Real Presence in other 'churches'?

[Neithan]

Some other denominations - such as Lutherans - believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, although their doctrine is somewhat confused. Although they do not have valid sacraments, is it possible - theologically possible - that the Holy Spirit could specially transubstantiate the bread and wine of a Lutheran, or Anglican, or Episcopal communion service into the Real Presence? Can we really say with confidence that this *never *happens?
Say for example an especially devout Lutheran in Norway has lived his whole life truly believing in the Real Presence, but is ignorant of the necessity for Catholic conversion; wouldn’t it be possible for God to fulfill his belief in an extraordinary way?

 

[ChrisRedfield47]

I dont think its ever possible since they lack valid apostolic succession/ordinations.

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

While we can never limit God or what He chooses to do, we can say that the only certainty of the Real Presence is through valid ordination with valid intent.

 

[Neithan]

While we can never limit God or what He chooses to do, we can say that the only certainty of the Real Presence is through valid ordination with valid intent.

Philosophically speaking, I guess of course anything is possible for God, but is there any doctrine that absolutely limits the Real Presence to ordinary consecration?

 

[Newbie2]

Gotta be careful…Lutherans and others do have valid sacraments…baptism.

Lutherans also do not believe in transubstantiation; they do not believe in the real presence as we Catholics do.

 

[Catholic90]

Gotta be careful…Lutherans and others do have valid sacraments…baptism.

Lutherans also do not believe in transubstantiation; they do not believe in the real presence as we Catholics do.

Some lutherans Most certainly DO believe in real presence. See LCMS.org.

 

[Newbie2]

Some lutherans Most certainly DO believe in real presence. See LCMS.org.

My wording was perhaps a bit confusing.

What I meant is they do not believe in transubstantiation, not that they do not believe in the real presence. We Catholics believe that the real presence is explained through transubstantiation, Lutherans do not attmept to define or speculate on how they receive the real presence. I used to be an LCMS Lutheran

 

[Bluegoat]

My wording was perhaps a bit confusing.

What I meant is they do not believe in transubstantiation, not that they do not believe in the real presence. We Catholics believe that the real presence is explained through transubstantiation, Lutherans do not attmept to define or speculate on how they receive the real presence. I used to be an LCMS Lutheran

Even within the Catholic Church, transubstantiation is taught these days in a way that pretty much is compatible with Lutheran and Orthodox and Anglican understanding. And of course the Eastern Catholics don’t use the idea of transubstantiation.

 

[Warrenton]

Even within the Catholic Church, transubstantiation is taught these days in a way that pretty much is compatible with Lutheran and Orthodox and Anglican understanding. And of course the Eastern Catholics don’t use the idea of transubstantiation.

This is an often overlooked, but excellent observation.