Receive Communion standing or kneeling?

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That is a good article, but it really doesn’t address the Bishops concern for unity as quoted above.

What is the number of people who wish to kneel? I really do not have a problem with it as long as they do not cause a tripping hazard. It is not logical to make accommodations for a small number of people acting against the norm

SuZ
 
I really hate it when the standing posture is equated with irreverence. I so remember rails as a child, watching the people looking all around as they waited for the Priest to get to them.

Whatever the reason—times have changed. Religion is different–There are far fewer Priests.

Whatever the reason for the changes, I will do as I am told…as St Teresa said
“Those deceive themselves who believe that union with God consists in ecstasies or raptures, and in enjoyment of Him. For it consists in nothing except the surrender and subjection of our will.”
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Minerva:
I would imagine the reasons for the norm are that kneeling disrupts the flow of the communion line. If churches still had altar rails, kneeling wouldn’t be as much of a problem. Frankly I wish they’d bring back altar rails and make kneeling the norm again. There’s too little reverence for the Eucharist among Catholics these days.
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At my parish, the priest has a kneeler (like they do at weddings) at the foot of the altar so that those who wish to to receive kneeling (like me 😉 ) may. I’d say about 25% of the people use it and it doesn’t disrupt the flow of the line.

The Bishop is fully aware and endorses this practice.
 
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amasimp:
At my parish, the priest has a kneeler (like they do at weddings) at the foot of the altar so that those who wish to to receive kneeling (like me 😉 ) may. I’d say about 25% of the people use it and it doesn’t disrupt the flow of the line.

The Bishop is fully aware and endorses this practice.
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That is a good idea. Your priest is smart as well as pastoral to accommodate his people.

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Mysty101:
That is a good article, but it really doesn’t address the Bishops concern for unity as quoted above.

What is the number of people who wish to kneel? I really do not have a problem with it as long as they do not cause a tripping hazard. It is not logical to make accommodations for a small number of people acting against the norm

SuZ
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The problem with unity doesn’t really seem to lie with the faithful in this situation. The problem with unity seems to lie with the U.S. bishops. Many bishops have established the norm as to be either kneeling or standing. Many have established standing only. There really is no norm for this in the U.S. I think this is why the Vatican has said that nobody should be barred from either and when there is a norm established they should be told why. It is quite interesting that nobody has really explained what proper catechesis is for this matter even though it’s mentioned. It’s almost like the Vatican is saying “go ahead and establish a norm but you better be able to explain it.”

It would seem to me that unity is in the belief in the Real Presence, not so much in posture.
 
There are 66 or more posts ahead of this post. They indicate a strong disunity and confusion among the Catholic “faithful.” Before the bishops of the United States disobeyed the Holy See and started to give Holy Communion in the hand, and standing, and removed altar railings without any authority from the Holy See, there were no arguments about receiving Holy Communion on the tongue while kneeling at the altar rail. Rome finally gave in to the disobedience and allowed the changes, but has reserved the right to kneel and to receive on the tongue by individuals. The dissension, the disunity, the confusion, and all of their results in the loss of souls came about AFTER uncountable changes made to the liturgy without reason.

Try changing football or baseball rules from top to bottom (even changing the name (“assisting at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass to celebrating Eucharist”). Make the football the shape of a baseball, make a goal a cup the size of a basketball, make scoring progressive in points from 1-100. Put 21 members on each team. Eliminate uniforms. Mix men and women. Eliminate all penalties. Etc., etc., etc., etc. etc… Would you expect no disunity, no confusion, complete loyalty of all previous fans.

Yes, I know, loyalty to a sport team has no comparison with loyalty to the Church, but God instituted a Church among the Militant that is instrructed to use the instruments and the God-created tendencies of human minds, emotions, and intellects. The awe-inspiring trappings and ceremonies were not for God’s sake, but for the sake of impressing the human mind with the Glory and Sanctity owed to God.

Before all these massive changes, you probably could not have gathered the number of diverse arguments about the posture for Communion found above among all the Catholics in the world in a years time. The disruption, which continues unabated, started with those massive changes imposed by Church personnel of the type that were condemned continuously by the Vicars of Christ up through Pope Pius XII.
 
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GeorgeCooney:
There are 66 or more posts ahead of this post. They indicate a strong disunity and confusion among the Catholic “faithful.” Before the bishops of the United States disobeyed the Holy See and started to give Holy Communion in the hand, and standing, and removed altar railings without any authority from the Holy See, there were no arguments about receiving Holy Communion on the tongue while kneeling at the altar rail. Rome finally gave in to the disobedience and allowed the changes, but has reserved the right to kneel and to receive on the tongue by individuals. The dissension, the disunity, the confusion, and all of their results in the loss of souls came about AFTER uncountable changes made to the liturgy without reason.

Try changing football or baseball rules from top to bottom (even changing the name (“assisting at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass to celebrating Eucharist”). Make the football the shape of a baseball, make a goal a cup the size of a basketball, make scoring progressive in points from 1-100. Put 21 members on each team. Eliminate uniforms. Mix men and women. Eliminate all penalties. Etc., etc., etc., etc. etc… Would you expect no disunity, no confusion, complete loyalty of all previous fans.

Yes, I know, loyalty to a sport team has no comparison with loyalty to the Church, but God instituted a Church among the Militant that is instrructed to use the instruments and the God-created tendencies of human minds, emotions, and intellects. The awe-inspiring trappings and ceremonies were not for God’s sake, but for the sake of impressing the human mind with the Glory and Sanctity owed to God.

Before all these massive changes, you probably could not have gathered the number of diverse arguments about the posture for Communion found above among all the Catholics in the world in a years time. The disruption, which continues unabated, started with those massive changes imposed by Church personnel of the type that were condemned continuously by the Vicars of Christ up through Pope Pius XII.
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Finally, some sense!! Everybody should just end it here
 
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GeorgeCooney:
There are 66 or more posts ahead of this post. They indicate a strong disunity and confusion among the Catholic “faithful.” Before the bishops of the United States disobeyed the Holy See and started to give Holy Communion in the hand, and standing, and removed altar railings without any authority from the Holy See, there were no arguments about receiving Holy Communion on the tongue while kneeling at the altar rail. Rome finally gave in to the disobedience and allowed the changes, but has reserved the right to kneel and to receive on the tongue by individuals. The dissension, the disunity, the confusion, and all of their results in the loss of souls came about AFTER uncountable changes made to the liturgy without reason.

Try changing football or baseball rules from top to bottom (even changing the name (“assisting at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass to celebrating Eucharist”). Make the football the shape of a baseball, make a goal a cup the size of a basketball, make scoring progressive in points from 1-100. Put 21 members on each team. Eliminate uniforms. Mix men and women. Eliminate all penalties. Etc., etc., etc., etc. etc… Would you expect no disunity, no confusion, complete loyalty of all previous fans.

Yes, I know, loyalty to a sport team has no comparison with loyalty to the Church, but God instituted a Church among the Militant that is instrructed to use the instruments and the God-created tendencies of human minds, emotions, and intellects. The awe-inspiring trappings and ceremonies were not for God’s sake, but for the sake of impressing the human mind with the Glory and Sanctity owed to God.

Before all these massive changes, you probably could not have gathered the number of diverse arguments about the posture for Communion found above among all the Catholics in the world in a years time. The disruption, which continues unabated, started with those massive changes imposed by Church personnel of the type that were condemned continuously by the Vicars of Christ up through Pope Pius XII.
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You sound bitter because what the Church actually directs differs from what you believe is best.

Thankfully most Catholics follow the Church and not their own prideful and arrogant desires…
 
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Crusader:
You sound bitter because what the Church actually directs differs from what you believe is best.

Thankfully most Catholics follow the Church and not their own prideful and arrogant desires…
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Explain yourself now… Your rude comments have gone long enough… Just becuase this man is stating the truth you rebel!!
 
I’m not sure where I heard this or saw it, but I thought I understood that the Pope gave the US the indult for standing for Communion, and Communion in the hand because the Bishops were allowing it anyway, and it would have been difficult to put a stop to it. Where did it ever say that all the Communion rails should be ripped out. Everything is carried to the extreme and that is why people are unhappy. I would like to know what all of you Communion in the hand advocates do with the particles of the Body and Blood of Christ that is left on your hand. I guess that went south like everything else. I have seen a priest drop the Host on a couple of occasions and nothing was done. We are NOT reverent about the care of the Body and Blood of Chris. We may be reverent when we receive, but there is no thought given to the particles that may fall on the floor. :confused:
 
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katolik:
Explain yourself now… Your rude comments have gone long enough… Just becuase this man is stating the truth you rebel!!
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You know what? That man might not be telling the truth, after all it is only his opinion so stop attacking Crusader
Podo
 
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Crusader:
You sound bitter because what the Church actually directs differs from what you believe is best.

Thankfully most Catholics follow the Church and not their own prideful and arrogant desires…
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:amen: Crusader!
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coeyannie:
I’m not sure where I heard this or saw it, but I thought I understood that the Pope gave the US the indult for standing for Communion, and Communion in the hand because the Bishops were allowing it anyway, and it would have been difficult to put a stop to it. Where did it ever say that all the Communion rails should be ripped out. Everything is carried to the extreme and that is why people are unhappy. I would like to know what all of you Communion in the hand advocates do with the particles of the Body and Blood of Christ that is left on your hand. I guess that went south like everything else. I have seen a priest drop the Host on a couple of occasions and nothing was done. We are NOT reverent about the care of the Body and Blood of Chris. We may be reverent when we receive, but there is no thought given to the particles that may fall on the floor. :confused:
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I’ll tell you what I don’t care for. Those that follow their own whims and ideas instead of the Church.

I especially don’t care for those who follow their own whims and ideas because they feel their position is better than what the Church actually directs because they feel it is more “traditonal.” Irregularities and abuses are still irregularities and abuses even if they are supposidly “traditional.”

What bothers me even more is the irregularities and abuses caused by those described above do nothing but provide ammo for those ultra-progressive Catholics feel their position is better than what the Church actually directs because they feel it is more “progressive.” The two extremes feed off of one another and the Church is the loser.

Thanks be to go that orthodox Catholicism seems to be slowly returning to the Church, despite the best efforts of the ultra traditonalists and progressives.
 
The dissension, the disunity, the confusion, and all of their results in the loss of souls came about AFTER uncountable changes made to the liturgy without reason.
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It would be denying history to say that everything was fine and dandy before Vatican II. Unfortunately, these arguments after the council are quite tiresome but quite traditional for post conciliar times. There have always been people protesting changes, rebels trying to run away with councils and a settling down and correcting misinterpretation times.
 
The two extremes feed off of one another and the Church is the loser.
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Correct. They are two sides to the same coin and prove that if you go too far the right or too far to the left you meet in the middle in anarchy! The center of the Barque of Peter is where you want to be, not to one side or the other unless of course you want to fall into the stormy sea!
 
I posted this in the other traditional thread, and it was funny–when I was re-reading this thread I thought my post was removed —these threads are very close in theme------

Are we all at least in agreement as to what is allowed as options and what is definitely abusive? Also something done by the congregation is rarely (if ever) considered an abuse. I think it is only the Priest who commits a liturgical abuse.

Then what are minor abuses, which it might be better to just ignore? (such as the Priest inviting the congregation to join hands for the Lord’s Prayer)

Also try to find a Mass that you are comfortable attending. Try a few different ones. If there is more than one priest in your Parish, see which style you prefer, and attend his Masses. Also note the style of Masses at different times. Our church has one very Charismatic style Mass, 3 more contemporary, and 3 more traditional. This was done because many people preferred one over the other. I do not see any real abuses in any—just differences in style (mostly of music)

I agree the Mass is very important, and everyone should be able to worship in the style they prefer providing it is an authentic Mass.

SuZ
 
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katolik:
Finally, some sense!! Everybody should just end it here
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I, like Crusader, found the analogy too extreme to be of any practical comparison.

The poster (George Cooney) does reveal a bias when he states that the changes were “without reason”. Not agreeing with the reasons of our church leaders does not mean that they did not have a reason behind a change.

As far as the analogy he used, the sports changes mentioned change the very nature of the game. Mass today is still Mass, as it has been for 2000 years.

While I know that emotions are not always clear in posts, the man sounded bitter, or at least angry, to me also.
 
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