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I am a book worm like no tomorrow šŸ™‚ I was wondering if there were any books on Traditional Catholicism that would be a good read. Thank you!
 
I am a book worm like no tomorrow šŸ™‚ I was wondering if there were any books on Traditional Catholicism that would be a good read. Thank you!
I take it you mean on the extraordinary form of Mass and the various groups attached to the extraordinary form?

The Mass in slow motion by Mgr Ronald Knox is good
and the organic development of the liturgy by Alcuin Reid are quite good on the liturgical front
and if you can find them the works of an english man called Michael Davies are very good as well particularly his book ā€œThe Order of Melchisedechā€ I haven’t read a general history of the last forty years though so can’t help you with that one.
 
I am a book worm like no tomorrow šŸ™‚ I was wondering if there were any books on Traditional Catholicism that would be a good read. Thank you!
To know where we are headed, it is essential to understand where we’ve been.

The Coming Catholic Church
David Gibson

Models of the Church
Avery Dulles

A Church to Believe In
Avery Dulles

Economic Justice for All
United States Catholic Conference

Tenth Anniversary of Economic Justice for All
United States Catholic Conference

Reconstructing Catholicism
Robert A. Ludwig

Foundations of Christian Faith
Karl Rahner

The Love of Jesus and the Love of Neighbor
Karl Rahner

A Modern Liturgical Liturgy Handbook
John P. Mossi

Christianity & Feminism in Conversation
Regina A. Coll

Collaborative Ministry
Loughlan Sofield & Carrol Juliano

Build Your Own
Alan Rose
amazon.com/Build-Your-Hindenburg-world-move/dp/0399508643/ref=sr_1_31?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1291334740&sr=1-31
 
I am a book worm like no tomorrow šŸ™‚ I was wondering if there were any books on Traditional Catholicism that would be a good read. Thank you!
This Is The Faith by Canon Francis Ripley

Published in 1951 and simply the best. Easy reading and covers it all.
 
I also would recommend anything by the late Michaels Davies. Many of his writings are available at Angelus Press. šŸ‘
 
I also would recommend anything by the late Michaels Davies. Many of his writings are available at Angelus Press. šŸ‘
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Also, Fr F.X.Lasance’s prayer books are good to have.
 
To know where we are headed, it is essential to understand where we’ve been.

The Coming Catholic Church
David Gibson

Models of the Church
Avery Dulles

A Church to Believe In
Avery Dulles

Economic Justice for All
United States Catholic Conference

Tenth Anniversary of Economic Justice for All
United States Catholic Conference

Reconstructing Catholicism
Robert A. Ludwig

Foundations of Christian Faith
Karl Rahner

The Love of Jesus and the Love of Neighbor
Karl Rahner

A Modern Liturgical Liturgy Handbook
John P. Mossi

Christianity & Feminism in Conversation
Regina A. Coll

Collaborative Ministry
Loughlan Sofield & Carrol Juliano

Build Your Own
Alan Rose
amazon.com/Build-Your-Hindenburg-world-move/dp/0399508643/ref=sr_1_31?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1291334740&sr=1-31
Karl Rahner as a recommendation for traditional Catholicism ?

Some pretty radical works there Mick.
 
Karl Rahner as a recommendation for traditional Catholicism ?

Some pretty radical works there Mick.
Actually, Rahner is not a bad read. I studied his works and found him fascinating. In fact, Pope Benedict uses a lot of his material in his own writings, especially in his ecclesiology.

I’ll share my impression of what happened with Rahner. Remember, it’s just my impression. First, we all know that Rahner is not a heretic. His writings are still used at every Pontifical school of theology in Rome. Let’s get that out of the way. The Holy See would not allow him to be used in its schools if he were a shady character.

Now to my impressions. I believe that Rahner, like Ratzinger, was a genius. There were several problems. The first was that he was trying to propose some new paradigms and some of his fans failed to see that these were proposals for discussion. Instead, they took them as absolute truths and ran with them. But it was not Fr. Rahner’s intent to write dogma. His intent was to put on the table questions that were in people’s minds. He didn’t make up these questions. They were present in the minds of many theologians for many years. No one had dared voice them. I think that his courage to voice the questions and try to answer them elevated him to a false kind of stardom. Rather than read the questions and the answers, then come back with answers of their own, some people just took his answers and off they went.

What, then Fr. Ratzinger did was to take the same questions, examine Rahner’s answers and offer other answers. This created a fascinating dialogue in the great theological schools of Europe. However, this dialogue never made it to the Americas. Only Rahner made it. I can’t explain why it happened that way.

I was fortunate enough to be a theology student in Rome at the time when the dialogue between Rahner, Kung, Ratzinger and Wojtila was very active. It was fascinating. Of course they all moved in different directions in 1978 and that was the end of the dialogue.

Nevertheless, they had great respect for each other, even though they disagreed on some very fundamental issues and some not so fundamental things too. There were also points of agreement.

I believe that people should not read these kinds of writings alone. They really require two things: a group where critical thinking takes place, so that if one person is swayed in the wrong direction, others can help bring him or her back to the center. Second, it requires a leader (teacher) who understands the issues that they are discussing and can point out the real question. Often, the question is lost in the rhetoric.

I remember reading writings by these men and looking up wondering, ā€œWhat was the question?ā€ They said so much, that I lost the question. When that happened, I no longer knew if what I was reading was right or wrong. Because I was in a graduate degree program, in study groups with guys who were very bright, I could recover. Someone always came to my rescue. OK, I admit it. I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed. 😃

If one is willing to keep an open mind, hear the question, and consider his answers, Rahner makes you think. You may disagree with him, but you’ll thank him, because he does not let you off with a simplistic answer, ā€œWell the Church has always said this.ā€ He does not write for that kind of audience. He writes for the person who is going to look at his answers, look at what the Church says, and then go back and find the supporting principles, concepts, works, and scriptural references that the Church uses to make her case.

I enjoyed this kind of reading, because it prepared me for my daily classes. This is the way that they teach theology in Rome. You can’t just give pat answers, ā€œThe Church has always believed this.ā€ You’ll fail the class. The professors push you to support the Church’s position, not just assent to it. That’s what makes men like Pope John Paul and Pope Benedict such fascinating popes. They don’t simply give out rules and dogmas. They dish out concepts, abstracts, formulae, principles, alternatives, and a variety of paradigms all of which were behind every teaching of the Church. In the past, the Church only gave out the teaching, not the concepts that led to it. That’s a very 20th century way of doing things. Prior to that, only seminarians had access to these debates.

That’s why I like the writings of Pope Benedict. He gives you questions, concepts and then organizes them to answer the question. That’s what Rahner was trying to do. However, people did all kinds of crazy things with his work, especially in Holland.

If you’re willing to do a lot of reading, Rahner is very interesting. You better like German sentence structure too. Some of his sentences go for two pages.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF šŸ™‚
 
I am a book worm like no tomorrow šŸ™‚ I was wondering if there were any books on Traditional Catholicism that would be a good read. Thank you!
Are you looking for books about the present-day popular movement within the Church toward a recovery of traditional liturgy, piety, spirituality; or that are written from the perspective of tradition-minded Catholics analyzing events and trends in the Church since the beginning of the Vatican II era?

Or are you looking for books that self-described Traditional/ist Catholics believe to exemplify traditional Catholic treatments of subjects like the Mass and Sacraments, personal prayer, etc.?
 
Are you looking for books about the present-day popular movement within the Church toward a recovery of traditional liturgy, piety, spirituality; or that are written from the perspective of tradition-minded Catholics analyzing events and trends in the Church since the beginning of the Vatican II era?

Or are you looking for books that self-described Traditional/ist Catholics believe to exemplify traditional Catholic treatments of subjects like the Mass and Sacraments, personal prayer, etc.?
Good question and good distinctions šŸ‘

If you want classics I would suggest:

Introduction to the Devout Life

The Way of Pefection

Immitation of Christ

Living in the Presence of God

Revelations of Divine Love

Cloud of Unknowing

Disciple and the Master

Fire Within

Jesus of Nazareth

Third Spiritual Alphabet

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF šŸ™‚
 
Good question and good distinctions šŸ‘

If you want classics I would suggest:

Introduction to the Devout Life

The Way of Pefection

Immitation of Christ

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Awesome suggestions, but you forgot one other great work which another CAF member recently posted about here in the TC forum:

Practice and Perfection of Christian Virtues
In Two Volumes: Volume 1, Volume 2
by Fr. Alphonsus Rodriguez, S.J.

I’m partial to that one as it had a profound effect on me, but by all means it’s a classic that deserves to be re-promoted in our age that’s so lost touch with Catholic tradition.
 
Awesome suggestions, but you forgot one other great work which another CAF member recently posted about here in the TC forum:

Practice and Perfection of Christian Virtues
In Two Volumes: Volume 1, Volume 2
by Fr. Alphonsus Rodriguez, S.J.

I’m partial to that one as it had a profound effect on me, but by all means it’s a classic that deserves to be re-promoted in our age that’s so lost touch with Catholic tradition.
I read it, but it bored me. That’s why I did not put it on my list. It’s a great work and certainly a classic. It just was not my style of writing. I can give you my entire reading list from seminary. They were all good works. Some are just easier reading than others and some move along, while others drag on and on and on. 😃

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF šŸ™‚
 
Thank you kindly for all of your responses. I really appreciate it. Oh and Br. JR I would thoroughly enjoy seing what you studied in seminary. Also if you would recommend any books on Franciscan teachings, I would enjoy that as well. I am currently looking more into the Franciscan way of life in terms for laypeople for me and my husband. Again thank you all šŸ™‚
 
Thank you kindly for all of your responses. I really appreciate it. Oh and Br. JR I would thoroughly enjoy seing what you studied in seminary. Also if you would recommend any books on Franciscan teachings, I would enjoy that as well. I am currently looking more into the Franciscan way of life in terms for laypeople for me and my husband. Again thank you all šŸ™‚
You want to begin with the life of St. Francis. I loved The Perfect Joy of St. Francis. It reads like a novel. Then there is the biography written by St. Bonaventure, St. Francis of Assisi. I warn you, it’s translated in Victorian English. There is another translation that I have not read, which is actually three of his works in one. They say that it’s standard British English.

The writings of Francis and Clare are an absolute must. There is a wonderful book by Regis Armstrong, OFM. Cap, Francis and Clare/] You should follow that up with the movie by the same title. It’s very well done and quite accurate too. Then you want to progress into the inner mind of the Holy Father. Read Brother Francis by Ignacio LaraƱaga, OFM Cap. From there you must proceed to the biblical relationship between Francis and Jesus. Read Master and Disciple by Bonaventure. Finally, you want to read about the journey of his soul into communion with Christ where he becomes the Mirror of Perfection. Read, Soul’s Journey Into God where Bonaventure takes the journey of St. Francis’ soul as the model for all journeys into God.

However, no study of St. Francis is complete without reading Franciscan theology. The Third Spiritual Alphabet by Francisco de Osuna, which actually inspired Teresa of Avila to reform Carmel, sums up Franciscan theology of prayer and penance.

Those are just to get whet your appetite for the real good stuff in Franciscan theology. Then come Franciscan Liturgical traditions, Franciscan Art and Music, Franciscan Philosophy, Franciscan History, and the Franciscan saints. If you want to read a piece of writing by a Secular Franciscan saint that sums up the life and vision that Francis had for the world and the Secular Order, you must read, Utopia by Thomas More. It is the most misunderstood book by Catholics. Because Thomas only told one friar what he was doing. In Utopia he takes the writings of St. Francis on Social Justice and rewrites them as a novel. Those who have never read Francis’ writings on Peace and Justice, are baffled by it. You must read it with the Letters and the Admonitions next to you so that you can cross-reference them.

The above is a good start for a first-year Franciscan student. During the second, third, fourth and fifth year of formation, you can get into the heavy stuff: Lawrence of Brindisi, Fidelis, Duns Scotus, Leo XIII, Pius X, Pius XII and John XXIII, all of them Franciscans who wrote extensively on the Franciscan life in the Church.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF šŸ™‚
 
I read it, but it bored me. That’s why I did not put it on my list. It’s a great work and certainly a classic. It just was not my style of writing. I can give you my entire reading list from seminary. They were all good works. Some are just easier reading than others and some move along, while others drag on and on and on. 😃
Sure. Personality, temperament, personal tastes, educational background – all these can affect our individual response to one work vs. another, while we can still appreciate things on a more objective level.

Rodriguez’s systematic treatment of his subject matter appeals to me, while it avoids being too synthetic (i.e. there are plenty of stories and anecdotes and colorful analogies to keep it from being a dry manual of ascetical principles). I’m a computer programmer, and when I write something or try to solve a problem my first instinct is to chop up the subject into logical parts and start moving through them one by one. Likewise, when studying a new subject, I gravitate toward treatments of it (books, etc.) that take the same approach.

Take the late Fr. Dubay’s (may he rest in peace) book Fire Within. It’s well-written, but to be honest I had a hard time ā€œapplyingā€ it in my life. Whereas when I hit upon Rodriguez, I felt like I’d found a spiritual home in which I could take up shelter and find nourishment. Other souls might have quite the opposite reaction. That being said, I readily point folks to Dubay’s works if they’re looking for solid resources on the spiritual life and contemplative prayer, especially if they demonstrate some attraction to Carmelite spirituality.

Anyway, I don’t want to divert this thread, but just thought I’d follow up.
 
Good question and good distinctions šŸ‘

If you want classics I would suggest:

Introduction to the Devout Life

The Way of Pefection

Immitation of Christ

Living in the Presence of God

Revelations of Divine Love

Cloud of Unknowing

Disciple and the Master

Fire Within

Jesus of Nazareth

Third Spiritual Alphabet

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF šŸ™‚
Of those listed I’m familiar with… šŸ‘

I dunno, Of Rahner and some, not all, of his like minded colleagues … Humani generis 🤷

There is just so much to read. Thanks for the review of his works. I’m sure that all those Nouvelle ThĆ©ologie thinkers had their own individual views, but when a pope writes against such thought in general, I think those not fully studied in theology could be swayed in a not so orthodox manner. With your education, yes, you are qualified to discern what may be questionable.

I admit, I haven’t read anything by Rahner, just of him. I have seen nothing by H.H. to worry about.
 
Good question and good distinctions šŸ‘

If you want classics I would suggest:

Introduction to the Devout Life

The Way of Pefection

Immitation of Christ

Living in the Presence of God

Revelations of Divine Love

Cloud of Unknowing

Disciple and the Master

Fire Within

Jesus of Nazareth

Third Spiritual Alphabet

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF šŸ™‚
Great! I was wondering whether I was on the Traditional Catholic Forum! ha ha
 
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