Real Idolatry in the Catholic Church

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Probably not a good idea to have done that but at least he made it to Mass. I don’t get to go because there are no buses, no Catholics, I don’t have a car and I’m disabled. I have no TV, just the internet to watch mass in NY. And I’m grateful. Still, I’m envious of the Deacon wearing a mask or not wearing a mask because he was able to physically GO to Church. I’m sorry for being envious, God.

And, I probably would have smiled if I saw the Deacon do that with the mask and take it off. Or be surprised. But, I wouldn’t think any more about it for I would have gotten into a meditative state as we should all do when Mass is being said no matter how it’s said. Years ago, I knew a Priest who would walk down the aisle and shake hands and say hello to people as he passed by. Then he turned around and said, "I hope “insert NFL Team here” wins. The Congregation laughed and then became silent as Father proceeded to say Mass.

I loved that Priest and so did everyone else.

Who are we to judge? I’m not. Let it go. I’m pretty sure the Deacon knows by now what a stir he caused and regrets it. Oh by the way…We are human and not perfect after all and we ALL make mistakes.

God Bless each of you.
 
No, we aren’t Puritans. No it isn’t wrong to enjoy life. The problem I see is that by consuming modern entertainment we are materially supporting an extremely corrupt moral culture. The entertainment itself promotes it as do the creators (actors, sports figures etc.). This has always been the case to some extent. But at least in the past we didn’t know about it. Now that we do should we be as supportive?
 
Well Canon law 907 says: in the Eucharistic celebration Deacon’s and laity are not permitted to offer prayers, especially the Eucharistic prayer, or to perform actions which are proper to the celebrating priest.

This is from the Catholic liturgical Library… The Eucharist and the Mass… General instruction of the Roman missal 4th edition
It is the layout of the Mass
According to that article the Deacon could do just about anything according to the rubrics.

In my parish the Deacon is always kneeling during the Liturgy of the Eucharist. He does not hold the Chalice the priest does that.

So which is right canon law 907 or the rubrics?
 
Read Canon law 907
In the Eucharist celebration deacons and laity are not permitted to offer prayers, especially the Eucharistic prayer, or to perform ACTIONS which are proper to the celebrating priest.

So lifting the chalice is performing and action according to canon law 907.
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You are supposed to make moral judgements like dog mask deacon doing a homily. If I were to say he was going to hell by doing that that’s where the sin comes in. Who’s grasping, I pointed out in scripture where Paul had talked to Peter about being a hypocrite.
 
This should be a no brainier. For someone who has devoted his life to Christ. Know what the Sacraments mean. Going through years of study at the seminary. They should be the ones to tell the laity. But I see more and more of someones stupid judgement it’s silliness
 
From the GIRM:
  1. At the concluding doxology of the Eucharistic Prayer, the Deacon stands next to the Priest, and holds the chalice elevated while the Priest elevates the paten with the host, until the people have acclaimed, Amen.
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You should diagram the sentence from the Code of Canon law.
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So which is right canon law 907 or the rubrics?
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The rubrics, because there is no contradiction. The final qualifier to the sentence is,“which are proper to the celebrating priest.” The GIRM is what tells us what is proper to the celebrating priest. The phrase between the commas ( especially the Eucharistic prayer) must be parenthetical, leaving the last phrase as a modifier to the whole. Knowing grammar, especially sentence diagramming) helps.

The deacon can offer prayers, as can the laity. Neither can offer prayers that are proper to the priest, as defined by the rubrics.
 
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http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P38.HTM

CODE of CANON LAW art. 1
The minister of the most holy Eucharist
Canon 907 in the Eucharistic celebration Deacon’s and lay persons are not permitted to offer prayers, especially the Eucharistic prayer, or to perform actions which or proper to the celebrating priest.

Now this is from the Holy See. From their webpage.
 
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How did this turn into a discussion of “what deacons do”? Your complaint was about the dog head mask. The deacon appeared to have been preaching a homily, which is something deacons are allowed to do.

You’re all over the map with this. You’re giving me the impression you just feel like ranting. Whatever. I’m out.
 
It seems kind of odd that a Catholic deacon would wear a dog head mask during Mass? What message was he trying to get across?
 
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That’s how much the church has changed. It’s not acceptable to do any of that.
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I don’t think anyone here has said it was acceptable. It was stupid, but it’s not idolatry. Give your blood pressure a break, hon!
 
You see for non Catholics that might be looking into our Church are for Catholics that are on the fence or doubting Catholicism. When this kind of stupidity shows itself for us that says that it is harmless really doesn’t know what kind of an impact it is making on someone.

I am not taking it to for when people will look at this and get the wrong impression. This is a slippery slope and it will happen again. If you read the rubics or Canon law. The Mass is a very sacred time we are on Holy Ground.

So this is a Holy Catholic Mass. Not a black mass because the head priest also uses an animal mask. So this can confuse people that are not familiar with our Catholic Worship.

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Uh, actually, deacons do raise the chalice while the priest elevates the host during the Great Amen at the end of the eucharistic prayer.

And as for Canon law 907, it states that Deacons cannot offer prayers such as the Eucharistic prayer. That is correct since it is during the Eucharistic Prayer that the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ, so Deacons cannot do this. But some actions can be done by the priest as well as the Deacon, such as give a homily during Mass, baptize babies, conduct a wedding, etc. The rubrics go into a bit more detail as to what the Deacon can do along with the priest. Elevating the chalice at the end of the Eucharistic Prayer is one of those things that a Deacon can do.
 
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It says in canon law 907 NOT permitted to do any ACTIONS which or proper for the celebrating priest

I know all what the rubrics teaches in the role of the deacon. I was a lay minister in the 80s I would give out holy Communion, when father would say this is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world Happy are those who are called to his supper. We as lay ministers who gave out the Blessed Sacrament would stand behind the priest and lift up the Eucharist at the same time the priest did. The priest and the deacon are the only two that belong in the sanctuary at the time of consecration or for that matter throughout Mass. I didn’t know it then and I don’t know why the Church allowed it. If anyone has an answer I’d like to know?

So you see Traditions change in the church. Like the one I mentioned. Like holding hands for the Our Father that might be here today and gone tomorrow, that can change but you cannot change Dogma. Pope Pius xii defines the Dogma of the Assumption…" These studies and investigations have brought out into even clear light the fact that the Dogma of the Virgin Mary’s Assumption into heaven is contained in the deposit of Christian faith entrusted to the church". This will never change.
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