Testing for COVID-19 is a lot more readily available now than even a month ago. The efficient thing to do now if exposed to someone who got sick would be to get tested for the COVID-19 to see you got infected or not (and not remain in the dark not knowing either way).
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ccmcmg
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If your sign in doesn’t match your registration in the parish, it will be rejected. Although I wanted to attend my parish Mass this weekend, I will not be subject to a government list to do so. It grieves me greatly. 
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PetraG
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What’s the parallel? When did the people in Nazi Germany suffer because they allowed their house of worship to have them on a list of attendees on a particular day (rather than, say, in a parish directory kept by the parish)?
Honestly, my parish already has a list with my name and contact information because I volunteer there. They have records of when we’ve given them money and how much and records of when we’ve volunteered. My children went to Catholic schools. The IRS can already audit me and look for deductions I’ve claimed for contributions to Catholic churches and charitable organizations. If some government comes in and seizes parish records to figure out who is Catholic, I’m already sure to be caught.
Keep the records, and when my opportunity to come to Mass comes around, give me a call! If someone at that Mass later tests postive for COVID-19, give me a call! If I’m more likely than the background risk to be a carrier, I need to know. I’m good with that.
So what if the government knows I’m a practicing Catholic? ¡Viva Cristo Rey!
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It is the idea that we are allowing fear and propaganda to run our lives to the point that we think this is a good idea.
The parallel is that it was seemingly innocent things like this, where most peope just give in and loose a little bit of liberty in the name of safety.
I live in NY and work in healthcare and can tell you, a lot of what you hear on the news has a bias and much of the reporting is not untrue, but filled with half-truths and has information deliberately left out because it does not fit an agenda.
The parallel is that it was seemingly innocent things like this, where most peope just give in and loose a little bit of liberty in the name of safety.
I live in NY and work in healthcare and can tell you, a lot of what you hear on the news has a bias and much of the reporting is not untrue, but filled with half-truths and has information deliberately left out because it does not fit an agenda.
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PetraG
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There is a lot of that now. Still, I kind of doubt that Boris Johnson’s government has a reason to make this stuff up. China didn’t want this to look bad. Everyone has their agenda, but this isn’t a fabricated crisis.
Again: my parish has names and contact numbers of far more people just to put on the annual church dinner. They have sell hundreds of raffle tickets with names and contact information provided on them. If we had evidence we had served tainted food, the parish would of course help the health department track down every last volunteer and every attendee they could.
Again: my parish has names and contact numbers of far more people just to put on the annual church dinner. They have sell hundreds of raffle tickets with names and contact information provided on them. If we had evidence we had served tainted food, the parish would of course help the health department track down every last volunteer and every attendee they could.
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A government list? It’s a list maintained by the parish. Your parish isn’t part of the government.If your sign in doesn’t match your registration in the parish, it will be rejected. Although I wanted to attend my parish Mass this weekend, I will not be subject to a government list to do so. It grieves me greatly.
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PetraG
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The parishes are keeping the Mass lists. They are being kept so the parish can assist in tracking outbreaks, if needed. The Archbishop isn’t making reports to the government about the attendance at Masses not associated with an outbreak.
Then you shouldn’t let your fear that this is some sort of slippery slope stop you from attending a Mass where this sign-up is required.
One shouldn’t live with that type fear, especially if it hinders one from otherwise attending a Mass.
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PetraG
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Certainly! The Archbishop is encouraging people in at-risk groups to wait, even though he acknowledges that some are among the most eager to get back to Mass.
I will probably wait myself, because of being in a household with an at-risk person. It is usually not a serious infection, but wow, is it miserable when it is! Some of us older couples even both die together, with families unable to properly gather for a funeral. Tragic, and alone worth limiting the transmission rate.
I will probably wait myself, because of being in a household with an at-risk person. It is usually not a serious infection, but wow, is it miserable when it is! Some of us older couples even both die together, with families unable to properly gather for a funeral. Tragic, and alone worth limiting the transmission rate.
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Smalltown, rural America, first open live mass. Father spoke form church entrance, we sat in our vehicles. Broadcast over an FM channel. Eucharist was distributed by ministers to the vehicles. Very nice to feel the community presence. Broadcast was poor (easy fix). Distribution of eucharist violated isolation and distancing.
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It will be used for ‘contact tracing’, per our metro. That’s for the government.
Not necessarily. One doesn’t know for one who’ll do the contact tracing. It could very well be a parish staff member told to notify those who attended a particular Mass.
And the list will be maintained by the individual parishes, not by a government agency.
But if if a list of those who attended a certain Mass was forwarded to the public health officials of the local government, so what? What’s wrong with that?
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PetraG
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The educational attainment of children can’t be put into stasis. They either gain or they lose. (This is actually one of the reasons less-affluent children gradually fall behind; that is, they tend to have fewer educational experiences over breaks than children with more affluent parents.)
Whether or not there will be school in the fall depends greatly on whether it is deemed safe for teachers who are older, diabetic, hypertensive, have heart conditions, etc. Yes, this is yet another time where better-educated parents with more options will do what they can to keep their children’s education on track, whereas parents with fewer resources will have a hard time keeping up.
Whether or not there will be school in the fall depends greatly on whether it is deemed safe for teachers who are older, diabetic, hypertensive, have heart conditions, etc. Yes, this is yet another time where better-educated parents with more options will do what they can to keep their children’s education on track, whereas parents with fewer resources will have a hard time keeping up.
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ccmcmg
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It’s unconstitutional for one. It’s not part of the Catholic Church, either. It’s contrary to our freedoms.
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I do not know where you are but you do not get tested in Minnesota without symptoms even if you live with someone who tested positive. They would never test everyone who was in a building with someone dozens of feet away.
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For it to be unconstitutional, it would take a court making that determination. There is no right to anonymity in the First Amendment.
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I’ll guarantee you right now that no court in the U.S. would find this type of list unconstitutional. None.
Think about it in these terms: it’s simply an RSVP list. How many fine dining restaurants require a reservation with your name and telephone number to dine at (even before COVID-19)? Those reservation requirements for some fine dining establishments have never been deemed unconstitutional. Neither will this requirement to be able to attend a Mass in the Archdiocese of Portland be ruled unconstitutional.
And it’s VERY much part of the Catholic Church since it’s being promulgated by an Archbishop of the Catholic Church. One can’t get more Catholic than that. Yes, it hasn’t be a requirement before but that doesn’t make it un-Catholic.
And yes, obviously it’s contrary to what you value as freedom. But you value as freedom isn’t necessarily what the Catholic Church values.
I’m from California. Here in California (population about 40 million) EVERYONE who lives in Los Angeles County (population about 10 million) will be able to get tested FOR FREE as part of the program to determine how widespread COVID-19 is in Los Angeles County. They need not show any symptoms of the virus.PeterT:
I do not know where you are but you do not get tested in Minnesota without symptoms even if you live with someone who tested positive. They would never test everyone who was in a building with someone dozens of feet away.
That shows that there’s no more a technical or logistic bottleneck in testing for the coronavirus since now so many private labs and pharmacies can now conduct the viral test to determine if one is infected with COVID-19.
Why Minnesota public officials are withholding the ability of people to get tested for the coronavirus? You’ll need to ask them about that (and hold them accountable). The capability and technology to do so is no longer a limitation (as it once was at the beginning of the pandemic).
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For anyone interested…
You really can make a quite effective mask…a bit of sewing ability and a tight weave fabric…double layered…with a coffee filter between the layers was rated at 85%. Vs N95 at 95%.
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You really can make a quite effective mask…a bit of sewing ability and a tight weave fabric…double layered…with a coffee filter between the layers was rated at 85%. Vs N95 at 95%.
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