Receiving the Eucharist when Cohabitating?

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Your making a decison NOT in conformity to our beliefs.:o
I have not made any decision. I am engaging in a discussion.

Let me clarify the thrust of the points I am making. I believe humans sin and that sin is wrong. I believe we may be tempted to sin and that we must strive to not give in to temptation. I am also saying that people should not jump to the conclusion that others are sinning. I believe that to judge others is wrong.
 
It is not about our “assuming immoral behavior” of others… it is about our actions! Our way of life. If I was single…I am not going to be sharing an apartment with a non-relative of the opposite sex. Due to the moral principles involved as a Christian.

As I noted this is about the application of the moral principles. Many aspects of Moral theology are not explicit in a detailed way in Church documents per se.

I have given you examples of Priests as well as Bishops who have pointed out the moral principles involved. (not that one has to be a Priest etc )

The reality of potential near occasion of sin (even if not present at the time of the signing of the lease…in time such can be a very likely problem even for those not seeking to live as a couple…for couples develop from non-couples). And the reality of scandal. People will likely assume we are engaged in a way of living that is contrary to chastity. We have a certain responsibility for the impression and example we give.

For those reasons (and perhaps others) I think that this really is just not a way we as Christians ought to choose to live.

Now can there be occasions where other things will come into play? Sure…like War strikes the country and you and your girlfriend or just a girl may have to flee together…or there is some hurricane etc etc But on the norm I do not think that a man and a woman who are not related ought to take up “sharing an apartment”.
If I understand your position correctly you are saying two things. First, you are saying that if a man and woman share the same dwelling with no intent, at the outset, of establishing a relationship, over time they will establish one, and that will include a sexual aspect. Second, you are saying that even if they co-habit without being in a relationship, sexual or otherwise, others will believe they are in a sexual relationship. This will cause scandal to the community. They, the co-habiting persons, have a responsibility to not cause such scandal.

I agree with you to a certain point. It is within human nature for men and women to be attracted to each other. There is always the possibility that if a man and a woman co-habit in the same dwelling they may end up as a couple. However, I do not believe that this is always going to happen. Even if they do end up in a relationship are we to automatically judge that they have mo morals and they will engage in a pre-marital sexual relationship? The point I am making is that I do not think we as a community should have such a default low opinion of our brethren to arrive a such a conclusion. Equally, I am not sure that it is the responsibility of a co-habiting couple to prevent scandal. Scandal should be avoid by the community not making a rash judgement without the evidence to support their beliefs.

It also seems that this only applies to people of the opposite sex. If several males share a dwelling then by the same irrational arguments the community should come to the conclusion that these males are participating in homosexual orgies. That sounds ridiculous and it is. Making the same rash judgement about anyone based on gossip or uncharitable thoughts is ridiculous too.
 
If I understand your position correctly you are saying two things. First, you are saying that if a man and woman share the same dwelling with no intent, at the outset, of establishing a relationship, over time they will establish one, and that will include a sexual aspect.
I do not say they will necessarily happen. But even it is a very real possibility. And there are other issues of modesty and over-familarity too. And even other possible sins outside a relationship as others have noted. Or even sins of thought.
Second, you are saying that even if they co-habit without being in a relationship, sexual or otherwise, others will believe they are in a sexual relationship. This will cause scandal to the community. They, the co-habiting persons, have a responsibility to not cause such scandal.
Correct. Such scandal is very likely.
I agree with you to a certain point. It is within human nature for men and women to be attracted to each other. There is always the possibility that if a man and a woman co-habit in the same dwelling they may end up as a couple. However, I do not believe that this is always going to happen. Even if they do end up in a relationship are we to automatically judge that they have mo morals and they will engage in a pre-marital sexual relationship?

The point I am making is that I do not think we as a community should have such a default low opinion of our brethren to arrive a such a conclusion. Equally, I am not sure that it is the responsibility of a co-habiting couple to prevent scandal. Scandal should be avoid by the community not making a rash judgement without the evidence to support their beliefs.
Again. It is not about us judging that they are in a sexual relationship. It is the effect of their actions on those around them. It is somewhat reasonable in this day and age to assume such (not saying we should…but that it will happen). Yes there is the moral principle of avoiding “rash judgment” But this is not about THAT moral principle. But the moral principle of avoiding such scandal and avoiding near occasions of sin.

I am speaking of our *responsibility to avoid such scandal. *

And for that matter I think simply living as a Christian. On the norm I do not think such is really a way for Christians to be choosing to live. We are to live differently than those around us. Just as the early Christians did.

(though one could argue that a unrelated guy and girl living together being presumed to be engaging in what such couples do these days who live together…may not be so rash of a judgment…for there is the evidence of their living together…but I am not saying one should make such a judgment …and yes we need to presume the best)
It also seems that this only applies to people of the opposite sex. If several males share a dwelling then by the same irrational arguments the community should come to the conclusion that these males are participating in homosexual orgies. That sounds ridiculous and it is. Making the same rash judgement about anyone based on gossip or uncharitable thoughts is ridiculous too.
Such is not what would normally be presumed. One can read the various works of moral theology and find that there is yes a very real responsibility to avoid scandal (as the Bishops pointed out in that document). But there are cases where it can be beyond reason to be concerned with such (this is not one of them).

A woman decides to wear extremely immodest clothing. She says --“hey they should control their thoughts. I just like wearing this”.

Well yes they should control their thoughts. But she has a responsibility to not dress so immodestly.

Another woman wears reasonably modest clothing that is though attractive. She is not behaving in any immodest way and has dressed particularly modestly though she is still attractive. She has done her part. The guys need to do theirs.

A man and a woman share an apartment who are not married. Such can be a very real cause of scandal of various kinds.

A man and woman go out to dinner. Some people make the rash judgment that they are sleeping together. It is not their responsibility to not go out to dinner.

I am saying that really a man and a woman sharing an apartment (flat if you like) is simply one of those living arrangements that we ought not choose as Christians and is a real source of scandal and near occasions of sin.

And again I am not discussing our responsibility to avoid rash judgment. Yes such is our responsibility. But here we are discussing* our* responsibility to avoid scandal. And aside from the scandal to the Christian community who yes on their part should not judge rashly…many who are going see such a living arrangement are not going to be Christian or at least not living as such. We need to also be lights set on a hill.

Readers can also read my other post above…it gives a summary of things.
 
I agree with you to a certain point. It is within human nature for men and women to be attracted to each other. There is always the possibility that if a man and a woman co-habit in the same dwelling they may end up as a couple. However, I do not believe that this is always going to happen. Even if they do end up in a relationship are we to automatically judge that they have mo morals and they will engage in a pre-marital sexual relationship? **The point I am making is that I do not think we as a community should have such a default low opinion of our brethren to arrive a such a conclusion. **.
Given the trend in society that we see today, however, the opposite message is being promoted through every available media. Sitcoms and the press blatantly portray the “acceptable” world standard (free sex, and living together with no intent to ever commit to marriage) - and the once-innocent word “dating” has actually come to mean that couples can (and do) engage in sex. Don’t believe this, just ask the non-practicing “Christian” teenager who lives down the street.
It also seems that this only applies to people of the opposite sex. If several males share a dwelling then by the same irrational arguments the community should come to the conclusion that these males are participating in homosexual orgies. That sounds ridiculous and it is. Making the same rash judgement about anyone based on gossip or uncharitable thoughts is ridiculous too
(I hear what you’re saying about rash judgment.) A few short years ago, we would have thought it ridiculous to make assumptions regarding same-sex couples living together. But how far we have plummeted since the advent of the organized movement by radical gays openly and actively promoting the destruction of traditional marriage and the concept of the natural law. Since they do all they can to distort acceptable Christian norms…you see where this is going… 🤷
 
But what if the guy claims he is a homosexual and the two girls he lives with are heterosexual?

Oh wait, sorry, was watching Nick at Night again… 😛
 
But what if the guy claims he is a homosexual and the two girls he lives with are heterosexual?

Oh wait, sorry, was watching Nick at Night again… 😛
Haha. In all seriousness though, I know of an arrangement where two women and one man do live in the same dwelling…the two young women share a large room (with separate beds…they are not lesbians!) and the young man has a separate room. As I stated earlier in this thread, in this city it is both normal and acceptable for young men and women, particularly students, to share a dwelling - especially with the very high cost of living…sexual relationships are not “assumed” in such arrangements. Occasion of sin seems quite unlikely as one girl essentially would become a chaperone for the other… and in terms of scandal…if anything it would be that the two girls share a room and might be presumed gay. I have yet to hear any Catholics on this thread, who oppose male-female living arrangements, acknowledge the moral issue of scandal between roommates of the same sex in our very pro-homosexual society. In my city, the gay pride parade/festival is one of the biggest events of the year…for the whole city, gay or straight…😦
 
If I may… What if the guy and the girl are cousins (or even siblings)? Both are studying in the same university away from home, and are sharing an apartment to save on expenses. Should they live separately because of the things people who don’t know them might assume?
 
Before you do anything else, remind them they shouldn’t take communion while they have mortal sins on their soul and that their sins are only absolved when they sincerely have the intention of stopping.
 
If I may… What if the guy and the girl are cousins (or even siblings)? Both are studying in the same university away from home, and are sharing an apartment to save on expenses. Should they live separately because of the things people who don’t know them might assume?
It can happen that scandal will be from within or without. I know of a family where the sister asked the brother if he would like to have sex with her, both adults. That means there was temptation.
 
If a couple is known to others to be cohabiting, and taking Communion, then they should let the priest know that privately & discreetly but that opens a whole new can of worms regarding being truthful and not bearing false witness against others.

Certainly not all those who live together who are of the opposite sex are having sex, but the temptation is certainly higher for those couples who are dating as boyfriend/girlfriend or fiance/fiancee. I avoid that temptation as a single woman by living alone, and not living with anyone of the opposite sex.
 
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