Recent Headlines – good or bad fruit?

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I look at different Catholic news sources every day. Below are a few recent news stories. There is such diverse thinking going on at all levels. We all need to pray as much as possible that our church will, with God’s help, return to relative peacefulness by somehow coming together under one roof.

Catholics and non-Catholics Receive Communion Together in “Ecumenical Mass” Promoted by Turin Archdiocese - https://veritas-vincit-internationa...cumenical-mass-promoted-by-turin-archdiocese/

German Bishops’ website praises Pope Francis for abolishing ‘conservative’ JPII Institute – (this headline if from another source)
https://onepeterfive.com/german-bishops-website-comments-new-john-paul-ii-institute/

Gay activists seek to use ‘LGBT’ Mass to promote homosexuality
The Diocese of San Diego is having a Mass for the “Families of the LGBT Community” on October 7 and local gay activist Nicole Murray Ramirez is calling this event “historic.”
Indeed, it may be historic, but not for the reasons he thinks. Nicole Murray Ramirez is a male transvestite who has regularly mocked the Catholic Church by dressing up like a nun and calling bingo at a local gay bar. He is also a Commissioner for the City of San Diego.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/gay-activists-seek-to-hijack-healing-mass-for-families-of-the-lgbt-communit

Australian bishop on same-sex marriage: Listen to ‘signs of the times’ - https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2017/09/17/australian-bishop-sex-marriage-listen-signs-times/

although this is an article from last year it deserves notice - Pope Francis’ Reported Words: “I Might Go Down in History for Having Split the Catholic Church”

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Pope Francis’ Reported Words: “I Might Go Down in History for Having Split the Catholic Church”

Today, DER SPIEGEL, a very influential German publication, published an article about the manifest current crisis in the Church, to include a growing resistance to Pope Francis’ proposed and actual…
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A bunch of idiots twisting the words of the Church and of the Pope for their own causes is NOT the fruit of anything.

Just because they are cherry-picking quotes from the Holy Father and Ecumenical councils doesn’t mean that’s the message the Pope had.

Rogue Priests do terrible things all the time. Just because they borrowed an incorrect snippet from the Pope doesn’t mean that the Pope wants this.

The Pope did NOT abolish JPII institute by any means. He gave it a more modern name, praised it and ADDED to the work he wanted it to do.

Offering a Mass for suffering people is not a carte-Blanche acceptance of homosexual behavior. Although I would need more real information from an unbiased source to continue to comment on that one. LSN is often found to be inflammatory.

And the Australian bishop–AGAIN–picking at the things that he wants, and ignoring everything else. The Pope has even clarified this recently. Just because someone is badly skewing words, doesn’t mean that the original speaker has the fault.

In short, all of this is not “fruit” of the Pope. It’s the very twisted rebellion of a media hellbent to turn the Pope into their sockpuppet, even if it means bending every last word.
 
The pope may not want it but I don’t see him doing anything about it. It seems he would do this if they are misrepresenting his intentions - I know I sure would - I wouldn’t want anyone to misrepresent me. I didn’t say it was the fruit of the pope - by the way - so see you are misrepresenting what I said and I sure as heck will correct you.
 
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The pope may not want it but I don’t see him doing anything about it. It seems he would do this if they are misrepresenting his intentions - I know I sure would - I wouldn’t want anyone to misrepresent me. I didn’t say it was the fruit of the pope - by the way - so see you are misrepresenting what I said and I sure as heck will correct you.
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Fighting the current modern media is like wrestling with a pig.

It has been show that trying to dispute the media is futile and worse outcomes are likey to occur.
 
So, you see Pope Francis as the victim. And we should pay no attention to what our clergy is doing? Well it is obvious that our Pope wants to reform catholic thinking - getting away from being “rigid” (our pope’s word for describing traditional catholics). It seems to be we all will be put in a situation where we will have to decide to go with him or remain with tradition. The saddest part of all this is that one church cannot exist with different beliefs on the same topics so there, it seems, will be 2 churches - one ordained by God and the other a non-catholic or “false catholic” church. Who knows but God how this will impact the salvation of perhaps many people.
 
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So, you see Pope Francis as the victim. And we should pay no attention to what our clergy is doing? Well it is obvious that our Pope wants to reform catholic thinking - getting away from being “rigid” (our pope’s word for describing traditional catholics). It seems to be we all will be put in a situation where we will have to decide to go with him or remain with tradition. The saddest part of all this is that one church cannot exist with different beliefs on the same topics so there, it seems, will be 2 churches - one ordained by God and the other a non-catholic or “false catholic” church. Who knows but God how this will impact the salvation of perhaps many people.
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Of the media? Sure he’s the victim.

And remember in some places traditional Catholics have become very cruel. Apparently, it is not an uncommon experience as my sharing revealed a whole list of travesties done in the name of preserving TLM. The Pope has apparently addressed them. Good for him.

It is highly heretical of you to suggest that Pope Francis is leading a “false Catholic Church”

If you’re implying that the media is forcing the creation of a false Catholic Church–it’s likely and not really new. We call those people Protestants.
 
well if the media was trying to break up the catholic church then how could the traditional church ever be considered a false church? Maybe the media wants to create the illusion of our popes updated church to be the false church? At any rate the secular media has always hated the catholic church which is even more so obvious these days when they pass laws that condone sin. There is a lot going on and there are several possible agenda’s interacting - it has lead to many being confused and for the time being we will have to wait to see what happens with the formal correction of the pope - which cardinal burke has spoken about recently.
 
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Well it is obvious that our Pope wants to reform catholic thinking - getting away from being “rigid”
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Yes this is true. It has been overdue.
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It seems to be we all will be put in a situation where we will have to decide to go with him or remain with tradition. The saddest part of all this is that one church cannot exist with different beliefs on the same topics so there, it seems, will be 2 churches - one ordained by God and the other a non-catholic or “false catholic” church. Who knows but God how this will impact the salvation of perhaps many people.
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No, no. Now you have eaten the rotten fruit of the media. Look what it has done to you and countless others. The pope is not to blame for your, and others’, fear and misunderstanding.
 
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And the Australian bishop–AGAIN–picking at the things that he wants, and ignoring everything else. The Pope has even clarified this recently. Just because someone is badly skewing words, doesn’t mean that the original speaker has the fault.
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Everyone needs to read what those 2 Bishops said.

Because they are against SSM.

Oppositeman, You need to READ what you are posting before trying to sell it to us as a sign of the times.
 
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so you are saying we can have one church with some believing that under no circumstances (unless they live as sister and brother) can a remarried person receive communion and other believing they can? how can this be?

I don’t mind getting away from my rigid thinking as long as official teaching does not change - because it can’t - a pope can’t do that.
 
I believe that’s the wrong way to look at the issue. I honestly don’t know why some bishops aren’t following the pope’s line of thought here. to me, it’s not that complicated.

I suppose bishops are worried about scandal…people thinking that anyone who id remarried can just walk up and receive communion, which is not the case stated in AL.

This is just going to take time to unfold. It will. These sorts of changes happen quite often throughout Church history. Some of them get more pushback than others, but things always keep moving forward. AL is simply another step…the practice outlined in FC were a novelty at the time as well. I’m sure there were laity and clergy back then who couldn’t stop reaching for the smelling salts as well.
 
yes I understand they are against it being called “marriage” but yet recognize the “union” in the context of it being legal. Regardless of what it’s called it still called sodomy by God.
 
I think the issue very much here is the viewpoint that if one cannot speak without it being twisted by the media, one should not speak at all.

However, this just isn’t practical, normal or reasonable, and it could lead to far greater scandal.

Let’s face it, with the advent of youtube and facebook, the media is struggling to stay relevant. They have become a tabloid joke, but many older people do not understand that. They think the media is still pure reporting. I don’t see the big conglomerates lasting but a decade more.

People have taken bad soundbites and claimed them as truth.

The media knows exactly what it’s doing. It’s convincing all the clueless athiests and people with agendas that the Church is finally agreeing with them. It’s lying to them and saying that everything they do is all hunky-dory now.

Why? Because it LOOKS good. It drives ratings. It makes people who don’t care about media stand up and pay attention to them.

The thing is, traditional Catholics didn’t care when Benedict was demonized for things he didn’t say about being a strict Catholic. No one stood up and said “OH MY GOSH BENEDICT HAS BAD FRUIT” because the media skewed his saying that TLM must be offered into him saying that the church was going to be TLM only very soon.

Why? Because then the media was telling you something that you wanted. You liked their lie. Their lie made you happy and you wished it would come true. The Pope spoke and was misunderstood? Well, it isn’t that bad. I mean it wouldn’t be that bad to you if the OF was replaced. So the lie was fine. Heck, maybe I’d scare people into attending TLM just to get used to it. Hell, the media was doing you a favor.

So why a crisis when the same thing happens but in the opposite direction?

Because now you don’t like the lies.

And it’s all the Pope’s fault the media is doing it. Yeah…no.
 
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the bottom line is always people believe what they want when all is said and done. Few people keep an open mind for very long. One thing that will be accomplished by all this is that the wheat and the chaff will be separated and perhaps that is why God is allowing it.
 
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the bottom line is always people believe what they want when all is said and done. Few people keep an open mind for very long. One thing that will be accomplished by all this is that the wheat and the chaff will be separated and perhaps that is why God is allowing it.
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Yeahhh…I think you’re looking into this way more than needed. People forget about things very quickly, too, just like most people mad at the media have completely forgotten the crazy things that the media said about Benedict. Mostly, because those angriest at Pope Francis for being the victim of being skewed by the media, liked the way the media skewed everything Benedict said.

There was just as much chaff created by the Pharisee TLM’ers who read the headlines and took them for face value. Still, I’ve yet to see a single complaint where someone was upset that Benedict’s words were exaggerated or even completely skewed. Why? Becuase it almost always fit the ultra-conservative, TLM pervue.

Blaming Pope Francis is just ridiculous and unnecessary. We would better spend our time seeking out those confused people and guiding them to the truth 1:1 than flapping on and on about how it’s all Pope Francis’ fault…because it’s not.
 
what part do you not get about the media skewing things? All this about Cardinal Burke is based off of media insinuating things that just aren’t there. Just because EWTN reports on this bad information dosn’t mean that it’s good. They just end up looking like idiots, like all the rest of the people who aren’t actually researching.
 
here is the latest interview with cardinal burke - scroll down and you will see the topic heading fo AL

katolikusvalasz.blog.hu

Exclusive interview with Cdl. Raymond Burke - Part I.

It is our pleasure and a great honor that His Eminence Raymond Leo Cardinal Burke has granted an exclusive interview to the Hungarian independent Catholic news and commentary site, Katolikus Válasz.This interview was conducted in a written form and the questions were sent to His Eminence on August…
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Blogs are not news sources. You’re literally driving yourself crazy over internet llama drama!
 
its not a blog - His Eminence Raymond Leo Cardinal Burke has granted an exclusive interview to the Hungarian independent Catholic news and commentary site, Katolikus Válasz. I would say you and others need to stop writing off the media - there are many legitimate news stories people are not paying attention to because they have their mind made up that it is some sort of conspiracy against our pope.I don’t buy it and am sorry to see others thinking this way. Sure we want to protect our pope against whatever is false but the dubia isn’t false - there is good reason for it.
 
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