Reasons you love the Extraordinary Form

[ProVobis]

We met at the school building & marched into Mass together.

That I remember. And we did this for First Fridays and other weekday Masses as well.

I also remember most of us walked to church or school too. There were very few parking lots in the city. You had no reason to miss Mass unless you were sick. (with a note from your parents, of course. )

 

[CradleCath]

That I remember. And we did this for First Fridays and other weekday Masses as well.

**I also remember most of us walked to church or school too. **There were very few parking lots in the city. You had no reason to miss Mass unless you were sick. (with a note from your parents, of course. )

Absolutely. Most families who had cars, only had one…so Catholics lived close to the Church. During my early years in elementary school we lived across the street from the Church. When I was 9 we moved to the East End (we had made “middle class” by then & it was considered quite a move up. I remember going with my parents when they were house hunting. Their first question was always the same, “Where’s the nearest Catholic school”?. We ended up in a house that was easily within walking distance…3 blocks from the school

 

[malphono]

Actually I didn’t want to compound this hot button before, but it’s more referred to as the “Mass of ALL Ages.” I googled this and got over 2.7 million hits so it’s not really a new term. Seems as if the term “Mass of the Ages” is much more benign so I would say the opening poster didn’t have the malicious intent he’s been accused of, IMO.

I certainly never accused the OP of malicious intent. It’s been quite clear to me all along that such was not the case.

As for “Mass of the Ages” or “Mass of All Ages” or whatever, while it may be benign, I still find the expression to be out-of-place. It is not either of those in objective or even historical terms. And again, the EF is the only form of the Roman Rite Mass at which I voluntarily assist, so I’m not approaching this from the “other side” so-to-speak.

I’m not thrilled with “TLM” but it’s definitely clearer and far less likely to cause misunderstanding or offend people’s sensibilities.

 

[mikemar]

The reason why I love the Latin Mass is because it doesn’t reek of Protestantism, the way the Novus Ordo does. There are so many things wrong with the Novus Ordo, at least as far as my own personal tastes are concerned, but I especially hate the “Mystery of Faith,” especially where it’s located.

Immediately after the consecration, after the priest in persona Christi has changed bread and wine into the soul & body of Christ, the Mystery Faith says “Christ will come again?” He was just made manifest. Why say in that spot that He will come again?

It’s a Protestant influence, if you ask me, calling into question the validity of transubstantiation.

If the Mystery of Faith is truly necessary, although somehow all was fine for 500 years before this, then the “Christ has died” should be in the Introit, “Christ has risen” can be after consecration, and “Christ will come again” can be added to the Ite Missa est.

 

[otjm]

Brother, I have already answered that. Ihave absolutely no idea where the term “Mass of the Ages” came from.

As noted, the only comment I have seen attributes it to those in France either following the SSPX or members thereof. Whether that is correct or not, I can’t say, but the SSPX seem to be most active there (and perhaps in Brazil).

 

[ProVobis]

I certainly never accused the OP of malicious intent. It’s been quite clear to me all along that such was not the case.

No it wasn’t you and I should have said that. My main thrust was against the derailers of this thread which I’ve decided to put on my ignore list. So thus my response ended up going to you.

 

[bpbasilphx]

So,

On the traditional Catholic forum one cannot have a thread about why people love the traditional Mass?

Doesn’t this strike you as just bizarre?

**Loving the Extraordinary Form is NOT the same thing as calling it (and by implication it alone) the “Mass of the ages.”

Or can you tell the difference?**

By cathguy: \But I have said again and again that nothing was meant by the use of this term. Shouldn’t decent and reasonable people take me at my word?\

Then why did you title your thread with such a loaded and factionally charged term?

By ProVobis: \Seems as if the term “Mass of the Ages” is much more benign so I would say the opening poster didn’t have the malicious intent he’s been accused of, IMO.\

**
Even better and more benign would have been NOT to use the term “Mass of Ages” but the term preferred by Pope Benedict himself: Extraordinary Form. **

By mikemar: \Immediately after the consecration, after the priest in persona Christi has changed bread and wine into the soul & body of Christ, the Mystery Faith says “Christ will come again?” He was just made manifest. Why say in that spot that He will come again?

It’s a Protestant influence, if you ask me, calling into question the validity of transubstantiation. \

**First, nobody’s asking you. You’re claiming that the Holy See would approve a Protestant-influenced liturgical form. (Actually, THIS notion is more Protestant influenced.)

Next, to anyone with a minimum of catechetical formation and two wits to clap together, it should be obvious that “Christ will come again”, as well as similar phrases in the Latin editio typica, refer to Christ’s coming at the Parousia and Last Judgement. This does NOT, nor did it ever, deny His coming at the Eucharist.**

 

[bobrec]

This is a little off topic but I hope you will forgive me. Much of what has been said here is consistent with my feelings as well. I feel most of the people here are sympathetic andshare my views.

I am a life-long Catholic who recently reconciled with HMC after 45 years as an agnostic. My return was a direct result of my learning that the Latin Mass, confession, and other traditional rites are still available in some parishes.

Going to the ER every Sunday, and having access to confession have given me more peace of mind than I have had in many years.

God grant that the church fathers encourage the continued growth of the Latin Mass and that our young people will seek to restore the Latin Mass which for so long represented Catholicism to the world.

 

[Patrick_Eastin]

This is the second time I have had to intervene in this thread. I have changed the title to make some here happy even though they know perfectly well what was meant and the spirit in which it was meant.

I am rapidly losing patience with some of you and I will start issuing infractions for carrying out personal agendas and refusing moderator direction.

I repeat my warning again. Return to the topic of this thread.

 

[Canto]

The reason why I love the Latin Mass is because it doesn’t reek of Protestantism, the way the Novus Ordo does. There are so many things wrong with the Novus Ordo, at least as far as my own personal tastes are concerned, but I especially hate the “Mystery of Faith,” especially where it’s located.

Is this textually? Or mostly the fact that in some Churches there is things like 4 guitar hymns and noise and COTTongue etc?

1962 Missal
Take this, all of you, and drink from it, for this is the chalice of my blood,
The blood of the new and eternal covenant, the mystery of faith,
Which will be poured out for you and for many
For the forgiveness of sins. As often as you do these things, do them in memory of me.

In the 1970 Missal the mystery of faith follows after the do this in memory of me. I personally like it at the end once the bread and wine have been consecrated/transubstantiated.

Immediately after the consecration, after the priest in persona Christi has changed bread and wine into the soul & body of Christ, the Mystery Faith says “Christ will come again?” He was just made manifest. Why say in that spot that He will come again?

It’s a Protestant influence, if you ask me, calling into question the validity of transubstantiation.

Until he comes again refers to the 2nd coming
In the Credo we pray until you come again

“For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes” (1 Cor 11:26).

If the Mystery of Faith is truly necessary, although somehow all was fine for 500 years before this, then the “Christ has died” should be in the Introit, “Christ has risen” can be after consecration, and “Christ will come again” can be added to the Ite Missa est.

The Mystery of faith is still necessary. Every Catholic should read JPII’s enyclical on the Eucharist. All I can say is wow!
**vatican.va/holy_father/special_features/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_20030417_ecclesia_eucharistia_en.html
**

In the coming approved translation of the re-translation of the 1970 Missal the Christ has died bit had been given the boot:thumbsup:

 

[SunnaB16]

Seeing this post was shot down by crossfire…repost…

For the past 71 consecutive Sundays. i ve attended a TLM Solemn High Mass. It spoils you! The reverence, the dignity, the beauty of it all are overwhelming. Theres an “Otherness”. i know almost no Latin, but it`s enough to just be there and soak it all up.

During the third or fourth Mass there, a thought came into my mind: IT SEEMED THAT I COULD FEEL THE CHURCH`S HEARTBEAT, and it was strong and healthy. That feeling has grown stronger.

The “Asperges me” can make you misty eyed, and when there are the ladies and the gents choirs singing and chanting…it makes your spirit soar.

There are hardly any walking sticks in sight, but there are plenty of babies and toddlers. Young families predominate, and lots of young people come in on their own. Mantillas aren`t compulsory, but there are plenty of them.

There`s the quiet peace embrace in the Sanctuary, but not the disruptive “sign of peace” “for” the rest of us.

Holy Communion time…the Communion rail, receiving Him only from the consecrated hands of a priest. Like a feather landing on the tongue. The paten.

Thanks be to God for the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter! These fellas are up to date in the right way: eg they have devotion to the Divine Mercy, with a permanent picture of “Jesus, I trust in You” in the church. They`re knowledgeable and approachable.
You can feel the love and respect that the laity have for the priests, and vice versa.

Best of all: Pope Benedict is a patron of it.

The Mass is the Mass is the Mass, but the thought of going back to the OF only is a bit unsettling. A lot of us didn`t appreciate the TLM until we lost it.

PS
Diane
You live in a great spot! (i looked it up)

 

[Onegin]

Wow, they actually changed the title. … Really?

It’s still* the* Mass of All Time to me.

Anyways, Sunna made some very good points. The silence in particular is something I look forward to every Sunday. With all the interruptions of cell phones, televisions, computers, etc it’s really nice to just have one hour where I’m not being bombarded by “culture”.

 

[bobrec]

That I remember. And we did this for First Fridays and other weekday Masses as well.

I also remember most of us walked to church or school too. There were very few parking lots in the city. You had no reason to miss Mass unless you were sick. (with a note from your parents, of course. )

Some of the reasons most people walked to church in the 1950’s:

Not everyone had or could afford cars - back then most people lived within their means

The local parish was within easy walking distance

There were many more Catholic churches than there are today

There are some devout Catholics who believe that Vatican II brought much needed change to our faith. The fact is, the 1960’s brought major social and cultural changes all over the world and as a result people were encouraged to mistrust and challenge ALL authority in the interest “personal freedom”.

Many of us who were raised before Vatican II believe that this influenced some of those who truly believed that Vatican II and the changes it introduced that resulted in the Novis Ordo Missae would be a positive influence on HMC.

We would simply like to point out that since the OF became dominant, the Holy Catholic Church has witnessed a decline in attendance, conversions and vocations.

One cannot help but conclude that the changes initiated after Vat II had to have made some contribution to her subsequent decline.

That being said, I love the Latin Mass because it allows me to concentrate on the liturgy and NOT the rest of the congregation. It permits me to ask Christ’s forgiveness for my sins and to thank him for his sacrifice on the cross. It simply makes me feel closer to Our Lord and instills in me a feeling of belonging because the Latin Mass has been a part of me and my family’s life for generations and makes me feel uniquely Catholic.

 

[Layman]

Quiet reverence;
Beautiful prayers;
All facing the Sacred Matter, the Crucifx and the Orient;
Beautiful hymns which lift up hearts;
Sense of Serious Business Occuring;
Personalities of those involved neutralised;
Possibility of personal reverie and prayers, uninterrupted.

 

[ProVobis]

Not everyone had or could afford cars - back then most people lived within their means

The local parish was within easy walking distance

Yes, but that was because more people would take that distance into consideration before they chose their house or apartment. And as you suggested, it wasn’t uncommon for one to walk a mile or so whereas today they drive if it’s over a block. I see that none of my neighbors walks to the closest parish which is less than two blocks away.

 

[MIKE46]

Since many on these forums cannot remember this Mass, I’ll offer an observation. I attended the daily children’s Mass during the 1940’s. All Catholic school children did. A short reminder…we fasted for 12 hours prior to the Mass, no snacks, no breakfast, no NOTHING but water from 8 pm. until after we received the Eucharist. This may not sound hard, but children in elementary school are usually active & hungry.
We arrived to congregate at school at approximately 7:30. By 7:45 we were processing into the Church, by 8AM, we were kneeling in the “children’s pews” & Mass began.
It was over **at exactly 8:45 **& we were back in our classrooms by 9AM, receiving a small carton of milk & something else…baked by the nuns who prepared our hot lunch. These times are correct & exact, as they had to be in order for us to have the needed hours of class. And those nuns were logistical EXPERTS.

The 45 min. low Mass wasn’t long, it’s just that we were HUNGRY.
For the 10AM. Mass on Sunday…well I was STARVED by the time is was over. It was the Mass my parents attended, before Vat. II, & it lasted close to an hour & a half. I was a small, skinny kid & didn’t need to miss a meal. But, I knew even then how very fortunate I was to start every day with God.

We met at the school building & marched into Mass together,

This all sounds extremely familar and I will wager that several ofthe other posters here, Brotherrolf and Palmas 85 in particular will have the same feeling. Of course there is always the chance that we are all living in a delusional world in which these things didn’t happen and we just think they did. I mean after all, the testimony of dinosaurs such as ourselves can certainly have no validity whatsoever, especially when you have self described experts in liturgical matters telling us over and over that “whiz” Masses were most certainly the norm and that none of us had a clue what was going on…

As for reasons I love the Traditional Mass it is simple. It enriched and nourished the spiritual lives of billions upon billions of the faithful for hundreds of years. To have it relegated to the trash heap as the progressives wanted and tried to do back in the sixties was to me the zenith of arrogance, sheer hatred of anything traditional and mans pride in himself and all his glory. I thank God every day that Pope John Pail II had the good sense to allow it back and that Pope Benedict XVI saw fit to further allow its expansion. Back in the early 70’s we never thought we would see the day when that would ever happen…

 

[brotherhrolf]

This all sounds extremely familar and I will wager that several ofthe other posters here, Brotherrolf and Palmas 85 in particular will have the same feeling. Of course there is always the chance that we are all living in a delusional world in which these things didn’t happen and we just think they did. I mean after all, the testimony of dinosaurs such as ourselves can certainly have no validity whatsoever, especially when you have self described experts in liturgical matters telling us over and over that “whiz” Masses were most certainly the norm and that none of us had a clue what was going on…

Thanks, Mike.

 

[CradleCath]

This all sounds extremely familar and I will wager that several ofthe other posters here, Brotherrolf and Palmas 85 in particular will have the same feeling. Of course there is always the chance that we are all living in a delusional world in which these things didn’t happen and we just think they did. I mean after all, the testimony of dinosaurs such as ourselves can certainly have no validity whatsoever, especially when you have self described experts in liturgical matters telling us over and over that “whiz” Masses were most certainly the norm and that none of us had a clue what was going on…

Isn’t that the truth. We are, of course, “delusional dinsaurs” as you said, or nostalgic old fools.

As for reasons I love the Traditional Mass it is simple. It enriched and nourished the spiritual lives of billions upon billions of the faithful for hundreds of years. To have it relegated to the trash heap as the progressives wanted and tried to do back in the sixties was to me the zenith of arrogance, sheer hatred of anything traditional and mans pride in himself and all his glory. I thank God every day that Pope John Pail II had the good sense to allow it back and that Pope Benedict XVI saw fit to further allow its expansion. Back in the early 70’s we never thought we would see the day when that would ever happen…

SO TRUE!! I just wish my parents were still alive to pray it one more time. My Father said more than once…“the Novus Ordo people have become ‘mini priests & priestettes’ & they aren’t going to give up the Liturgy that has allowed them into the Sanctuary without a fight”.

 

[bobrec]

This all sounds extremely familar and I will wager that several ofthe other posters here, Brotherrolf and Palmas 85 in particular will have the same feeling. Of course there is always the chance that we are all living in a delusional world in which these things didn’t happen and we just think they did. I mean after all, the testimony of dinosaurs such as ourselves can certainly have no validity whatsoever, especially when you have self described experts in liturgical matters telling us over and over that “whiz” Masses were most certainly the norm and that none of us had a clue what was going on…

As for reasons I love the Traditional Mass it is simple. It enriched and nourished the spiritual lives of billions upon billions of the faithful for hundreds of years. To have it relegated to the trash heap as the progressives wanted and tried to do back in the sixties was to me the zenith of arrogance, sheer hatred of anything traditional and mans pride in himself and all his glory. I thank God every day that Pope John Pail II had the good sense to allow it back and that Pope Benedict XVI saw fit to further allow its expansion. Back in the early 70’s we never thought we would see the day when that would ever happen…

I am one of those “dinosaurs” you mentioned and agree with absolutely everything you’ve said.

I pray that Our Lord will restore Holy Mother Church to her former glory, and for a time when finding a Latin Mass is as simple as locating the nearest Catholic Church.

 

[palmas85]

This all sounds extremely familar and I will wager that several ofthe other posters here, Brotherrolf and Palmas 85 in particular will have the same feeling. Of course there is always the chance that we are all living in a delusional world in which these things didn’t happen and we just think they did. I mean after all, the testimony of dinosaurs such as ourselves can certainly have no validity whatsoever, especially when you have self described experts in liturgical matters telling us over and over that “whiz” Masses were most certainly the norm and that none of us had a clue what was going on…

As for reasons I love the Traditional Mass it is simple. It enriched and nourished the spiritual lives of billions upon billions of the faithful for hundreds of years. To have it relegated to the trash heap as the progressives wanted and tried to do back in the sixties was to me the zenith of arrogance, sheer hatred of anything traditional and mans pride in himself and all his glory. I thank God every day that Pope John Pail II had the good sense to allow it back and that Pope Benedict XVI saw fit to further allow its expansion. Back in the early 70’s we never thought we would see the day when that would ever happen…

Yes, I can say that I do agree with what you have said and ditto on the memories:thumbsup:

But having been on this forum for a while, I can tell you what will happen. You will be attacked, in some cases savagely for being so uncharitable to write such things. You will be ridiculed by a few who know just enough about liturgical matters to be dangerous. You will be raked over the coals and reported to the moderators for the slightest things that those of the more liberal mindset disagree with you on. It has happened to me and others for years.

Don’t give up. Speak about what you know and don’t back down from he truth. Do you remember what they told us when we first started serving at the Altar? That it was both an honor and a priviliege to be allowed to assist the Priest in his monumental task and that we should never ever forget that. So, I beg you, don’t forget how important it is that someway, somehow we defeat these lies and slanders that so many want to ram down everybodys throat.

Welcome to the firums and the good fight. Glad to have you:thumbsup: