"Reaping what you Sow" and Karma

[The_GreyPilgrim]

Hi Elvisman: I haven’t seen anything in your posts where any scriptures really touch on reincarnation, although on my own I have seen the Apostles make reference to it, and Jesus really seemed to have no comment when the apostles mentioned it. I think it’s a matter of how you read it, and what one is hoping to see when one reads it. Since I have my own faith, I am not hoping to see anything in particular, and hence I am simply being objective to the best of my ability.

Your friend
Sufjon

Jesus, and Christianity, teaches resurrection, not reincarnation. The two are VERY distinct.

 

[Sufjon]

Wrong again.
I already showed you Heb. 9:27-28 where reincarnation is explicitly condemned. We die ONCE - not several times.

Luke 16:19-31 speaks of Lazarus and the rich man who die and are not reincarnated. Each goes to his eternal reward or punishment.

Rom. 6:23 tells us, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Here again, we see that there is no second chance to better ourselves after death.

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Reincarnation has no place in the teachings of Christianity.

I’m wondering. Are any of these the words of Jesus? I am also wondering why Jesus didn’t correct the Apostles when they asked Him about it directly. I just find it curious - sort of contradictory and all, you know? I mean it’s more of a curiosity to me than anything else, because after being on this forum for a time, I am inclined not to really believe any of it. It kind of made sense when I read the words of Jesus, but when I learn of all the add-ons, and talk to people here, it really doesn’t. What I am used to is a little more straight forward.

Your friend
Sufjon

 

[Sufjon]

Jesus, and Christianity, teaches resurrection, not reincarnation. The two are VERY distinct.

Thanks Grey Pilgrim. I understand that Christianity teaches that. I came he originally some months back to learn about Christianity, because certain saints from my faith cited it as being compatible with what we believe. After eight or nine months or so, I have to conclude that they have seen something in it that I can’t see in it.

Your friend
Sufjon

 

[The_GreyPilgrim]

And in responding to the OP I would have to say that Karma is not compatable with what Jesus taught about “loving your neighbor as yourself” or Christian love (Greek “agape”).

Take the story of the good Samaritan.

Place a bhuddist in that story along with the Jewish priests and all of these would act the same way but for different reasons.

As the story says they Jews would avoid him for being “unclean”(a Samaritan) as well as assuming that he must have sinned and recieved his due penalty for his sin.

A bhuddist must also walk by because that Samaritan might just be receiveing his due punishment through Karma. If the bhuddist helped the Samaritan he might be interfering with the lesson that the Samaritan was suppose to learn and therefore only extending his Karmic punishment.

Jesus taught that suffering was going to come to all. That the Father lets the rain fall on the just and the unjust alike. He also taught that suffering, not because you have done wrong, but precisely because you have been faithful-that is “for the sake of righteousness”-is the path to the Kingdom.

Any attempt to read Karma into the scriptures is simply that: eisegesis.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Why would we all go to hell? What do you see in yourself and others that makes you see that? What do you see Christine?

Your friend
Sufjon

Here is the story of the prodigal son: A young man took his inheritance from his father and proceeded to squander it.

When we think of an inheritance, that is everything our parents have given us - their love, their hopes and dreams

. Then the son became very poor and he thought “I will arise and go to my father and I will say to him: Father I have sinned against heaven and before you and I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me like one of your hired servants.”

The outcome of course was that his father was so happy to have him back, that he threw a banquet for him.

Now the elder son who had done everything right (according to karmic law) should have been rewarded with the feast and he told his father so.

However, his father answered: “Son, you are always with me, and all that I have is yours. It was right that we should be merry and glad,for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.”

This is what I am talking about Sufjon, God forgives our sins, our thoughtlessness, our evil and only wants us to come to Him.

We can jump off that great Karmic Mandala!

 

[The_GreyPilgrim]

Thanks Grey Pilgrim. I understand that Christianity teaches that. I came he originally some months back to learn about Christianity, because certain saints from my faith cited it as being compatible with what we believe. After eight or nine months or so, I have to conclude that they have seen something in it that I can’t see in it.

Your friend
Sufjon

What we believe is that if you concentrate on the appearences of Jesus after His resurrection His “body” appeared to be the same but it also had properties that were, for lack of a better word, “higher” that our mere physical bodies. He could appear and disappear at will. He could disguise himself so that others, even His own friends, couldn’t recognize Him. Yet he also walked and ate with them.

He was “glorified”, but He was still Himself. And we believe that at the Resurrection that we will recieve our bodies back, but they will not be these corrupted forms but will be glorified and incorruptable, like He was.

I know that this is at odds with many eastern modes of thought. I know that this is subjective but I feel that what drew me away from those eastern religions was the apparent oversight of such glaring dichotomies and their insistence on the “Oneness” of the universe and how individualism is somehow essentially “bad”. I agree that selfishness and egoism is bad and contrary to love, but that does not necessitate the abolishment of the individual into some divine “One”.

Hence I came back west in my spiritual search.

May God bless you.

Mithrandir.

 

[Sufjon]

What we believe is that if you concentrate on the appearences of Jesus after His resurrection His “body” appeared to be the same but it also had properties that were, for lack of a better word, “higher” that our mere physical bodies. He could appear and disappear at will. He could disguise himself so that others, even His own friends, couldn’t recognize Him. Yet he also walked and ate with them.

He was “glorified”, but He was still Himself. And we believe that at the Resurrection that we will recieve our bodies back, but they will not be these corrupted forms but will be glorified and incorruptable, like He was.

I know that this is at odds with many eastern modes of thought. I know that this is subjective but I feel that what drew me away from those eastern religions was the apparent oversight of such glaring dichotomies and their insistence on the “Oneness” of the universe and how individualism is somehow essentially “bad”. I agree that selfishness and egoism is bad and contrary to love, but that does not necessitate the abolishment of the individual into some divine “One”.

Hence I came back west in my spiritual search.

May God bless you.

Mithrandir.

Thanks for sharing that Grey Pilgrim. I am curious about seeing a problem with Oneness. You would be more familiar than I on that, but isn’t the Eucharist something of an analog of that idea? It’s a sort of oneness isn’t it, just on a more limited scale?

Your friend
Sufjon

 

[Sufjon]

Here is the story of the prodigal son: A young man took his inheritance from his father and proceeded to squander it.

When we think of an inheritance, that is everything our parents have given us - their love, their hopes and dreams

. Then the son became very poor and he thought “I will arise and go to my father and I will say to him: Father I have sinned against heaven and before you and I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me like one of your hired servants.”

The outcome of course was that his father was so happy to have him back, that he threw a banquet for him.

Now the elder son who had done everything right (according to karmic law) should have been rewarded with the feast and he told his father so.

However, his father answered: “Son, you are always with me, and all that I have is yours. It was right that we should be merry and glad,for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.”

This is what I am talking about Sufjon, God forgives our sins, our thoughtlessness, our evil and only wants us to come to Him.

We can jump off that great Karmic Mandala!

Hi Christine: I can agree that we do all eventually jump off the karmic cycle. That is indeed what is supposed to happen for everyone at some point. The point is to go beyond good and bad karma, because you are to be with God, and God is beyond all of that. I am one hundred percent certain that I will be with God, because I have every faith in Him, and because He loves me, I have faith in me as well. Our scriptures have the Lord telling us just that. Yours may not, but in ours, God tells us that we matter more to Him to anything and that we will not fail in our struggles to be with Him. In our faith it is a 100% assurance guarantee. God is with us no matter what - He is our beginning and He is also our destiny. That is what we believe, because that is what God told us. It might not match your faith or what you believe God told you, but the question was why you felt Hinduism was somehow empty. It feels pretty full to me, as I am sure your faith feels to you.

Anyway, I am still curious as to what you see in yourself and others that would cause us to go to hell. What do you see in us? Can you describe it? Do you feel that somewhere? I am fascinated, because I have never felt that. I have read all about it here on this forum, but I can’t comprehend it. How does it feel? It seems in Christian beliefs there is some possibility that you could fall short, right? Maybe some doubt about whether any given person makes it or not. Is it scary?

Thanks for your help on this.

Your friend
Sufjon

 

[elvisman]

I’m wondering. Are any of these the words of Jesus? I am also wondering why Jesus didn’t correct the Apostles when they asked Him about it directly. I just find it curious - sort of contradictory and all, you know? I mean it’s more of a curiosity to me than anything else, because after being on this forum for a time, I am inclined not to really believe any of it. It kind of made sense when I read the words of Jesus, but when I learn of all the add-ons, and talk to people here, it really doesn’t. What I am used to is a little more straight forward.

Your friend
Sufjon

As I explained to you before - the HOLY SPIRIT who is GOD said it.
The Holy Spirit authored the Bible which was simply written down by men.

**If the Holy Spirit said it, then JESUS said it and it is only contradictory to those who twist it to their own destruction (2 Peter 3:16). **

 

[The_GreyPilgrim]

Thanks for sharing that Grey Pilgrim. I am curious about seeing a problem with Oneness. You would be more familiar than I on that, but isn’t the Eucharist something of an analog of that idea? It’s a sort of oneness isn’t it, just on a more limited scale?

Your friend
Sufjon

The “Oneness” of the eastern philosophies is not the same as it is in the west. In eastern thought it brings God down to the level of creation and in some ways makes God dependent on the material world.

Hinduism plays with ideas of God that are contradictory. Such as it numerous demi-gods. There has to be only one God, because if there is more than one God then that other God is that which the first God is not. That involves limitation, which also involves non-being. And if God is all-perfect there can be no lack of anything that is. Hence God tells Moses “I Am He Who Is”.

It also plays with the idea that the all-perfect, divine, “One” at the beginning of time decided to play with imperfection by creating the material world. It boggles the mind to think that that which is perfect would play with imperfection. Why not just remain perfect? It begs more questions than it answers.

It also implies a semi-gnostic view that our souls are “imprisoned” in our bodies and our souls are “good” while our bodies are “evil”.

The Eucharist is a symbol but it also effects what it sybolizes, it is a sacrament. It is the symbol of Christian unity and “oneness”, and it brings about that “oneness” through the grace inherent in the sacrament. The sacrament, though will never negate the individual nature of the members of the Body of Christ(see Rev 2:17).

 

[Sufjon]

As I explained to you before - the HOLY SPIRIT who is GOD said it.
The Holy Spirit authored the Bible which was simply written down by men.

If the Holy Spirit said it, then JESUS said it and it is only contradictory to those who twist it to their own destruction (2 Peter 3:16).

Hi Elvisman. I have gotten your point on that before. You believe that God wrote the Bible. Thank you for that (name removed by moderator)ut Elvisman.

Your friend
Sufjon

 

[rossum]

And in responding to the OP I would have to say that Karma is not compatable with what Jesus taught about “loving your neighbor as yourself” or Christian love (Greek “agape”).

Please do look at what Buddhism says before posting.“Love others as you love yourself.” - Bhadramayakara vyakarana sutra 91

Take the story of the good Samaritan.

Place a bhuddist in that story along with the Jewish priests and all of these would act the same way but for different reasons.
As the story says they Jews would avoid him for being “unclean”(a Samaritan) as well as assuming that he must have sinned and recieved his due penalty for his sin.

The Kucchivikara-vatthu (Mahavagga 8.26) tells of a monk with dysentery who had no one to look after him. Seeing the state he was in the Buddha and Ananda cleaned him and looked after him. Talking to the other monks the Buddha told them, “If you look after the sick then you are looking after me.”

Does that saying sound somewhat familiar?

A bhuddist must also walk by because that Samaritan might just be receiveing his due punishment through Karma. If the bhuddist helped the Samaritan he might be interfering with the lesson that the Samaritan was suppose to learn and therefore only extending his Karmic punishment.

You do not understand karma. The Samaritan had to suffer for a time. At the end of the time of suffering karma sent the Buddhist to relieve the Samaritan’s suffering. All suffering comes to an end eventually.

rossum

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Hi Christine: I can agree that we do all eventually jump off the karmic cycle. That is indeed what is supposed to happen for everyone at some point. The point is to go beyond good and bad karma, because you are to be with God, and God is beyond all of that. I am one hundred percent certain that I will be with God, because I have every faith in Him, and because He loves me, I have faith in me as well. Our scriptures have the Lord telling us just that. Yours may not, but in ours, God tells us that we matter more to Him to anything and that we will not fail in our struggles to be with Him. In our faith it is a 100% assurance guarantee. God is with us no matter what - He is our beginning and He is also our destiny. That is what we believe, because that is what God told us. It might not match your faith or what you believe God told you, but the question was why you felt Hinduism was somehow empty. It feels pretty full to me, as I am sure your faith feels to you.

Anyway, I am still curious as to what you see in yourself and others that would cause us to go to hell. What do you see in us? Can you describe it? Do you feel that somewhere? I am fascinated, because I have never felt that. I have read all about it here on this forum, but I can’t comprehend it. How does it feel? It seems in Christian beliefs there is some possibility that you could fall short, right? Maybe some doubt about whether any given person makes it or not. Is it scary?

Thanks for your help on this.

Your friend
Sufjon

I don’t know how to explain it to you if you do not believe in sin! We think that God is perfect and all good. As humans we often fall short of that mark. We do things that are unkind to others, we sin lie, we cheat, we steal, some even kill. These are not only sins against our fellow men, but sins against God. Even though we try to be good, we often fail because of our human nature. That is why we have a prayer that is called the Act of Contrition:

O my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee, and
I detest all my sins because of Thy just punishments,
but most of all because they offend Thee, my God,
Who art all-good and deserving of all my love.
I firmly resolve, with the help of Thy grace, to sin no more and to avoid the near occasions of sin. Amen

Sufjon, you say your God is the same God that we pray to, but our God is ALL good. Your God has many different aspects such as Kali and Shiva who seem more like demons than a loving God. Can you explain how your God can be both good and bad?

 

[Sufjon]

I don’t know how to explain it to you if you do not believe in sin! We think that God is perfect and all good. As humans we often fall short of that mark. We do things that are unkind to others, we sin lie, we cheat, we steal, some even kill. These are not only sins against our fellow men, but sins against God. Even though we try to be good, we often fail because of our human nature. That is why we have a prayer that is called the Act of Contrition:

O my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee, and
I detest all my sins because of Thy just punishments,
but most of all because they offend Thee, my God,
Who art all-good and deserving of all my love.
I firmly resolve, with the help of Thy grace, to sin no more and to avoid the near occasions of sin. Amen

Sufjon, you say your God is the same God that we pray to, but our God is ALL good. Your God has many different aspects such as Kali and Shiva who seem more like demons than a loving God. Can you explain how your God can be both good and bad?

Hi Christine: Actually we see God as being beyond good and bad. These are concepts that exist in the causal world, and that which is God is not dependent on the causal or physical world, yet it shines on all things equally without regard to negative or positive value. The fabric of space-time, or the fabric of all things is enmeshed in the being of God. They exist in Him, and He exists within each thing, but He is not dependent on anything. They exist at His will. Evil did not creep into the mix unseen by the eye of God, nor against His will. This fits into your question about Shiva. Shiva is the third aspect of the Hindu Trinity, and He is not seen as evil. One aspect (Brahma) creates. The second aspect sustains (Vishnu). The third aspect destroys (Shiva). Since there is a finite amount of matter in the physical universe, everything would come to a static and hellish standstill without old things being destroyed. This destruction allows the development of new things. Mutability and change are the very nature of existence in the causal world. Without these, there would be no experience whatsoever. There is a profound interdependency between opposites. Thankfully, they are all represented in creation. Therefore, that which creates or sustains is not good, and that which destroys is not evil. They are all necessary and all are sacred. For instance, when a child grows into a tall handsome young adult, we see that change as good. Then we grow into old wrinkly people with all kinds of ailments and we see that as bad. Both are only change. One is not good and one is not bad. It is the nature of things. It is we who cause the contradiction when we ascribe values to things based on our wants, needs and tastes. Moving past these brings one closer to God. Likewise, there must be people who do evil in the world. The point is to change and to grow. That is why we say “Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.” One is not good, nor is one bad. They are simply in different developmental stages, whilst simultaneously serving different purposes. You are at one point in your development, and I am in another. One is not better than the other. Each will come to our full unfolding in due time in accordance with God’s plan. Your behavior isn’t going to surprise Him, or disappoint Him regardless of what you do. You will grow until you find your way back. The experience is the whole point of your existence. This is what we believe, and this is how I explain the answer to your question. I am aware that this is not what you believe.

Your friend,
Sufjon

 

[Sufjon]

The “Oneness” of the eastern philosophies is not the same as it is in the west. In eastern thought it brings God down to the level of creation and in some ways makes God dependent on the material world.

Hinduism plays with ideas of God that are contradictory. Such as it numerous demi-gods. There has to be only one God, because if there is more than one God then that other God is that which the first God is not. That involves limitation, which also involves non-being. And if God is all-perfect there can be no lack of anything that is. Hence God tells Moses “I Am He Who Is”.

It also plays with the idea that the all-perfect, divine, “One” at the beginning of time decided to play with imperfection by creating the material world. It boggles the mind to think that that which is perfect would play with imperfection. Why not just remain perfect? It begs more questions than it answers.

It also implies a semi-gnostic view that our souls are “imprisoned” in our bodies and our souls are “good” while our bodies are “evil”.

The Eucharist is a symbol but it also effects what it sybolizes, it is a sacrament. It is the symbol of Christian unity and “oneness”, and it brings about that “oneness” through the grace inherent in the sacrament. The sacrament, though will never negate the individual nature of the members of the Body of Christ(see Rev 2:17).

Hi Grey Pilgrim: Thanks for the response. We are probably a little rough around the edges when it comes to one another’s religions. I can relate to you what I think yours means on a given subject, and you’re probably in a good position to correct me or help me out. Likewise I think I can clarify things on my end as well.

Actually our oneness with God is not exactly the same as Pantheism. We don’t bring God down to our level, because that which He is well outside what we call the causal realm. He is expressed in it, and can be seen in it, but He is not dependent on it. We think He is manifest in every particle, atom, molecule, cell, organelle, organ, organ system, organism, ecosystem, planet, solar system, galaxy and universe. He is the fabric into which the threads of existence are woven. Whatever the pattern we experience in this fabric, it is all Him, within Him and part of Him. We believe that He is nameless , yet has infinite names and that He is beyond the physical world, yet the physical world emanates from Him. He is beyond thought, yet all thought emanates from Him. Mind and matter exists because He cares for them to exist. He, however, exists without them, because He is beyond both. We don’t see the world as being imperfect, so we also see no problem with God having created things that to us may seem imperfect.

I think I understand what you are saying about the Eucharist, which is something I respect by the way.

Regarding Demigods, they too are only aspects of One God, as would be anything you might encounter. They are not separate Gods of this thing or that. They are aspects of God, and may or may not take form in any way He might chose, in the same way that Jesus was said to have manifest in different ways, perhaps as a child to some, or a stranger to the apostles after the resurrection. That is God in action. It’s what He does. Personally, I have never spent much time on Demigods, because for us in modern times, Avatars are the way in which God reaches out to us.

Anyway, just some clarification on the Eastern perspective on these topics.

Thanks for sharing your beliefs as well.

Your friend,
Sufjon

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Hi Christine: Actually we see God as being beyond good and bad. These are concepts that exist in the causal world, and that which is God is not dependent on the causal or physical world, yet it shines on all things equally without regard to negative or positive value. The fabric of space-time, or the fabric of all things is enmeshed in the being of God. They exist in Him, and He exists within each thing, but He is not dependent on anything. They exist at His will. Evil did not creep into the mix unseen by the eye of God, nor against His will. This fits into your question about Shiva. Shiva is the third aspect of the Hindu Trinity, and He is not seen as evil. One aspect (Brahma) creates. The second aspect sustains (Vishnu). The third aspect destroys (Shiva). Since there is a finite amount of matter in the physical universe, everything would come to a static and hellish standstill without old things being destroyed. This destruction allows the development of new things. Mutability and change are the very nature of existence in the causal world. Without these, there would be no experience whatsoever. There is a profound interdependency between opposites. Thankfully, they are all represented in creation. Therefore, that which creates or sustains is not good, and that which destroys is not evil. They are all necessary and all are sacred. For instance, when a child grows into a tall handsome young adult, we see that change as good. Then we grow into old wrinkly people with all kinds of ailments and we see that as bad. Both are only change. One is not good and one is not bad. It is the nature of things. It is we who cause the contradiction when we ascribe values to things based on our wants, needs and tastes. Moving past these brings one closer to God. Likewise, there must be people who do evil in the world. The point is to change and to grow. That is why we say “Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.” One is not good, nor is one bad. They are simply in different developmental stages, whilst simultaneously serving different purposes. You are at one point in your development, and I am in another. One is not better than the other. Each will come to our full unfolding in due time in accordance with God’s plan. Your behavior isn’t going to surprise Him, or disappoint Him regardless of what you do. You will grow until you find your way back. The experience is the whole point of your existence. This is what we believe, and this is how I explain the answer to your question. I am aware that this is not what you believe.

Your friend,
Sufjon

So why are you so sure of what point of your development you are in? Do you think you have special knowledge? You seem awfully sure of God’s plan for you!

As for me, I just try to keep following Christ and hope that God will be merciful. We won’t know til we get there, but in the meantime, the Catholic faith has some rules and prayers and ways of life we can follow. But in the end, it is up to God to judge us.

As Christians we have this one life, not several lives like you Hindus, to get it right.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Does Jesus’ teaching of reaping what you sow resemble Karma? Did Jesus teach a concept nearly identical to Karma in his preaching?

No. Karma is incompatible with the Christian faith. Because Karma believes in a balance of justice. Do something good, get something good. Do something bad, get something bad. God is a merciful God. If we do something bad we need to get something bad if we truly repent. We will be forgiven.

Did the repentant thief on the cross get karma? He lived a sinful life but at his last breath recognized the Son of God and repented of his sins. He was rewarded for one act of goodness despite a lifetime of sin. He came into Paradise with Christ.

 

[Sufjon]

So why are you so sure of what point of your development you are in? Do you think you have special knowledge? You seem awfully sure of God’s plan for you!

As for me, I just try to keep following Christ and hope that God will be merciful. We won’t know til we get there, but in the meantime, the Catholic faith has some rules and prayers and ways of life we can follow. But in the end, it is up to God to judge us.

As Christians we have this one life, not several lives like you Hindus, to get it right.

Hi Christine: Yes, I am completely sure of God’s plan for me. No worries.

You really should stop fretting over these outcomes, you know. Faith in God is like jumping from the edge of one cliff to the edge of another. If you doubt for a minute, you’ll miss every time. Once your faith is absolute, you won’t falter. Until it is absolute, you will falter. If you think He is capable of losing you, you will do like the apostle (don’t remember which one) who was unable to walk out to Jesus on the water. When your prescribed time comes, you will step off the boat and walk right to Him. I assure you of that.
Your friend
Sufjon

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Hi Christine: Yes, I am completely sure of God’s plan for me. No worries.

You really should stop fretting over these outcomes, you know. Faith in God is like jumping from the edge of one cliff to the edge of another. If you doubt for a minute, you’ll miss every time. Once your faith is absolute, you won’t falter. Until it is absolute, you will falter. If you think He is capable of losing you, you will do like the apostle (don’t remember which one) who was unable to walk out to Jesus on the water. When your prescribed time comes, you will step off the boat and walk right to Him. I assure you of that.
Your friend
Sufjon

Well good luck Sufjon. Whenever I get too cocky or sure of myself, that’s usually when the proverbial s— hits the fan! There’s nothing wrong with humility my friend!

 

[Sufjon]

Well good luck Sufjon. Whenever I get too cocky or sure of myself, that’s usually when the proverbial s— hits the fan! There’s nothing wrong with humility my friend!

Hi Christine: I think you missed the point, but I have to attribute that to the differences in mindset that I have noted on this website. It’s probably cultural, I don’t know. Anyway, I am not being cocky. I am simply dead sure about God. The fact that I know He has a plan for me is not my fault. I am only going on what He has said. So, I have a choice of trusting Him, or I can trust theoretical knowledge of Him, rather than that which is experiential. That said, I have not told you that you can’t see Him any way you are able to see Him.

My certainty about God is not dependent on whether or not something hits the fan or not. Things have been hitting the fan since the start, and they always will be. What has that to do with me? The point is that in order to get to the point where you are ready to transcend all of that is only after you hit the wall, either through too much suffering, too much pleasure, or too much of both. You can’t really reach for God until you are ready to let go of everything else you’ve been holding on to. I am talking about Everything. And when you hit that point, you can trust completely. That is the point where you have nothing left to lose, and nothing left to gain. Then you can trust fully.

Your friend
Sufjon