— were you thinking?
Dear Isa,

(in finnish this means grand (in this case referring to grand mother or Isa Aiti)

I think… My finnish is rusty.

Anyway, funny you mention my patron saint also. If it was not a catholic I was talking to I would be creeped out now.

What I find objectionable about this OP is a Mormon daring to complain how Catholics practice their faith, and yet the Mormons are totally callous to how Catholics, Jewish people, or others are feeling by this baptism of the dead ritual they do.

If they continue this practice knowing the emotional pain it inflicts on family members, how can they come to a Catholic forum and tell us how wrong we are for not recognizing their baptisms either of the alive or dead???🤷

Sorry, I am off to download September Dawn now.

Good day all
 
Dear Isa,

(in finnish this means grand (in this case referring to grand mother or Isa Aiti)

I think… My finnish is rusty.

Anyway, funny you mention my patron saint also. If it was not a catholic I was talking to I would be creeped out now.

What I find objectionable about this OP is a Mormon daring to complain how Catholics practice their faith, and yet the Mormons are totally callous to how Catholics, Jewish people, or others are feeling by this baptism of the dead ritual they do.

If they continue this practice knowing the emotional pain it inflicts on family members, how can they come to a Catholic forum and tell us how wrong we are for not recognizing their baptisms either of the alive or dead???🤷

Sorry, I am off to download September Dawn now.

Good day all
Funny, I just was posting on Finnish on the Eastern Church Forum, my usual lair. (Btw Isa is Jesus in Arabic when you’re naming your kid. It’s Yasuu’ when you are worshipping Our God).

My objections to the Mormon practice can only go so far as I “know that an idol is nothing in the world, and there is no other God but one” Sorry J.S. jr.

I try to honor the intent, because Lord knows the practice has nothing else going for it.
 
Funny, I just was posting on Finnish on the Eastern Church Forum, my usual lair. (Btw Isa is Jesus in Arabic when you’re naming your kid. It’s Yasuu’ when you are worshipping Our God).

My objections to the Mormon practice can only go so far as I “know that an idol is nothing in the world, and there is no other God but one” Sorry J.S. jr.

I try to honor the intent, because Lord knows the practice has nothing else going for it.
Just in reference to popular usage of phrases, I ask:
What road is it that is paved with good intentions?:confused:

Yes, Mormon intentions are in their viewpoint good in this case.
In spite of the pleas of people to ask them to stop the practice.

This is where it gets murky as to intent.

😦
 
Just in reference to popular usage of phrases, I ask:
What road is it that is paved with good intentions?:confused:

Yes, Mormon intentions are in their viewpoint good in this case.
In spite of the pleas of people to ask them to stop the practice.

This is where it gets murky as to intent.

😦
LOL. This is where my Orthodox charity prevents me from taking this to its logical (and unpleasant) conclusion.

I suspect that they have some 'splaining to do to some not so happy people on the other side, and they had better do a lot better job than they are explaining on this side.
 
LOL. This is where my Orthodox charity prevents me from taking this to its logical (and unpleasant) conclusion.

I suspect that they have some 'splaining to do to some not so happy people on the other side, and they had better do a lot better job than they are explaining on this side.
I agree with this and also think that it is the most charitable way to approach this very challenging topic.

Passions…

Lets be rid of them!😉

Nice to meet you Isa, I hope to see you around more often!
 
The Mormons insist on re-baptizing ANYONE who joins their faith and a lot of dead people as well so I’m unclear as to why it would bother a Mormon that the Catholic Church doesn’t see LDS baptism as valid.:confused:
It galls me that they go through everyone’s geneology and baptize so our deceased may be “saved”…What a nerve! some rabbi’s got together and told them to knock it off.Maybe we should do the same thing:thumbsup:
My father was one of 13 children. Of those, there were:( several who did not live to adulthood…My grandparents had them buried, but none of the older children, like Daddy, are left alive, who would have known where the graves were…
One of my cousins tried desperately to find them. He wanted to put a marker on their graves…No luck. Finally, one evening, he called me. (Why me, of all the cousins?🤷 I have no idea). He had one last chance to find them while the remaining siblings–his father, & an aunt (the 2 youngest children)-- were still living. “The Mormons may be able to find them”, he said, “but the ones I talked to, were honest & told me that when they were found, they would be ‘baptized’ Mormon. What do I do?”
I told him, “Go ahead & accept their help. Those little ones are safe in Heaven, & the Mormons cannot touch them”.
The children were buried together, in a little country cemetery, no marker. It was all our grandparents could afford…It has a marker now. Their siblings at last know where they are buried.

My cousin has never told his father, nor our aunt, about this part of the story. Because I know it, I know that he:mad: grinds his teeth when one of these elderly folk mention the “kind Mormon man” who helped find the grave.
Perhaps the man was “kind” after his fashion, but it galls me,too, that conditions were placed on finding the final resting place of lost loved ones. Mormons make me angry; they make me very angry indeed.
 
Personally, I think it is wonderful that Mormons spend time in their temples doing baptisms for the dead. The more time they waste performing ineffectual rituals for dead people, the less time they have to deceive real live people!
Paul
 
Which post was that?
It was the one where you advised him to chill out, as he was sputtering again. Was it a rum and coke you suggested to him? It’s now days later and I’m still cracking up. 👍

You know, he (zerinus-is that some BOM name? Sounds like another of those mythical civilizations…) is a zealot. So was Simon, only Simon had it right. You know, sooner or later he may accidentally READ one of the replies, break down and convert! :eek: Where’s the smiley for "not holding my breath?

Peace, my sisters and brothers.
 
Zerinus posted:
If that be a valid reason, then the RCC should also not recognise the validity of baptisms of pre-Nicene churches, because they were all subordinationists; nor of the Arians, because they didn’t believe in the divinity of Christ altogether, and denied that the Father and the Son were “of the same substance”. But they do.
I think it is fair to say that there are substantial differences in other areas. One has only to look at the mass rejection of Catholic doctrine and interpretation of Sacred Scripture by LDS and others, to see that differences are significant, which has implications for the Custodian of Scripture for the Sacraments conferred by those alleging to believe in the same Scripture.

I could for example set up my own Community, reject everything Catholic Church teaches but then say I believe every word she has written, therefore my ‘power’ to baptise is valid. But if I have effectively excommunicated myself from the teaching Magisterium then surely any authority conferred, is nullified by excommunication.

LDS in particular but also Mormonism and JW’s from what I have read, has been offensive and derogatory towards Catholic Church at the least and blasphemous at the extreme. How can Rome acknowledge Baptism conferred by a group who commit blasphemy?

For all her naunces, never have I ever read a single tract, paragraph sentence or phrase where the Catholic Church is offensive towards any non-Catholic group. Maybe there are lessons to be learnt for groups who would want to have the power to baptise, in how to live as well as worship in Christian life.
 
Hi Susan,

How does one talk like a baptized Catholic? I think Bart talks like himself and thats just fine. I probably shouldn’t speak for him, but I think he appreciates telling the truth; even about Mormonism. So if he see’s something that needs clarification or correction, he says so.

Peace,
ts
Essentially, that’s it. We Catholics need to at least argue from a good understanding of Mormon doctrine. Mormon theology didn’t turn me away from Mormonism as much as finding out the Book of Mormon was completely made up by people in the 19th century (probably Sidney Rigdon, Oliver Cowdrey and Joseph Smith working together). I don’t see why a Mormon would care that Catholics don’t accept their baptism since Mormons don’t accept Catholic baptism either. As I recall, Hinckley said as much when the Catholics declared Mormon baptism invalid.
 
Zerinus posted:

I think it is fair to say that there are substantial differences in other areas. One has only to look at the mass rejection of Catholic doctrine and interpretation of Sacred Scripture by LDS and others, to see that differences are significant, which has implications for the Custodian of Scripture for the Sacraments conferred by those alleging to believe in the same Scripture.

I could for example set up my own Community, reject everything Catholic Church teaches but then say I believe every word she has written, therefore my ‘power’ to baptise is valid. But if I have effectively excommunicated myself from the teaching Magisterium then surely any authority conferred, is nullified by excommunication.

LDS in particular but also Mormonism and JW’s from what I have read, has been offensive and derogatory towards Catholic Church at the least and blasphemous at the extreme. How can Rome acknowledge Baptism conferred by a group who commit blasphemy?

For all her naunces, never have I ever read a single tract, paragraph sentence or phrase where the Catholic Church is offensive towards any non-Catholic group. Maybe there are lessons to be learnt for groups who would want to have the power to baptise, in how to live as well as worship in Christian life.
I’d take issue with the last paragraph (Orthodox).

But the paragraph before it, what gets me is that they are soooo concerned about getting the approval of an institution they call apostate, blasphemous (actully infant baptism is so called in the BM), etc.

So question: if an apostate group, that you say teaches nothing but lies, validates your baptism, doesn’t that invalidate them.😛

As the Fathers say the curses of heretics are blessings and the blessings of heretics curses.

Btw in the Orthodox Church no Mormon is approaching our Table unless he gets wet first.😃
 
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