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CilladeRoma
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I do believe the Pope Francis has mandated that only nominal fees may be charged and they should be dispensed if there is a hardship. I believe it it was part of Amoris laetitia.
Reasoning behind Catholics living in invalid marriage?
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Horton
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@TARRAT, @HomeschoolDad
I know that there may be a minimal fee for annulments and very often there is no fee at all. I’ve known that for a very long time. My point in my post was the man who spoke about NOT getting one claimed it cost too much. I KNEW he was being dishonest.
The OP asked about excuses for living in an invalid marriage and I listed one I had heard.
I know that there may be a minimal fee for annulments and very often there is no fee at all. I’ve known that for a very long time. My point in my post was the man who spoke about NOT getting one claimed it cost too much. I KNEW he was being dishonest.
The OP asked about excuses for living in an invalid marriage and I listed one I had heard.
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lonegreywolf20
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As has been mentioned on this thread and I have shown in my own posts, there can be circumstances that do come up that while may seem easy enough to fix, truly aren’t.
Be open to what you are hearing and realize that not everything is black and white.
Be open to what you are hearing and realize that not everything is black and white.
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So you are saying that, even if a person has — through no fault of their own — never been presented with the information regarding something being a sin, as long as he has sufficient intellect to know and comprehend the Church’s teaching, he is completely culpable?
No, they are NOT completely free to leave the situation. This is an integral point you are missing and I dare say getting close to Pharisee territory. You are more concerned with following the law to the letter rather than having compassion for people in these very difficult situations. Divorce causes a great deal of pain for everyone involved, most of all the innocent children. But all that seems to matter is following the rules.
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Emeraldlady
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There are some instances where objectively grave acts are rendered blameless such as a man who has had a vasectomy prior to returning to the faith. If he becomes aware of the sinful nature of contraception and is truly remorseful, the couple are still permitted to have sex without sin.Psalm30:
This is not a valid excuse to continue in sin, let alone grave sin. They are free to leave the situation. Teaching ones children that one may commit grave sin in order to prevent suffering is another grave sin, that of scandal. It is never permitted to commit a grave sin under any circumstance.
Read this article:
As the magisterium has not taken an official position on the obligation to have reversal surgery, nor on whether periodic abstinence (even though no longer having a contraceptive effect because the couple is now permanently sterile) is obligatory, likewise I am not going to take a position either. I have to think this would depend upon the parties involved, and would be between them and their priest.
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VanitasVanitatum
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No. I have reason to believe this is just motivated by curiosity alone.
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VanitasVanitatum
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Probably just an acceptable amount of self interest or selfishness if you will.
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VanitasVanitatum
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You already knew most of the main motivations and even then it doesn’t help because most people are stubborn and aren’t really able to give certain things for God in the first place.
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Pug
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It does not require personal disobedience to end up in an invalid marriage. All it requires is a nominally Catholic parent who had you baptized but did not raise you Catholic. That is it. You are bound by Catholic form even if you do not know you are.
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ChuckB
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Sounds like a great religion. It’s a wonder that more folks don’t join up.
Keep in mind that the views expressed here may or may not be completely in line with Church teaching.
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Simply, because they can continue to live that way. My beat-me-over-the-head-with-church-teachings ex is actively pursuing another romance even though an annulment hasn’t been granted to the marriage. (We are civilly divorced for 4 years now, but neither of us has applied for an annulment.) His outlook is that our marriage was a past mistake and it’s fine for him to move forward in his love life, even though he knows and understands Catholic perspective on this type of situation.
There is no formal accountability within the church, so it is ok to go to confession and then receive communion while in that lifestyle. Accountability comes up when the couple wants to have the marriage blessed and one, or both, partners reveal that a previous marriage had occurred.
The church can’t be in everybody’s business and assumes that communicants are in good standing when they receive Eucharist. It’s like family court, where judges and the law automatically assume that parents hold the best interest of their children. That assumption has to be made by the nature of the parental role.
Same with communion. The church naturally assumes people are doing what is in the best interest of their immortal soul when receiving the Body and Blood of Christ.
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catholiclala
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How exactly is this thread achieving your goal? What are you personally doing to prevent the sin you are so concerned with others committing? Talking about it on a forum isn’t really helping anyone.
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MamaJewel
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This is Catholic moral doctrine?
Is that through Christ?
I thought God is a merciful and loving Father?
It’s World Mental Health Day and I have Catholic friends who died at their own hand. My ever, loving good-God, I’m going to be sick!
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MamaJewel
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Maybe we do need to talk about.
As a former convert and new re-vert, I very recently called my ex out on his perspective of moving forward in love without an annulment. It is giving scandal to our now atheist, agnostic, or other faith-belief children. We have one - under 10 years old, Christian child left in the family (out of more than a half-dozen children of marriage). There does not need to be anymore scandal. Not for the children, nor for the church.
The Church needs to cautiously move forward with these type of circumstances. Otherwise, the sacrament of marriage will be denigrated to the point where newer generations in the church won’t value/ respect it.
At the same time, a Christian is supposed to speak the truth to another believer, without judging the individual. We will need to speak the truth in charity and must understand where the individual is coming from when addressing the issue. For parents who practice marital continence and work diligently to bring their children up in the Faith, they have too much riding on the Church’s inability to properly catechize the faithful, especially with marriage and family dynamics. Teens will watch their parents like a hawk, but they also look to the true values of the institutions they are part of. Failure to practice what it preaches has led to many folks leaving the RCC.
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catholiclala
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My point is that talking about it on an internet forum is not evangelizing. Has the OP counseled those in these situations, walked with them on their journey? Is he a catechist? Going round and round about the lives of strangers is not really getting to the hard work of the matter for someone who seems so passionate about correcting the sins of others regarding a particular matter. This happens time and again with people taking up for a moral issue but not really DOING anything about it except reciting the rules of the matter. It just reads as judgment and virtue signaling.
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MamaJewel
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I see what you’re saying. I misunderstood the context. thanx for clarifying.
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catholiclala
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No worries. I understood where you were coming from.
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