Real Wine?

[Verbum_Caro]

benedictgal,

How about the other issue?

When you said

benedictgal:

at the fraction rite, if you notice, the priest places a small particle of the Sacred Host into the chalice filled with the Precious Blood. This is the moment when the Body and Blood are reunited, the Resurrection, if you will.

I pointed out that this is not the moment when the actual body and blood of Christ are reunited, because they were unified at the moment of consecration (of the bread or wine).

Because Christ lives now, when the priest consecrates now, the living Christ (body and blood) is always made present.

Again, though, perhaps I’ve been misunderstanding you.

VC

 

[Joyful_Catholic_1]

I have only been visiting this site for a few months now, but it sure seems like a lot of nitpicking going on. I find that I’ll see a thread that interests me, read a few good posts that reference the original post or question, then the next thing I know, everyone is arguing about the tiniest little point. Maybe it’s just me, but I find all this emphasis on minutiae is sucking the joy right out of the faith! If I was of another faith and considering converting to Catholicism, these forums would scare me off. Please consider this when responding to a new or potential member of the Church. And to all the new Catholics and non-Catholics, please know that the majority of us try to emphasize the joy and peace our faith brings us, and don’t dwell on theological details.

 

[Footwasher]

Bless you for asking these questions. If you do not understand something, that is what the forums are for!

As for the Eucharist, it does not matter whether you only take the bread, if you only take the wine, or you take both. The bread and wine both contain the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus. In my case, I like to partake of both the bread and wine whenever I can. However, since I am in the choir, many times I can only take the bread because the wine is gone. It doesn’t matter, though, because any consecrated bread or wine contains the whole of Jesus.

The word"contains" is the defining word of Martin Luther’s heresy of (name removed by moderator)anation as opposed to the catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation which means that the bread and wine do not contain, but ARE the Body and Blood of Jesus. Thank you for being there.

 

[Footwasher]

Bless you for asking these questions. If you do not understand something, that is what the forums are for!

As for the Eucharist, it does not matter whether you only take the bread, if you only take the wine, or you take both. The bread and wine both contain the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus. In my case, I like to partake of both the bread and wine whenever I can. However, since I am in the choir, many times I can only take the bread because the wine is gone. It doesn’t matter, though, because any consecrated bread or wine contains the whole of Jesus.

I like where you are, but the word "contains"bothers me as it is the operative word in Martin Luther’s heresy of "(name removed by moderator)anation"which is opposed by the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation which declares that the bread and wine do not contain, but ARE the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus. Thank you for being there

 

[bpbasilphx]

\I was not aware of the Catholic Church using real wine until my Dear Husband explained it to me, I was used to a substitiute (Grape Juice). However my experience with Communion was different then I anticipated, I can say it was not a bad feeling. So I guess my question is has the Catholic Church used real wine since the beginning or has this come about in recent years?\

**The prereformation Churches (East as well as West) have ALWAYS used fermented wine.

It is only in the USA after a Methodist temperance preacher named Welch figured out how to pasteurize grape juice that SOME (not all) Protestant Churches have used it.

Think a minute: what will freshly squeezed grape juice ALWAYS do without refrigeration, pasteurization, or preservatives? There are only two things it can do, and nether of them is remaining grape juice.

In fact, if you squeeze grapes, what do you always get?

If you say grape juice, you’re wrong.

You always get WINE because fermentation starts immediately because of the natural yeasts that float through the air and land on the skins!**

 

[michaeldaniels]

I am shocked when I hear lots of things that are not being taught in RCIA…and in some cases, the heresies that ARE being taught…and we wonder why we have fallen away Catholics

P.S. I am shocked this didn’t come up during RCIA.

 

[peary1]

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I have just celebrated my one year anniversary as a Catholic, Last Saturday was a busy day for me so I went to church because I knew I might not make it on Sunday and so part of my anniversary at Holy Communion I decided to take both bread and wine ( body and blood) when I recieved the wine I realized it was real wine, I was not aware of the Catholic Church using real wine until my Dear Husband explained it to me, I was used to a substitiute (Grape Juice). However my experience with Communion was different then I anticipated, I can say it was not a bad feeling. So I guess my question is has the Catholic Church used real wine since the beginning or has this come about in recent years?

The Catholic Church as well as the orthodox churches have used real wine since the very beginning. It is also mandated by Canon Law. Jesus used real wine at the Last Supper. He also turned water into real wine at the marriage feast in Cana.

I was surprised that this was not covered under RCIA. Most protestants don’t use real wine, but they use grape juice, thanks to Mr. Welch.