Reality Check: Are you an obedient Catholic, or an unfaithful heterodox?

[edwinG]

slinky1882:

edwin,
I have seen enough of your posts that you are aware that Catholics believe the Magesterium is guided and protected by the Holy Spirit. So when Catholics adhere and listen to the Magesterium, they are listening to the Holy Spirit just as those who heard Paul preach orally heard the words of truth come out of an earthen vessel. True, Paul was taught by Christ, but not only Christ. Paul himself states that he was a student of Gamaliel when talking to the Jews and he learned from Christians and the Apostles. And the Holy Spirit can give directions to the Magesterium just like you mentioned the Holy Spirit did with Paul. The Holy Spirit can work through the Oral Tradition as well as the Written Tradition (i.e. the Scriptures) and the Magesterium. The guidance of the Holy Spirit doesn’t need to be either/or but can be both/and. Unless you are saying that the Holy Spirit cannot work through the Magesterium as through Paul (and I do not believe you are trying to say that). Thanks and God Bless.

Hi slinky1882,
Yes I am aware that catholics believe that the magesterium is guided and protected by the Holy Spirit and therefore Catholics go to the magesterium.
That is why I keep asking. Why go to the magesterium. Why does anyone prefer the magesterium to going directly to God. He wants you to go directly to Him. Why dont you obey Him on this issue. The curtain was torn. God lives in you, Christ lives in you, the Holy Spirit lives in you, and leads you. Just because you cant see Him, doesnt mean He doesnt exist. Believe it. There is no need for your magesterium. Why would God who is living in you, His temple, want you to ignore Him and go to a group of men who are the same as you, men, to find out what He is saying to you, when they can’t hear what God is saying to you. Only you can hear what He wants you to do today, at 1:15pm as you walk through the door at work. The Holy Spirit is an individual, speaking to YOU about particular work Christ wants you to do. Does every Roman Catholic have a pager connected to the magesterium so that they can be on 24 hour call to answer and obey the command of the Christ.
I dont think so and neither do you. But you need 24 hour access. He has woken me up at all times to speak to me. And He wants you to listen to Him as well.
You agree Christ did this, you agree Christ is fully human
Paul was taught by the Holy Spirit, he was fully human
The men in your magesterium can do this, they are fully human
Did God make you inferior
You have God, Christ and the Holy Spirit living in you - you agree with this
Do you think God has instituted a plan for you which is too difficult for you?
Walk in love
edwinG

 

[edwinG]

slinky1882:

Hey,

I try to follow the Churchas instituted by Christ. I fall and need Grace as I stumble through my own way of the cross. I try to be orthodox (faithful), but ultimately, I sin and the act of sinning is heterodox in nature. So, I seek the Lord on my knees and through the Churhc built on the Rock.

And edwin could you elaborate on this line:

**You could free yourself of so much sin by not believing in all the rules because it is those rules which convict you.
**

How can one make sin disappear thorugh ceasing to believe in the rules of Morality??? Take an atheist who believes that everything is relative in morality. If an atheist should choose to stop believing or never believein the Ten Commandments or the Two Greatet Commandments from the NT, would the person be “free … of so much sin” and cease to be convicted??? Thanks and God Bless.

Hi slinky1882,
Well, I am not sure of your rules, but I think you have one pertaining to the eating of meat on Fridays. Anyhow if you dont lets pretend this is one of your rules.
If you eat meat on Fridays you sin, because you believe this is a God given law.
The law makes you feel guilty.
If I eat meat on Fridays it is not sin.
Your law does not make me feel guilty.
However if I was with you, being mindful, I would not eat meat in your presence on a Friday. But I ask, why make your life difficult - tied up in rules when Christ came to set you free. In Him all rules are fullfilled. Live in Christ, He has authority over all rules, even the Sabbath. Obey the Holy Spirit and it is impossible to sin. Impossible.
If I say dont think of an Elephant, you think of an elephant
If I say, dont think of pink water, you think of pink water.
Laws create negative thoughts.
Think positive follow the Holy Spirit
follow the Holy Spirit
follow the Holy Spirit.
see, no elephants, no pink water etc.
Man, you just have to believe that Christ is capable of saving you and follow the Holy Spirit. Obey Christ, He died so the Holy Spirit would come and you are turning away this gift and obeying men because you cant believe God is capable of having you obey the leading of the Holy Spirit.
Is an athesist following the Holy Spirit?
By the way, do you do kind of work on the sabbath, Saturday?
I do and I am not guilty, because I follow the Holy Spirit, but if you follow the magesterium I suppose you are continually breaking Gods laws. Do you confess this every time you go to confession. I
I hope my words are opening the door so you can see Christ’s love and freedom for you.
walk in love
edwinG

 

[edwinG]

st_felicity:

nor am I wearing a hair-shirt,.

Hi st_felicity,
What’s a hair-shirt?

I think you have a faulty understanding of the role of the Church. The “rules” (as you call them) are not a dictum from the Church. Things such as required Mass attendance are simply clearly defined guides. Because the Church points out to her members that choosing to serve self and forgo church services rather than spend an hour once a week worshipping God is objectively selfish and therefore sinful–the Church is not laying down some kind of “rule” to control her members–She is offering wisdom and guidance. I appreciate the clarity. I challenge you to name a “rule” of the Catholic faith that is not in reality moral wisdom and motherly guidance–ALL directed toward offering back to God the good that he has given us.

I feel if anyone attended Church one day a week because of the guideline of the church, their worship would be unacceptable, because the heart is in the wrong place. What do you think?
I dont know your rules, but I dont have any per se. God’s laws are written in my heart and in my mind, His word, Christ , is revealed in Holy Scripture, and He dwells in me and the Holy Spirit leads me. Are there any guidelines or rules of the church which cause you to stress, or cause you to sin. If there are, that sin is unnecessary. That guilt is a burden Christ does not want you to have.
.

I’m really not sure what you are saying here…I don’t receive any kind of telegram or e-mail laying out my schedule for the day…that’s silly. How is asking a minister any different than asking a priest? Really, what is your point?

This is the most important aspect. This is the fulcrum of all that I am saying. Once you understand this, ( I’m sorry for my poor explanations) the rest will start to fall into place.
The Holy Spirit is always with you, imagine Him as walking beside you, but you can’t see Him. He has complete knowledge, being God, and so He sees a little lost child across the road. So He says to you, cross the road at the intersection and you follow and He says, go down that lane, and you go and see a little child crying. Then you understand why He was leading you here. You talk to the child and take appropriate action.
You are God’s servant here on earth, asked by the Holy Spirit to do His loving work. Only He has the wisdom how best to do the work and when and where. Only the Holy Spirit can lead you to do Christ’s will. You are not connected to the magesterium. The magesterium can not direct you, just give you rules or guidelines.
The Holy Spirit **leads, **to situations in the physical, to truth in life.

Again–“rules”? Name them. Denying that something is sin releases me from sin? No. That is not so. That is like saying if there is no written law against something immoral, it really isn’t wrong. Not so. It is not the “rules” that convict me, it is the objective truth of the sin itself. Do you not agree that if one is capable, OBJECTIVELY, it is sinful to choose to not go to worship the Supreme Creator at least one hour a week. Do we not owe Him worship? Is it not pleasing to Him to see his creatures offer themselves back to Him in service? Would it, then, not be wrong to choose to serve my own whim, or laziness, or weakness and refuse to give back a tiny portion of his gift of life by attending a service to honor him? How is that a “rule” that convicts me, rather than an objective truth of my sinfulness that convicts me?

Believe me, following the lead of the Holy Spirit has nothing in common with being lazy or selfish or weak.
IT is totally impossible to follow the Holy Spirit ( GOD) and not obey, worship and sacrifice to Him. Cant you see that. Totally impossible. In Christ every law is fullfilled. If you follow the Holy Spirit you are obeying every law, every law, not by being aware of what they are ;just by being obedient.
We are His children. Would our Father tell His child to do some sinful thing and then punish Him for doing it. You can not sin by following Him, impossible.
walk in love
edwinG

Are you sure you are following Him to the best of YOUR ability by the grace that God has given you?

Peace.

P.S. I hope it’s just a spelling slip—but two times you posted D-E-M-O-N-inations instead of D-E-N-O-M-ination…careful there… I did it too…but I fixed it…don’t want to give anyone fuel for their fire!
LOL, I do this so often, and I have to keep proof reading. I am an atracious speller and typost.
Yes the only fire we want around here is Holy Fire.
Thanks for drawing my attention to this error.
walk in love
edwinG

 

[edwinG]

Trelow:

I’m sorry but with assent to the teachigns of the Church there is no middle ground. You either believe each and everything the Church teaches or you don’t.

One can believe and still struggle with sins and questions. But You must accept the authority of the Church no questions asked. To deny a teaching of the Chruch or have an obstinate doubt concerning the same is heresy.

Either you are orthodox or heterodox, there is no quasidox.

Hi Trelow,
What is the Roman Catholic stance on the Sabbath?
walk in love
edwinG

 

[edwinG]

Trelow:

yup.

They Church does not make up these rules, She simply informs us of them. They hold true for all peoples regardless of their professed religion.

Hi Trelow
The church is Christ’s body, He also being the head. Do you think He is the author?
Walk in love
edwinG

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

edwinG:

Hi slinky1882,
Yes I am aware that catholics believe that the magesterium is guided and protected by the Holy Spirit and therefore Catholics go to the magesterium.
That is why I keep asking. Why go to the magesterium. Why does anyone prefer the magesterium to going directly to God. He wants you to go directly to Him. Why dont you obey Him on this issue. The curtain was torn. God lives in you, Christ lives in you, the Holy Spirit lives in you, and leads you. Just because you cant see Him, doesnt mean He doesnt exist. Believe it. There is no need for your magesterium. Why would God who is living in you, His temple, want you to ignore Him and go to a group of men who are the same as you, men, to find out what He is saying to you, when they can’t hear what God is saying to you. Only you can hear what He wants you to do today, at 1:15pm as you walk through the door at work. The Holy Spirit is an individual, speaking to YOU about particular work Christ wants you to do. Does every Roman Catholic have a pager connected to the magesterium so that they can be on 24 hour call to answer and obey the command of the Christ.
I dont think so and neither do you. But you need 24 hour access. He has woken me up at all times to speak to me. And He wants you to listen to Him as well.
You agree Christ did this, you agree Christ is fully human
Paul was taught by the Holy Spirit, he was fully human
The men in your magesterium can do this, they are fully human
Did God make you inferior
You have God, Christ and the Holy Spirit living in you - you agree with this
Do you think God has instituted a plan for you which is too difficult for you?
Walk in love
edwinG

We are supposed to be obediant Christ said that too,if we do not hear the Church we aren’t hearing Him.God Bless

 

[edwinG]

#1 you must understand that the Church teaches the FULLNESS of Truth as revealed by God.
#2 you must understand that the Truth is God’s Truth and not a teaching of “man”.
#3 You must recognize that masterbation is objectively wrong.
#4 You must willfully decide YOUR version of the truth is what you assent to follow rather than God’s Truth.
#5 You must willfully pursue your own will rather than God’s will.

Then it is heterodox…Only you and God know–He knows your heart.

Hi,
This sharp line is without mercy. The Holy Spirit will convict when the time is right and He also is patient. All things in God’s time. Being a Christian is not an absolute enabler instantly. See the rules bring condemnation and with this guilt and pain and suffering. Only satan wants this. All this is from satan. In God, in His time all sins are washed away to those who choose to obey. A person who turns to Christ is not instantly obedient. It is His strength- not yours - in His time- not yours. And you MUST learn this lesson. No one goes to Christ saying, I conquered masterbation or any other sin. We can hate the sin and struggle with it but it will go in His time. No one has the right to condemn. Be very careful, for the rules you apply to others will come back to you in like severity. You will be judged by your own criteria. Carrying sin often brings humbleness and other beautiful qualities as we grow in patience waiting on His strength.
Be a humble Christian, trusting in His mercy, His strength, His almighty provisions and abundance, all in His time.
walk in love
edwinG

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

edwinG:

Hi,
This sharp line is without mercy. The Holy Spirit will convict when the time is right and He also is patient. All things in God’s time. Being a Christian is not an absolute enabler instantly. See the rules bring condemnation and with this guilt and pain and suffering. Only satan wants this. All this is from satan. In God, in His time all sins are washed away to those who choose to obey. A person who turns to Christ is not instantly obedient. It is His strength- not yours - in His time- not yours. And you MUST learn this lesson. No one goes to Christ saying, I conquered masterbation or any other sin. We can hate the sin and struggle with it but it will go in His time. No one has the right to condemn. Be very careful, for the rules you apply to others will come back to you in like severity. You will be judged by your own criteria. Carrying sin often brings humbleness and other beautiful qualities as we grow in patience waiting on His strength.
Be a humble Christian, trusting in His mercy, His strength, His almighty provisions and abundance, all in His time.
walk in love
edwinG

I do not know how you manage to read things that are not there into the posts EdwinGoodnight EdwinG I am going to bed I will prayfor you and ask the Lord Jesus to help you understand us God Bless you,Lisa

 

[edwinG]

Genesis315:

Unfortunately, saying that other Christian ecclesial communities and churches have the fullness of the Truth is indifferent at best and deceptive at worst. It’s not about customs, it’s about what is true. The fact of the matter is they do not have the whole Truth of Christ. For one, they are missing the Eucharist as well as other sacraments. If we truly love them we will tell them the Truth so they can partake in the fullness of Christ as us Catholics have been so blessed to have in the Church. Do you think Jesus would want them to miss out on any part of His Truth?

Hi Genesis,
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever-
John14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive,because it neither sees Him nor knows Him, but you know HIm, for He dwells with you, and will be in you,
John 14:18 I will not leave you orphans. I will come to you.
I have attended this forum for several months and sent out more than 700 posts and read probably thousands. How very rare it is for me to read about the truth of the Holy Spirit. I dont read about witnessing, I dont even read understanding of following His lead. I dont read about belief in His ability to keep you.
Most posters here seem to be missing some part of the truth or they are the least bold Christians I have ever met.
Please speak the truth, witness to your following of the Holy Spirit.
walk in love
edwinG

 

[edwinG]

Donna P:

Thank goodness for Confession and prayer and Jesus love and forgiveness. I do the best I can to always follow the Church, seek forgiveness when I don’t, and call on His strength and Divine Mercy to keep me doing His Will not my own.

God Bless,
Donna

Hi Donna,
If you follow the Holy Spirit, not the Roman Catholic Church’s rules, you will automatically be obeying Christ. The only ‘best you can" worry (and one should only trust) is,’ am I following Him’. And if you ask God to let you follow Him, to submit to His leading., yes you will be, unless of course you know you are not. If you are in doubt- you are following Him, you are, because when you are not He will tell you and you WILL know.
How glorious is His wisdom in looking after His beloved.
walk in love
edwinG

 

[edwinG]

## I’m neither - I can’t choose either alternative, because the choice is unduly narrow. It’s fine for some things, but not for beings with a capacity for Christ, IOW, living men. ##

There are clear principles on certain matters - if there were no difficulties or ambiguities in seeing how they were applicable in particular cases, there would be:​

no casuistry;
no history of disputes between rigorists, laxists, probabilists, & equiprobabilists;
No controversies regarding missionary adaptation, such as the Chinese Rites controversy;
no controversy over the meaning, limits, and rightfulness of mental reservations;
No need for Raymond of Penyaforte or St. Alphonsus to write at length on moral theology.

It is because the obligation of veracity, the limits of missionary adaptation, the licitness of dancing, the extent of the Pope’s dispensing power, and more things, have been “grey areas”, that moral theology has been so necessary.

The Catechism won’t solve cases of conscience - it’s not meant to; it won’t tell the individual in a specific situation how far he can go in using mental reservations withour tottering into plain mendacity. It’s not meant for that. And it is not a substitute for the virtue of prudence, any more than knowledge is, whether of dogma or of moral theology.

No amount of knowledge of theology and doctrine can replace prudence, or make one more sensitive to the promptings of God through conscience than one is. So knowledge, is not enough. Wisdom too is needed, and grace above all, to render us as responsive to Christ as we are meant to be. But a purely extrinsic approach - “Do this, or else”; “You aren’t a Catholic unless you believe this, this, this, this…” - which takes no account of the individuality of each human person as a unique object of God’s creative Love, is just not enough

People are not machines - they are organisms, growing beings, beings who are meant to grow in wisdom and insight up into the fullness of Christ. I think your approach is too mechanical, and, legalistic

So, I stand by what I said. ##

Hi Gottle of Geer,
What you say is spot on. Individuals, we all have work to do. We are servants to God. He is wanting us to represent Him, to witness to His loving almightyness, in His way which is wisdom beyond our comprehension. The only way we can do His will is to follow His Spirit which knows His mind. We each have work to do. We should all stop trying to lead a life following the rules. That takes up all of our time and energy. Start work. What work. Listen to the Holy Spirit. He will tell you, any hour of the day. By following Him, you can not sin. You can not sin. You can not sin. WOW freedom in Christ.
I dont mean this is a picnic. Stepping out in faith is like walking with your eyes closed, not knowing why, when, or where, but each job done brings great joy. How great if feels to say to yourself, I just did a job for Christ. Man you feel great.
walk in love
edwinG

 

[edwinG]

Lisa4Catholics:

We are supposed to be obediant Christ said that too,if we do not hear the Church we aren’t hearing Him.God Bless

Hello Lisa4Catholics,
Do you think the magesterium has more wisdom than the Holy Spirit? Why settle for less, Lisa. You deserve the best. Just believe, submit to Him and believe. Trust in His strength to keep you safe.
walk in love
edwinG

 

[Trelow]

edwinG:

Hi Trelow
The church is Christ’s body, He also being the head. Do you think He is the author?
Walk in love
edwinG

Do you think that authors write with their hands?

 

[Trelow]

edwinG:

Hi Trelow,
What is the Roman Catholic stance on the Sabbath?
walk in love
edwinG

Given the power to bind and loose, you can see in the New Testament that the Church celebrated the Eucharist on the Lord’s day, Sunday.

 

[st_felicity]

For EdwinG:

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From Felicity to feather, post #55: Sometimes I’m forceful, sometimes I’m gentle…I am like that because sometimes I needed understanding and Christian love, and sometimes I needed a kick in the pants–to get me where I am in my love for God and the Catholic Church.

From Edwin To Felicity, post #67: Be a humble Christian To **from Edwin To Genesis315, post #69: **Most posters here seem to be …the least bold Christians… Please speak the truth…

It appears to me that Edwin wants a little of both of my approaches…since I’ve been patient and gentle thus far, I’ll go for a little of the kick in the pants mode…here goes…

Edwin’s words are in GREEN.

To **slinky1882, post #61 : **Yes I am aware that catholics believe that the magesterium is guided and protected by the Holy Spirit and therefore Catholics go to the magesterium… There is no need for your magesterium…

**Felicity responds: **See your answer to Lisa Post #72-- Do you think the magesterium has more wisdom than the Holy Spirit? If you are aware that the magesterium is guided and protected by the HS, what’s your point? Are you trying to sow confusion? Or are you just confused?

Why would God who is living in you, His temple, want you to ignore Him and go to a group of men who are the same as you, men, to find out what He is saying to you, when they can’t hear what God is saying to you… Does every Roman Catholic have a pager connected to the magesterium so that they can be on 24 hour call to answer and obey the command of the Christ…

This is only the start of the proof in your own words that you do not read the entirety of a persons post, or that you are so confused by what you think you know about the Catholic faith, or that you are obstinately clinging to your “feel-good” theology despite reasonable arguments that express the Truth of God’s justice (as well as His mercy)…blah…blah…blah…I don’t expect that you have actually read this far into my post (or read with an eye to understanding my point) so I’m sure that ‘s how my words are coming across to you (or not). Anyway…for the benefit of those others who may have read this far, It is just plain ignorant to think that Catholics don’t listen to the HS and seek personal guidance from Him. We rely on the magesterium to help us see more clearly—not just to see at all. I know that I am a fool sometimes—a fool that rationalizes and dupes myself into believing what I want to so that I have an excuse for my sin—I need the “kick in the pants” of unglossed Truth that the magesterium offers me. It’s not a 24/7 thing—it’s a resource and a reliable one at that –since it is protected by the Holy Spirit from error.

CONTINUED…

 

[st_felicity]

To **slinky1882, post #62 : **If you eat meat on Fridays you sin, because you believe this is a God given law.
The law makes you feel guilty.

No. Not Catholic teaching. Catholics believe in offer back to Christ their sacrifices to offer thanks to God for His gifts—specifically His ultimate Sacrifice on the Cross. We believe this is required because as Hebrews says, ‘15 Through him (then) let us continually offer God a sacrifice of praise, that is, the fruit of lips that confess his name. 16 Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have; God is pleased by sacrifices of that kind. We can offer him the sacrifice of meat on Friday (because that is the day He was sacrificed) or we may offer him other sacrifices—but we must have the intention of sacrificing to God because it is pleasing to Him—NOT because the Church makes the “rule” and we are bound by the Church’s law.

If I eat meat on Fridays it is not sin… I do and I am not guilty, because I follow the Holy Spirit, but if you follow the magesterium I suppose you are continually breaking Gods laws. Do you confess this every time you go to confession…

If you offer nothing to God—you are sinning. Yes, that must be confessed. (I’m sure you probably have a problem with confession too so check out these verses…Mt. 9:2-8, Jn. 20:22-23, 2Cor. 5:17-20, James 5:13-16, Mt. 18:18, 1 Jn. 5:16…

CONTINUED…

 

[st_felicity]

To Felicity, post #63: I feel if anyone attended Church one day a week because of the guideline of the church, their worship would be unacceptable, because the heart is in the wrong place. What do you think?

You OBVIOUSLY did not read my post fully…My complete explanation was about Church attendance being an OBLIGATION to God—not simply a rule of the magesterium. It is OBJECTIVELY a sin to not worship God when we can—Go READ the post…I told you what I think (if you bother to read it).

He says to you, cross the road at the intersection and you follow and He says, go down that lane, and you go and see a little child crying. Then you understand why He was leading you here. You talk to the child and take appropriate action.

2 Peter speaks clearly of false teachers and the poor fools who listen to them. God is merciful…but He is also just.

1

1 There were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will introduce destructive heresies and even deny the Master who ransomed them, bringing swift destruction on themselves. …

12

But these people, like irrational animals born by nature for capture and destruction, revile things that they do not understand, and in their destruction they will also be destroyed,

13

suffering wrong 8 as payment for wrongdoing. Thinking daytime revelry a delight, they are stains and defilements as they revel in their deceits while carousing with you.

14

Their eyes are full of adultery and insatiable for sin. They seduce unstable people, and their hearts are trained in greed. Accursed children!

15

Abandoning the straight road, they have gone astray, following the road of Balaam, the son of Bosor, 9 who loved payment for wrongdoing,

16

but he received a rebuke for his own crime: a mute beast spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.

17

These people are waterless springs and mists driven by a gale; for them the gloom of darkness has been reserved.

18

For, talking empty bombast, they seduce with licentious desires of the flesh those who have barely escaped 10 from people who live in error.

19

They promise them freedom, though they themselves are slaves of corruption, for a person is a slave of whatever overcomes him.

CONTINUED…

 

[st_felicity]

20

For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of (our) Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.

21

For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down 11 to them.

So…listen to the teachers that can prove their lineage back to the source—Jesus—and follow their teachings. In your analogy, you say you are listening to the HS lead you to the lost child…but instead of listening to the directions from God, you are listening to the shortcut given you by false teachers—that is the voice you hear—that they planted in your heart, and that you cannot discern from the voice of God.

To Felicity, post #67: This sharp line is without mercy… Only satan wants this. All this is from satan.

See above—God is justice. It may be a sharp line, but God has said so. Again in 2 Peter:

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Many will follow their licentious ways, and because of them the way of truth will be reviled.

3

In their greed they will exploit you with fabrications, but from of old their condemnation has not been idle and their destruction does not sleep.

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2 3 For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but condemned them to the chains of Tartarus and handed them over to be kept for judgment;

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4 and if he did not spare the ancient world, even though he preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, together with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the godless world;

6

and if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah (to destruction), reducing them to ashes, making them an example for the godless (people) of what is coming;

And, I’m not even addressing that you say it’s from Satan…your bias against the Church is blatant.

To **Genesis315, post #69: **I have attended this forum for several months and sent out more than 700 posts and read probably thousands. How very rare it is for me to read about the truth of the Holy Spirit. I dont read about witnessing, I dont even read understanding of following His lead. I dont read about belief in His ability to keep you.

I think I’ve already mentioned—you don’t READ.

Look again—I don’t know how you could miss it.

CONTINUED…

 

[st_felicity]

To Donna P, post #70: Hi Donna,
If you follow the Holy Spirit, not the Roman Catholic Church’s rules, you will automatically be obeying Christ.

Again, obstinate bias—and you never said what were “rules” that are not in fact “guidelines of wise instruction”. I don’t think you actually can cite any, even if you attempted—not only because none exist, but because you know very little about Catholicism except the LIES the false teachers have fed you.

To **Gottle of Geer, post #71: **We should all stop trying to lead a life following the rules… How great if feels to say to yourself, I just did a job for Christ. Man you feel great.

There’s that “feel-good” philosophy of the heretics! …Again…

To Lisa4Catholics, post #72: Hello Lisa4Catholics,
Do you think the magesterium has more wisdom than the Holy Spirit?

Go back to the beginning and start over…and TRY to be consistent in your thinking…

BTW, Edwin…the Holy Spirit is speaking to me right now…and He says, “bring it on…false teachers must be corrected.”

 

[betra2000]

## Me neither

“No ifs” ? That is being far stricter than the Church. If - there’s that word again - there were no grey areas, no ambiguities in moral choices, and if everything was as clear-cut as some think, there would be no room for moral theology, and little need for advice in confession. ##

I agree with you 100%. I pride myself into being a Catholic, and a faithful Catholic. But, I am not perfect by far. I am just thankful that we have confession and prayer to help us through our sin’s.