Reading Scripture together as Christians

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I’d be happy to here Michael’s comments on the subject, because I have no idea what you are talking about. The Ephesians are clearly regenerated in both book’s (however it occured), but the Lord warns them in (Rev 2:4-5) that they are in danger of losing their salvation.

Do the Ephesian’s actions count for anything regarding their salvation?

If not, why is Jesus warning them?
How can you write that salvation is 100% of God and proclaim free will at the same time? 🤷 Doesn’t God need your free will cooperation to allow Him to save you? Isn’t the deciding factor for a Roman Catholic Christian to make it to Heaven left up to himself? Doesn’t the Roman Catholic Christian have the free will to partake in the Catholic sacraments with the exception of the infant?
 
Okay… so we know God is our Rock and not Peter. Now let’s discuss John 21. I’m not sure how you get apostolic succession with that. According to the author of John, he states that Jesus loved Him more than Peter. 🤷 It sure seemed that Peter was quite jealous of whom Jesus loved. 😉 . The most influential disciples are Paul and John… as it is written. Read the 13 epstiles of Paul and 5 books written by John. Then compare it with the two epsitles written by Peter and you will understand the truth (maybe).
Actually, by Mt 16:18-19, it’s quite clear Peter is the rock upon which Christ buitl His church; not sure how you get anything else out of what is written there.
As for Jn 21, it was Peter who was to shepherd Christ’s flock; the only way for Christ to ensure we, as part of His flock, is either to make Peter live forever, or ensure his authority stands forever.
**As for “influential,” as it is written, would you please tell me how many times “Peter” is mentioned in the NT, and how many times “Paul” is mentioned in the NT. ** We’ll give you time to do a word count on these!
 
Actually, by Mt 16:18-19, it’s quite clear Peter is the rock upon which Christ buitl His church; not sure how you get anything else out of what is written there.
As for Jn 21, it was Peter who was to shepherd Christ’s flock; the only way for Christ to ensure we, as part of His flock, is either to make Peter live forever, or ensure his authority stands forever.
**As for “influential,” as it is written, would you please tell me how many times “Peter” is mentioned in the NT, and how many times “Paul” is mentioned in the NT. ** We’ll give you time to do a word count on these!
To start with, check out the book of Acts. Peter is given the ministry to the remnant jew. And Paul is given the task to bringing the gospel to the rest of the world.

I did a quick word search and Peter is found 169 times and Paul 195. That’s an irrelevant stat anyways. Now Paul wrote 13 or 14 books of the Bible. And Peter wrote two very small epistles. So, what’s your point?
 
How can you write that salvation is 100% of God and proclaim free will at the same time? 🤷 Doesn’t God need your free will cooperation to allow Him to save you? Isn’t the deciding factor for a Roman Catholic Christian to make it to Heaven left up to himself? Doesn’t the Roman Catholic Christian have the free will to partake in the Catholic sacraments with the exception of the infant?
I’ll do my best to answer your questions, but I would like you answer mine.

Why is Jesus warning the Ephesians?

Rev 2:4
Yet I hold this against you: you have lost the love you had at first.
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Realize how far you have fallen. Repent, and do the works you did at first. Otherwise, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent.
 
I’ll do my best to answer your questions, but I would like you answer mine.

Why is Jesus warning the Ephesians?

Rev 2:4
Yet I hold this against you: you have lost the love you had at first.
5
Realize how far you have fallen. Repent, and do the works you did at first. Otherwise, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent.
There are so many warnings in the Scriptures, NT and OT. Paul and John writes these warnings as self-examinations to see if you are actually in the faith since so many have a false profession of faith. Check out 1 John. There are so many today who profess Christ that are not born from above (Catholic and Protestants alike). Do you see Revelation being addressed to churches as compared to individuals? There goes the One True Church idea, maybe?

2 Corinthians 13:5

Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!
 
How can you write that salvation is 100% of God and proclaim free will at the same time? 🤷
Because we cannot save ourselves, and God gave mankind free will (starting with Adam).
Doesn’t God need your free will cooperation to allow Him to save you?
No, God can save us without our cooperation. He is all powerful. But part of God’s sovereignty is giving man free will AND accomplishing His will. God is powerful enough to accomplish this.
Isn’t the deciding factor for a Roman Catholic Christian to make it to Heaven left up to himself?
No! We can’t get there left to ourselves.
 
Okay… so we know God is our Rock and not Peter.
Christ Himself called Peter the Rock.

Unless that was another thing changed (in the Bible) after the Reformation, hundreds of years after the Bible was put together & kept by Christ’s One True Holy & Apostolic Church…

?
 
To start with, check out the book of Acts. Peter is given the ministry to the remnant jew. And Paul is given the task to bringing the gospel to the rest of the world.

I did a quick word search and Peter is found 169 times and Paul 195. That’s an irrelevant stat anyways. Now Paul wrote 13 or 14 books of the Bible. And Peter wrote two very small epistles. So, what’s your point?
Your word count yielded 195 instances of “Paul” in the NT?
 
Okay, why do you think Jesus singled out Peter? Try to support your view with the Scriptures.

Luke 1:47

“and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior” - Mary
Oh, I love Mary. 🙂 Thanks for quoting her.

Why do I think Jesus singled out Peter? I was hoping you had an answer, but since you apparently don’t, I’ll do my best to answer that for you within the limited parameters you set:

First, in the New Testament, Peter is mentioned 155 times. The rest of the apostles–combined–are only mentioned 130 times.

If you will observe Matt. 10:2; Mark 1:36; 3:16; Luke 6:14-16; Acts 1:3; 2:37; 5:29, you will notice that he is listed first among the apostles. This is the inspired written word of God.

Matt. 17:20-27:
"When they came to Capernaum, the collectors of the temple tax approached Peter and said, “Doesn’t your teacher pay the temple tax?” “Yes,” he said. When he came into the house, before he had time to speak, Jesus asked him, “What is your opinion, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth take tolls or census tax? From their subjects or from foreigners?”
When he said, “From foreigners,” Jesus said to him, “Then the subjects are exempt. But that we may not offend them, go to the sea, drop in a hook, and take the first fish that comes up. Open its mouth and you will find a coin worth twice the temple tax. Give that to them for me and for you.”

In this story, we see that the tax collector approached Peter about Jesus. And that Jesus paid for both himself and Peter.

There are numerous verses where Peter acts as the leader among the apostles; I’m sure you are well aware of these.

Note also John 21:15-17. As we both recognize Jesus as the Shepherd, it appears here that Jesus is entrusting his flock to Peter to lead in his absence. As Jesus has not yet returned, Peter has had successors who similarly lead the flock in Jesus’s absence.

I think its also important to note this Old Testament parallel:

Gospel of Matthew, chapter 16, verses 13 through 19:

“Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, ‘Who do men say that the Son of Man is?’ And they said, ‘Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, others Jeremiah or one of the prophets’. He said to them, 'But who do you say that I am? Peter replied, ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God. You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God.’ And Jesus answered him, 'Blessed are you Simon Bar-Jonah for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven, and I tell you, you are Peter and on this Rock , I will build my Church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. I will give you the **keys of the kingdom of heaven **and whatever you bind on earth will have been bound in heaven and whatever you loose on earth will have been loosed in heaven.’” And then He strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that He was the Christ."

And this: Isaiah 22: 20-23

"On that day I will summon my servant Eliakim, son of Hilkiah;
I will clothe him with your robe, and gird him with your sash, and give over to him your authority. He shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

I will place the **key of the House of David **on his shoulder; when he opens, no one shall shut, when he shuts, no one shall open.

I will fix him like a peg in a sure spot, to be a place of honor for his family"

There are no coincidences in Scripture, I’m sure you’d agree.

I would refer you to the following for a more exhaustive account:
scripturecatholic.com/primacy_of_peter.html

God bless,

❤️ Love is Patient
 
Christ Himself called Peter the Rock.

Unless that was another thing changed after the Reformation, hundreds of years after the Bible was put together & kept by Christ’s One True Holy & Apostolic Church…

?
You are giving me Roman Catholic tradition. Check out the Bible because God is described as the rock at least 25 times.

gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=god+rock

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What’s the obsession with the rock man? I freely choose the God-Man over the rock man.
 
There are so many warnings in the Scriptures, NT and OT. Paul and John writes these warnings as self-examinations to see if you are actually in the faith since so many have a false profession of faith. Check out 1 John. There are so many today who profess Christ that are not born from above (Catholic and Protestants alike). Do you see Revelation being addressed to churches as compared to individuals? There goes the One True Church idea, maybe? !
I think He is refering to both the churches and the individuals.
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!
I hear what you are saying, but don’t understand how a test would make any difference if free will doesn’t exist.

Take God’s warning to Adam for example. If Adam didn’t really have a choice, then wouldn’t have God’s warning him not to eat the forbidden fruit be a meaningless threat?

If Adam weren’t free, he would have been forced by God to disobey the divine command, and any warning from God would have been irrelevant. This gets into the mystery of God’s sovereignty which includes, not excludes, our free will.

And we know that God is not a contradiction or a liar (Titus 1:2; Heb 6:18), so my question still stands. Why the warnings?
 
gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=paul&src=esv.org

In addition, we share the same NT canon. Therefore Paul wrote 13 or 14 books, and Peter wrote two small ones. So, what’s the point eveyone is trying to make? Peter over Paul? It sounds like a candy bar from my childhood.
The point is, it’s not about quantity! If Peter, or Paul, never wrote a letter (and Christ commanded them to preach, not write!), such would not diminish their authority and roles. You make too much out of the number of letters attributed to a certain author, leading one to believe you are a follower of Paul, not Jesus Christ.
 
You are giving me Roman Catholic tradition. Check out the Bible because God is described as the rock at least 25 times.

What’s the obsession with the rock man? I freely choose the God-Man over the rock man.
Catholics freely choose the God-man who has the power to empower a lowly fisherman as the rock upon which He will build His Church!
 
I think He is refering to both the churches and the individuals.

I hear what you are saying, but don’t understand how a test would make any difference if free will doesn’t exist.

Take God’s warning to Adam for example. If Adam didn’t really have a choice, then wouldn’t have God’s warning him not to eat the forbidden fruit be a meaningless threat?

If Adam weren’t free, he would have been forced by God to disobey the divine command, and any warning from God would have been irrelevant. This gets into the mystery of God’s sovereignty which includes, not excludes, our free will.

And we know that God is not a contradiction or a liar (Titus 1:2; Heb 6:18), so my question still stands. Why the warnings?
Adam prior to the fall was different than us. He was created without the fallen sin nature. Do you see the diffference? Adam was created with the free willl ability to obey God. We are like the fallen Adam before our union with Christ.
 
& the God-Man chose the rock man to be his right-hand man…

Christ said so Himself. It’s Biblical.
LOL…thanks for the laugh. Jesus is at the right hand of God the Father. 🙂 Protestants don’t need another right hand man or lady. 🙂

Luke 22:69

But from now on the Son of Man shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God.”

Acts 2:33

Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

Hebrews 1:3
He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

Hebrews 10:12
But when Christ[1] had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,

Hebrews 12:2
looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

1 Peter 3:22
who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
 
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