RCIA's Killing Me

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I really need help. In our RCIA class last week, the leader handed out excerpts of a book, *The Ten Commandments: Laws of the Heart *, by Sister Joan Chittister. Here are some of the author’s points:
  1. Scholars cannot agree whether Thou Shall Not Kill, means you shouldn’t kill or you shouldn’t murder. (I thought it was pretty well worked out.)
  2. Law grows, law changes. “It is when we teach laws as inflexible, rigid, and absolute that the law is destroyed.”
3)"We are inclined to forget that the commandments as we know them are simply guidelines . . . "

None of this makes sense to me. I believe God’s laws don’t change, they are absolutes. Also, I can’t imagine standing in front of my maker on judgement day saying, “Well, sure I remember that commandment, but I thought they were just guidelines!”

Am I wrong? Does this stuff make sense to any of you? Is this stuff what the Catholic church believes or am I in a rogue parish? Does anyone know anything about Sister Joan Chittister? Help!
 
If I were you, I would find a new parish for RCIA. Chittister is a know dissenter (i.e. CTA etc.)
 
Call your Bishop - then find another parish. And take as many people with you as you can and save them from such garbage. :mad:

God Bless you for questioning this.

~Liza
 
Well, on point #1, they may well be arguing that the death penalty is acceptable in some circumstances (an opinion that the Vatican has affirmed if keeping the prisoner alive may pose a grave risk to society). Also, killing in self-defense is allowed if there is absolutely no other choice. It may be situations like this that the author is trying to illustrate, although since I haven’t read the book, it’s tough to tell.

As for the other two points, they seem a bit sketchy to me.
 
Ramalama said:
CTA?
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CTA = “Call to Action”

“Call to Action (CTA) is an organization that advocates for a variety of causes within the Roman Catholic Church. Call to Action’s goals include women’s ordination, an end to mandatory priestly celibacy, a change in the church’s teaching on a variety of sexual matters, and a change to the way the church is governed.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_to_Action
 
Ramalama said:
I really need help. In our RCIA class last week, the leader handed out excerpts of a book, *The Ten Commandments: Laws of the Heart *, by Sister Joan Chittister. Here are some of the author’s points:
  1. Scholars cannot agree whether Thou Shall Not Kill, means you shouldn’t kill or you shouldn’t murder. (I thought it was pretty well worked out.)
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What do you care what “scholars” agree on? What does the Magisterium say?
  1. Law grows, law changes. “It is when we teach laws as inflexible, rigid, and absolute that the law is destroyed.”
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The only laws that are rightly utterly rigid are those declared infallibly true by the Church to be so. **ALL **other laws are to be tested for their sense in particular situations, and to make them “infallible truths” is to make them something that God says that they aren’t.
3)"We are inclined to forget that the commandments as we know them are simply guidelines . . . "
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If we know the Commandments in a way OTHER THAN as the Church “knows them”, then it is true that those personal interpretations of the Commandments ARE simply guidelines, and probably very bad ones to actually use.

All these “personal interpretations” by this sister are meant to deal with not “scaring away” relativist RCIA participants (or whomever the intended audience of the book is).

This is the **EXACT **sort of pandering to evil which hobbles the Church from becoming the powerful smaller remnant that it should be, instead of the dilute “inclusive (!?) community” that it now is.
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Ramalama said:
I really need help. In our RCIA class last week, the leader handed out excerpts of a book, *The Ten Commandments: Laws of the Heart *, by Sister Joan Chittister. Here are some of the author’s points:
  1. Scholars cannot agree whether Thou Shall Not Kill, means you shouldn’t kill or you shouldn’t murder. (I thought it was pretty well worked out.)
  2. Law grows, law changes. “It is when we teach laws as inflexible, rigid, and absolute that the law is destroyed.”
3)"We are inclined to forget that the commandments as we know them are simply guidelines . . . "

None of this makes sense to me. I believe God’s laws don’t change, they are absolutes. Also, I can’t imagine standing in front of my maker on judgement day saying, “Well, sure I remember that commandment, but I thought they were just guidelines!”

Am I wrong? Does this stuff make sense to any of you? Is this stuff what the Catholic church believes or am I in a rogue parish? Does anyone know anything about Sister Joan Chittister? Help!
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Chittister is a very controversial figure. I would ask your pastor why you are using her materials.
 
You don’t have to do RCIA
I didn’t do RCIA

It may take some asking around (and them some more ) but you can also do private prep one-on-one with a willing priest.

Perhaps you’d be willing to do that ? 🤷
 
Lhhs said:
You don’t have to do RCIA
I didn’t do RCIA

It may take some asking around (and them some more ) but you can also do private prep one-on-one with a willing priest.

Perhaps you’d be willing to do that ? 🤷
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That’s what I did too.

And yes, please stop attending these RCIA sessions. They are borderline heresy. Just ask people around here for some good parishes in your area.
 
It warrants speaking to the priest. I don’t know if you need to bail on the parish just yet. I was in a parish in which the priest was less than fully informed about the goings on in RCIA. And others are correct, RCIA is not a requirement. However, don’t throw this fact around like a chip on your shoulder. You just have to make a reasonable request for the Sacrament, demonstrate that you know what you are taking on and a properly disposed, and basically it can’t be denied.
 
Ramalama said:
I really need help. In our RCIA class last week, the leader handed out excerpts of a book, *The Ten Commandments: Laws of the Heart *, by Sister Joan Chittister. Here are some of the author’s points:
  1. Scholars cannot agree whether Thou Shall Not Kill, means you shouldn’t kill or you shouldn’t murder. (I thought it was pretty well worked out.)
  2. Law grows, law changes. “It is when we teach laws as inflexible, rigid, and absolute that the law is destroyed.”
3)"We are inclined to forget that the commandments as we know them are simply guidelines . . . "

None of this makes sense to me. I believe God’s laws don’t change, they are absolutes. Also, I can’t imagine standing in front of my maker on judgement day saying, “Well, sure I remember that commandment, but I thought they were just guidelines!”

Am I wrong? Does this stuff make sense to any of you? Is this stuff what the Catholic church believes or am I in a rogue parish? Does anyone know anything about Sister Joan Chittister? Help!
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Help is right. No that is not what the Church teaches. My advise is to find a Traditional Church in your area where you will be taught the true Catholic faith, and not a bunch of liberalism and heresies. If you post your city and state, I will do my best to find you a goof Priest.

I converted to the Church back in '98. I went to an RCIA orientation class at a local Church that I had been attended daily mass at. During the orientation the teacher said he was a liberal and disagreed with the Priest on a lot of issued… but that the Priest allowed him to teach what he wanted. That was enough for me…

I opened the phone book and thank heavens I was found a good Traditional Priest (a saint) who instructed me one-on-one. If you would like, I will do everything I can to locate a good Priest in your area to do the same with you.

If I were you, I wouldn’t step foot back in that class except possibly to say “no thank. Keep your liberalism. I’ll find another Church for RCIA”. That’s what these people need to hear.

If you will send me a pm, I’ll see what I can do to locate a Priest for you.
 
WanderAimlessly said:
If I were you, I would find a new parish for RCIA. Chittister is a know dissenter (i.e. CTA etc.)
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Absolutely right! Run from there. :eek: One book that tells you more about Chittister and her kind is Ungodly Rage, about the feminists, nuns and otherwise, who want to remake the Church into what they think it should be. That’s what they admit when asked why they don’t leave a Church they seem to hate.

So why would someone leading RCIA advocate a book by this kind of woman?!
 
Well, this CTA thing does sound a little crazy, although I would agree that priests don’t have to be celibate (I’m a Protestant). Other than that, it’s almost comforting to know that knuckleheads exist in the Catholic church just as they do everywhere else. However, question about RCIA – do you have to want to become Catholic to sign up for it and take the classes or do they allow anyone to just “audit” the classes so they can learn more about Catholicism?
 
romanquestions said:
Well, this CTA thing does sound a little crazy, although I would agree that priests don’t have to be celibate (I’m a Protestant). Other than that, it’s almost comforting to know that knuckleheads exist in the Catholic church just as they do everywhere else. However, question about RCIA – do you have to want to become Catholic to sign up for it and take the classes or do they allow anyone to just “audit” the classes so they can learn more about Catholicism?
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Yes, you can attend RCIA to learn more about the Church. Just find a parish that teaches properly; some use the “new” catechism, but I guess that by itself may not be a guarantee. Talk to the priest and see how loyal they seem to be to true Church teaching. After all, that is why people are in RCIA!
 
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Hmmmmm…

Do you mean, the same Sister Chittester:
Is she still claiming to be Catholic?

If you have other parishes within a country mile, see if they are using Chittester, McBrien or other such names to twist the faith to their liking.

Your other option is to come to Assumption Grotto, where the pastor himself provides an “Adult Catechism” for converts and anyone else wanting to learn more about the faith. All that he says can be checked against the Catechism of the Catholic faith and he knows how to handle curve balls.
 
Lux_et_veritas said:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a147/di_kor/chittister-wow.jpg

Hmmmmm…

Do you mean, the same Sister Chittester:
Is she still claiming to be Catholic?

If you have other parishes within a country mile, see if they are using Chittester, McBrien or other such names to twist the faith to their liking.

Your other option is to come to Assumption Grotto, where the pastor himself provides an “Adult Catechism” for converts and anyone else wanting to learn more about the faith. All that he says can be checked against the Catechism of the Catholic faith and he knows how to handle curve balls.
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You know what’s interesting is that you can usually tell, just by looking at these people, if they are liberals.
 
AltarEnthusiast said:
Chittister is a very controversial figure. I would ask your pastor why you are using her materials.
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BINGO! IMHO… If it seems inapropriate. try to fix it first. Amazing if an RCIA candidate has to point such things out to the parish RE director… Doh! You’re the sponsor, aren’t you? Sorry, one of those days that there is never enough caffiene. 🤷
 
Pax_et_Caritas said:
You know what’s interesting is that you can usually tell, just by looking at these people, if they are liberals.
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Yeah, we call it “hippy era Catholicism”

You’ve heard of “free love”

Well, there’s “free Catholicism”. That is, you just make it what you want it to be and turn it into RCIA material.
 
This is a site about dissenters of the Catholic Church.
ourladyswarriors.org/dissent/disspeop.htm

We have 1 nun left in our parish and she uses a book written by Chittester to conduct religious studies. I WON’T return to take anymore studies from her. :mad:

But, remember, we do need to pray for her and other dissenters!
 
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