Rebel Catholics plan to "ordain" women on river

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OTTAWA (Reuters) - Nine North American Catholic women will be ordained priests or deacons next month in what will amount to a test of Pope Benedict’s determination to enforce the Vatican’s ban on women’s ordination.

The July 25 ceremony will take place on a boat on the St. Lawrence River in a bid to be in international waters, the coordinator said on Tuesday, though the U.S.-Canadian border actually goes down the middle of the river.

In a further challenge to Vatican orthodoxy, the women may be married, divorced or remarried – “as long as they’re in a stable relationship or are a stable person,” said U.S. activist Judith Johnson, who is organizing the ordination.

Eight of the women are American and one is Canadian.

The movement started with the ordination of seven women on the Danube River in Germany in 2002. Two of them, Christine Mayr-Lumetzberger of Austria and Gisela Forster of Germany, will be ordaining the four priests and five deacons on the St. Lawrence. The two say they have been made bishops by Catholic bishops in good standing with Rome.

But in 2003, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger – now Pope Benedict – excommunicated the “Danube Seven.”

The rebels’ Web site says there have been no further excommunications even though more women were ordained deacons on the Danube in 2004. A further ordination ceremony is set to be held on a boat near Lyons, France, on July 2.

The Roman Catholic Church teaches that women’s ordination violates biblical commands, and the late Pope John Paul ruled in 1994 that the Vatican could not even consider the issue.

Johnson predicted that would change. “New changes don’t come very quickly. It comes from the people,” she told Reuters.

Source : reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=8723619
 
Sarah Jane:
The two say they have been made bishops by Catholic bishops in good standing with Rome.
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She should have said “were in good standing.” Before the business with the list on the church door, Martin Luther was “in good standing,” too.

I think it is a mistake to give this nonsense more attention than it deserves. What is the concern here? That they might accomplish this preposterous end run, by feigning some backdoor allegiance to valid authority?

These ladies are singing to their own little choir, trying to have their cake and eat it, too. They want to be in the Church and have the approval of the Church–not the Church as it is, but as they wish it were, a Church that does not exist and never has. It is not as if they are doing ordinations of ineligible males; i.e., someone that might later pass as a valid priest. They can do their ordinations on the space station, but they will fool no one. If they think they have not left the Church until they’re ex-communicated outright, they’re fooling themselves, too.

As far as changes coming “from the people”, the truth is that if the Pope himself authorized the ordination of women today, he’d lose most of the church. It would split like a ripe watermelon thrown from a rooftop. (Look how many people walked out over Latin, for crying out loud!)
 
This is as much a Reuters fiction as it is a “Catholic” one.

The two “ordainers” are not Catholic as they have been excommunicated. So why are they deemed “Catholic” by Reuters, except to cause controversy?

How can non-Catholics “ordain” Catholic priests, let alone women? Reuters is ceding control of the language to the dissenters and in the process foregoing truth for their own agenda. But hey, this is Reuters after all. One can’t expect too much.

If Reuters had its act together, they would be reporting on the identity of the “Catholic bishops in good standing with Rome” who supposedly made bishops of the excommunicated ladies. But that would involve pursuing truth. Too much to ask apparently. :rolleyes:

This would be laughable if it weren’t so sad.
 
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Franze:
sad but we will have 9 people more excomunicatted.
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I look at it as “the rich will be sent away empty.”

Our Lady is not vindictive, and she was singing a song of joy in her Magnificat. What could she have meant?

It means that sometimes what you lose is the greatest gift you can be given, because it opens you to see what it is you need to gain.

Sometimes you have to have your credit cards cut up before you’re willing to go out and search for the pearl of great price.

Excommunication isn’t an act of vengenance. It is an honest declaration. Sad, yes, but sad as chemotherapy is sad. When it is needed, it is needed. Let us hope that all these excommunicated will make amends and come back, as we hope that we, in our wanderings, are always given the mercy of being called back, as well.
 
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I look at it as “the rich will be sent away empty.”

Our Lady is not vindictive, and she was singing a song of joy in her Magnificat. What could she have meant?

It means that sometimes what you lose is the greatest gift you can be given, because it opens you to see what it is you need to gain.

Sometimes you have to have your credit cards cut up before you’re willing to go out and search for the pearl of great price.

Excommunication isn’t an act of vengenance. It is an honest declaration. Sad, yes, but sad as chemotherapy is sad. When it is needed, it is needed. Let us hope that all these excommunicated will make amends and come back, as we hope that we, in our wanderings, are always given the mercy of being called back, as well.
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Yes I know but I pray for their souls because they are further from God.
 
How fast do you think they will be excommunicated? By the time they get off the boat or maybe give them hope for one or two days?
This is sick. Why do they still need to call themselves Catholic? They are not because they don’t believe in the doctrine, so why?
 
This is so silly, corny and cheesy but I am sure they think of themselves as high minded. I keep imagining George Clooney and his jail bird friends (Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?) singing from the shore.
 
It’s pretty messed up when you plan to sin mortally by being ordained. Weird.

I hope they can realize how wrong they are a repent before they die.
 
Ani Ibi:
This is Cardinal Ouellet’s territory. He is supposed to be very orthodox and stern.
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I suppose this is why the group wants to do this in “international waters” so as to escape existing ecclesiastical jurisdictions. They can then deny Rome’s authority to excommunicate them. :rolleyes:

But their public bid to be in “international waters” on the St. Lawrence is laughable.
 
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I suppose this is why the group wants to do this in “international waters” so as to escape existing ecclesiastical jurisdictions. They can then deny Rome’s authority to excommunicate them. :rolleyes:

But their public bid to be in “international waters” on the St. Lawrence is laughable.
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I know I have visions of a bunch of aging women trying to simultaneously negotiate the boat in the middle of the river so as to straddle the border while being ordained. Imagine the sight! It’s really sad but rather like what the Episcopalian women did to be ordained. A bishop who was due to retire did it on the QT and they Episcopalian church went along with the ruse. I can’t imagine these women think this will work in the Catholic church.

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Canadian archbishop says women’s ordination ritual will not be valid

By Domenic D. Nicassio
Catholic News Service

TORONTO (CNS) – Though nine women will be ordained priests on a boat in the St. Lawrence River in July, Canadian Archbishop Anthony Meagher of Kingston said the ceremony will be neither Catholic nor an ordination.

“To attempt an ordination this way is to step outside the church. If someone decides they don’t want to be Catholic, there is nothing we can do. There is no need for me to get out into a row boat and announce that what they are doing is wrong,” he said June 7.

At the same time, Archbishop Meagher said that as a protest the actions have significance. “There is no doubt the church has to change. There has to be more involvement of women in leadership and in decision-making,” he said. But staging an invalid ordination is not the way to do it, he said. “I think there are more effective ways to protest,” Archbishop Meagher said.

An association of approximately 14 groups is coordinating the ordination ceremony under the name “Roman Catholic Womenpriests Program.” The ceremony will take place July 25 in the middle of the St. Lawrence River, following a women’s ordination conference July 22-24 at Carleton University in Ottawa.

To avoid the jurisdiction of the Kingston Archdiocese and the Diocese of Ogdensburg, N.Y., the organizers have rented a tour boat that will float on the border between Canada and the United States. Among the nearly 500 seats available, 220 already have been purchased at a cost of US$85 each.

Archbishop Meagher said the jurisdiction is “irrelevant because there is no ordination.”

The July event will mark the first of its kind in North America. It is modeled after a similar event that took place in 2002 on the Danube River, between Germany and Austria, where seven women were ordained by a schismatic bishop.

The women who took part in that ceremony were excommunicated by the Vatican less than a month after the ceremony. Two of the women priests have since been ordained “bishops” and will perform the St. Lawrence ordinations.

Father Thomas Lynch, dean of studies at St. Augustine’s Seminary in Toronto, predicted the Vatican will respond quickly, as it did after the Danube River incident. “Individuals who have sought this path before have been excommunicated,” he said. “There will likely be a public statement from Rome for the sake of the faithful.”

Victoria Rue, a candidate for the upcoming ordination, said the threat of excommunication would not keep her from participating.

“I always felt no one could take my church away from me. If it (excommunication) happens, it happens, but it is not anything that would deter me,” she said.

She said her desire to be ordained has to do with “understanding the inclusiveness of all images of God.”

After the ceremony, the women priests will have no parish and will make only one vow of “co-authority,” rather than obedience.

Another candidate, Michele Birch-Conery, 65, a former nun who lives on Vancouver Island, will continue to teach feminist literary analysis at North Island College while acting as a priest for anyone who calls.

“We could be called to the gay and lesbian community here on the island. They might call me to do a blessing or marriage. I probably could become a marriage commissioner for British Columbia,” she said.

Birch-Conery said she would “present myself to the people as a Catholic priest.”

Father Lynch said the church teaching stipulating that the priesthood was reserved for men is “not about women being less as persons.”

“The church feels it has the right to only ordain men because it is a tradition that has been given to us by the Lord himself, and has been affirmed by the power of the Holy Spirit through the centuries,” Father Lynch said.

In any action of the sacraments, it is principally Christ who acts, and only secondarily the priest. Christ’s maleness, and by extension, the male priesthood, keeps alive the nuptial symbolism that is so much a part of biblical theology and Catholic worship, he said.

“Christ is the bridegroom of the church, and if a priest is … to act in the person of Christ, he must be male,” Father Lynch said.

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Franze:
Yes I know but I pray for their souls because they are further from God.
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I hear what you mean. May your prayers be a blessing on them all, and on you, too!
 
“I always felt no one could take my church away from me”

Thats the crux of the matter. How selfish. :banghead:

*******Another interesting comment- the bit about the symbolism of the bridegroom (male-Christ) and the bride (female-the Church) could also be one reason why the homosexual agenda is being pushed so hard. If it’s OK for same sex “couples” to “marry”, then, the next step is to ask “what is really wrong with female priests? Can’t the bride marry the bride?” If we get to the point Canada is, and teaching against homosexuality is cansidered “hate speach”, and a “crime”. then it is likely that eventually exclusion of a “female priesthood” will be considered DISCRIMINATION since our “only reason” for not allowing it is based on an “antiquated” notion that only a GROOM can marry a BRIDE! ** :banghead:

Beware the abomination on the altar!!!
 
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