Receiving the Eucharist the reverant way....

[SnorterLuster]

Ah now we compare a woman to Our Savior—actually I’ve never heard of anyone bowing to propose----far more reverent, than secular affection, but kneeling would not be considered too reverent.

Lux

Huh? I don’t think I asked any of the questions you answered. Is English not your primary language?

 

[Digitonomy]

(As a reminder to everyone, see a notice from the moderators. Moving on…)

Fludgecow101 didn’t make any claim like that and I do not think that this was at all a fair characterisation of their post. I really do not think that Fudgecow meant that Servant of God Paul VI was physically assaulted.

Thank you for pointing out that moderator note. :tiphat: I did not mean to introduce that topic, I only intended to illustrate how far-fetched it seems to claim that Pope Paul was only acting under duress and thus his actions shouldn’t be granted the normal respect due to disciplines from Rome.

 

[T700]

Since you addressed all my statements, but not my question, may I assume that you are married and got on your knees to ask your wife to marry you? You don’t have to admit it if you don’t want to.

I’m not the one to whom the question was asked, but I’ll venture an answer. No, I did not. Why? Was it because I don’t value and care for my wife? Do I not show her the love that the scriptures command and that my heart bears witness to? No, I did not because it is not the norm for her culture or mine.

Paul

 

[EasterJoy]

It is not up to you to make these decisions. It is up to the Pastor, and for all the “expert” postings around here, I have never heard of a Pastor lessening the number of EMHC because he was given an oficial instruction.

Lux

If our pastor was told by our bishop to lessen the number of EMHC or even to eliminate the practice entirely, he would do it. What the bishop decides, what Rome decides, he does, and whether he likes it or not is not a topic for public conversation. He is an outstanding priest, but hardly an anomoly in our diocese.

Now, when it comes to “instructions” he gets from his parishioners, rather than his actual superiors…oh, my goodness, pray for our pastors! Job was not asked to have more patience.

 

[T700]

Thank you for pointing out that moderator note. :tiphat: I did not mean to introduce that topic, I only intended to illustrate how far-fetched it seems to claim that Pope Paul was only acting under duress and thus his actions shouldn’t be granted the normal respect due to disciplines from Rome.

What the OP said was, “The limited permission that Pope Paul VI gave was dragged out of him under force and deceitful conditions.”

Since “force” and “deceitful” are listed as separate qualifiers, and the use of “dragged out of him” is given, what else could a reasonable person think than physical duress, as well as mental? I’m quite confused and hope the original poster will clarify exactly what he meant.

Paul

 

[Rickwood]

BG,

We’ve been through this many times. The universal norm is “standing or kneeling, according to the instructions of the local bishops’ conference” Please stop misleading

Lux

Thanks. Some of the language used here is quite disingenuous. It misleads people.

 

[Rickwood]

If our pastor was told by our bishop to lessen the number of EMHC or even to eliminate the practice entirely, he would do it. What the bishop decides, what Rome decides, he does, and whether he likes it or not is not a topic for public conversation. He is an outstanding priest, but hardly an anomoly in our diocese.

Now, when it comes to “instructions” he gets from his parishioners, rather than his actual superiors…oh, my goodness, pray for our pastors! Job was not asked to have more patience.

Outstanding! May God richly bless him!

I just hope the Extraordinary Experts of Liturgical Planning, Design and Execution (EEsLDPE) are not wasting too much of his time with their “expert” advice and associated demands.

 

[Rickwood]

It’s really quite simple. The Host is the Body and Blood of Christ. He deserves every bit of reverence that I can muster. I also don’t receive Holy Communion without fasting for at least three hours, nor will I receive with a mortal sin on my soul. I likewise will not receive if I am angry or agitated. Our Lord deserves the very best I can give him. If the Church says I don’t have to do that much, fine. I will continue to doing the very best that I can. If you are telling me that the norm is as good as you can do for Our Lord, fine.

You’re not answering the question so I will try one final time. What makes you believe that kneeling is more reverent or “better?” than bowing/standing – particularly since bowing/standing is a Church norm for the USA?

What makes you think 3 hours of fasting is more reverent or “better” than the required 1 hour? Why do you even mention mortal sins in this conversation – NO one is to receive holy communion in a state of mortal sin.

No revelation, just the observation for you that the Church only requires you receive Holy Communion during the Easter season. I am not sinning nor shunning Our Lord by trying to be as good as I can be before receiving HIm. Wasn’t there something in the Bible about offering your best for a sacrifice to God? One brother offered his best lamb and God was pleased. The other brother offered weedy grain and God was displeased.

There is something truly broken if you choose not to receive holy communion because you are only able to physically do so as outlined by a Church defined norm of the USA. Whew! The Church encourages us to receive communion as often as we can.

I certainly could place my soul in jeopardy by following the norm on receiving Him. I am weak. If I don’t have the discipline everytime to give my best, I will fall into the trap of believing that not my best is good enough for Him. You apparently aren’t as weak as I am, but I need to be vigilant because I am an easy mark for bad habits.

I really don’t know how to respond. :hypno: I guess you could begin on focusing on what He demands through His Church and less on what you personally feel is “best.”

Try googling the news stories from about a month ago when the MC for the Pope announced that he “requesting” that no one approach him for Holy Communion if they weren’t prepared to kneel and receive on the tongue.

Naw, I’ll stick with actual Church documents and declarations and not secular news stories. Thanks though.

 

[Lux_et_Tenebrae]

Huh? I don’t think I asked any of the questions you answered. Is English not your primary language?

I’ll try to explain so you can understand. (obviously you don’t recognize English)

You asked if someone knelt to propose (I thought you were attempting to show kneeling as a more reverent posture–as it appears did others)

Why would you compare the posture to propose to that of receivingHC? How can you compare human love with worship?

Weren’t you also the misguided person who would refuse Christ, rather than receive in a posture not deemed correct by you?

You obviously need to attempt to understand the difference between feelings and worship.

Lux

 

[benedictgal]

Thanks. Some of the language used here is quite disingenuous. It misleads people.

No one is misleading. It’s just that it seems that there are some who are allergic to kneeling, or, they haven’t read what the Holy Father noted in his homily for the Solemnity of Corpus Christi:

At this point we cannot forget the beginning of the “Decalogue”, the Ten Commandments, where it is written: “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me” (Ex 20: 2-3). Here we find the meaning of the third constitutive element of Corpus Christi: kneeling in adoration before the Lord. Adoring the God of Jesus Christ, who out of love made himself bread broken, is the most effective and radical remedy against the idolatry of the past and of the present. Kneeling before the Eucharist is a profession of freedom: those who bow to Jesus cannot and must not prostrate themselves before any earthly authority, however powerful. We Christians kneel only before God or before the Most Blessed Sacrament because we know and believe that the one true God is present in it, the God who created the world and so loved it that he gave his Only Begotten Son (cf. Jn 3: 16). We prostrate ourselves before a God who first bent over man like the Good Samaritan to assist him and restore his life, and who knelt before us to wash our dirty feet. Adoring the Body of Christ, means believing that there, in that piece of Bread, Christ is really there, and gives true sense to life, to the immense universe as to the smallest creature, to the whole of human history as to the most brief existence. Adoration is prayer that prolongs the celebration and Eucharistic communion and in which the soul continues to be nourished: it is nourished with love, truth, peace; it is nourished with hope, because the One before whom we prostrate ourselves does not judge us, does not crush us but liberates and transforms us.

As I’ve noted before, you don’t need to make an additional show of reverence if you are receiving Holy Communion kneeling and on the tongue. The provision was added for those who choose to stand. Maybe there are those who even have an issue with showing due reverence regarding this matter. It certainly seems like this given the posts from not a few folks.

 

[EasterJoy]

Outstanding! May God richly bless him!

He’s not alone in the diocese, but he is a gem for whom we are thankful! I am already praying that when he retires God will send another one that’s as good as he is.

 

[Lux_et_Tenebrae]

No one is misleading. It’s just that it seems that there are some who are allergic to kneeling, or, they haven’t read what the Holy Father noted in his homily for the Solemnity of Corpus Christi:

As I’ve noted before, you don’t need to make an additional show of reverence if you are receiving Holy Communion kneeling and on the tongue. The provision was added for those who choose to stand. Maybe there are those who even have an issue with showing due reverence regarding this matter. It certainly seems like this given the posts from not a few folks.

BG

Your judgemental posts not withstanding, no one disagrees with any of your accurate posts, but you will be called on misquotes of the universal norm, in which you persist even though the actual norm has been posted many times.

Lux

 

[Rickwood]

He’s not alone in the diocese, but he is a gem for whom we are thankful! I am already praying that when he retires God will send another one that’s as good as he is.

After many years in the desert, our parish finally received a wonderful, smart, wise and spiritual pastor. The difference is astounding…

 

[nightwalker]

BG

Your judgemental posts not withstanding, no one disagrees with any of your accurate posts, but you will be called on misquotes of the universal norm, in which you persist even though the actual norm has been posted many times.

Lux

And you will be called on insisting that those of us who kneel are disobeying the norm, when the norm DOES NOT exclude it, as the CDW&DS has stated as the authority that granted the recognitio in the first place.

sigh

[Edited]

 

[Rickwood]

And you will be called on insisting that those of us who kneel are disobeying the norm, when the norm DOES NOT exclude it, as the CDW&DS has stated as the authority that granted the recognitio in the first place.

sigh

[Edited]

“Prot. N. 47/03/L” through Msgr. Mario Mariniin in no way viciates GIRM #160 in the USA.

 

[mullenpm]

I am amazed at how belligerent the “standing and receiving in the hand” group is becoming.

I do wish the Holy Father would visit some of their churches – kneeling and on the tongue it would be.

I don’t advocate kneeling when one is in a Communion line under the current situations, but I am hoping that the altar rail will, some day soon, be closed and we will all kneel at the rail and receive the Holy Eucharist on our tongue.

With all due respect to the Apostles who were reclining at table.

 

[nightwalker]

“Prot. N. 47/03/L” through Msgr. Mario Mariniin in no way viciates GIRM #160 in the USA.

Prot. N 47/03/L:

while this Congregation gave the recognitio to the norm desired by the Bishops’ Conference of your country that people stand for Holy Communion, this was done on the condition that communicants who choose to kneel are not to be denied Holy Communion on these grounds. Indeed, the faithful should not be imposed upon nor accused of disobedience and of acting illicitly when they kneel to receive Holy Communion."

“***The lack of obedience to the Church ***displayed by the demand to kneel folks absolutely crushes any credibility they might otherwise have when they talk about respect, reverence, etc.”

Kneeling is everywhere a licit position, as stated by the competent authority to interpret the norm. Why is this a problem for anyone? I can kneel, you can stand. That’s it. There is nothing to argue about for thirty pages in a week.

Why does it disturb some people so much that someone else might kneel to receive? I really don’t understand this.

 

[Badaliyyah]

I am still curious when it is that the Latin Church started kneeling in the first place. And why (Since I didn’t get an answer on the other similar thread where I asked the question).

salaam.

 

[thistle]

This goes into the grey area of judging souls by putting the argument as you write it. Being a Eucharistic Minister for many years, I do not see one way as being more reverent than another. Both are acceptable and doing one way does not mean the other is irreverent. That would be pre-judging a person which EMs are not supposed to do. Both ways are reverent and acceptable.

Unless you are ordained you are NOT a Eucharistic Minister. A lay person can be an EMHC (Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion) which is NOT a Eucharistic Minister.

 

[Rickwood]

I am amazed at how belligerent the “standing and receiving in the hand” group is becoming.

I do wish the Holy Father would visit some of their churches – kneeling and on the tongue it would be.

I don’t advocate kneeling when one is in a Communion line under the current situations, but I am hoping that the altar rail will, some day soon, be closed and we will all kneel at the rail and receive the Holy Eucharist on our tongue.

With all due respect to the Apostles who were reclining at table.

They’re not nearly as arrogant as the “I am going to kneel no matter what because it’s superior” group.