"recovering Catholics"?

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Oh no, you will find that it is you who are missing the point. About a great many things.

Seriously, I respect people’s right to express opinions that I disagree with. For example, “I’m glad I’m no longer Catholic” and “I’m a recovering Catholic” both express an opinion with which I disagree. But the point is that the latter statement is offensive.

P.S. Since you’re now an atheist, wouldn’t it be more natural for you to say “I’m a recovering Christian” rather than “I’m a recovering Catholic”? It seems to me that by saying “I’m a recovering Catholic”, you’re trying to turn Christians against one another.
Peter, althought I agree with Phantasm that no rudeness is intended, I can see your point and that of others that it can be taken that way. I suspect former Roman Catholics use the term as an identifier to their present faith communities and usually little more. Or perhaps to suggest that they have left the RC faith tradition and have not located another, or have decided that religion is not their “thing”. Like I said, I thought it was a joke on the stereotypical “Catholic” but I would use it personally to mean a breaking free of dogmatic teaching. I would not expect anyone else to know that however without explanation. If it is offensive to some, then it should probably be dropped as usage, and people should explain more fully what has happened in their faith life.
 
Originally Posted by phantasm
Although I’ve committed the unforgivable sin, you don’t have to worry. If I change my mind and believe there is a God, I still have lots of brands to choose from.

I can become a Muslim, a Hindu, a Jew, a Buddhist, a Sikh, heck I’d make a great Scientologist.

I’m sure one of those other Gods would be happy to have me worshiping him or them!
you don’t know Christ… He is not anything like those religious people you mention…

He is not even much like what most christians say or believe…

If you were Catholic (devoutly and informed)… you would know waht i am talking about… but trying to explain to someone who doesn’t know… is, well, out of my field of expertise or something…
I just must comment. As you can see, I am Episcopalian. We are doing 4 hours, one each Sunday on the Desert Fathers and Mothers as part of our Lenten series. Last Sunday we were visited by a Sister from the Franciscan Retreat Center near our Church. Sister Ann, a cradle Catholic and sister for some years, agreed when I suggested that I thought God spoke to all people in terms were culturally right for them, whether they be Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh or Native America. She also, in her presentation on silence, quiet, solitude, and prayer, suggested that NOT A SINGLE LIFE IS LOST, NOT ONE.

I recognize that you believe there is only one way to join with God as Spirit, but many many Roman Catholics I’ve met have a much different and much broader view of things. I’m sure it doesn’t meet your orthodox standards, but perhaps God doesn’t care about your standards either. Not a one of us knows that. We all just do the best we can to love and serve.
 
Well, I thought about the touching, tasting, and feeling too. Since I receive Jesus’ body, blood, soul, and divinity daily.
I really, really tried to believe it. Except, the absurdity of the belief insulted my rational senses, and I simply could not lie to myself. When I finally admitted that I did not believe in the real presence, I now know, it was the beginning of my departure.

I have more respect for a Catholic who believes in the real presence, than a “Catholic” who maintains they are a real Catholic, yet believes the Eucharist is merely a spiritual representation of Christ.
 
Like I said, I thought it was a joke on the stereotypical “Catholic” but I would use it personally to mean a breaking free of dogmatic teaching. I would not expect anyone else to know that however without explanation. If it is offensive to some, then it should probably be dropped as usage, and people should explain more fully what has happened in their faith life.
Are you not furthering the false “stereo type?”

Making fun of a persons faith is no more humorous than making racist jokes.
 
I really, really tried to believe it. Except, the absurdity of the belief insulted my rational senses, and I simply could not lie to myself. When I finally admitted that I did not believe in the real presence, I now know, it was the beginning of my departure.

I have more respect for a Catholic who believes in the real presence, than a “Catholic” who maintains they are a real Catholic, yet believes the Eucharist is merely a spiritual representation of Christ.
Thank you. Now you are more human!

I agree that belief in the Real Presence appears absurd and irrational. But I am just the opposite of you - I cannot make myself disbelieve!

I find belief in the human soul, life, emotions beyond comprehension. It’s a mystery I embrace.

That is why I am Catholic - the incense, the smells. The Church celebrates the mystery.

youtube.com/watch?v=h0nSjxDKJEo&mode=related&search=
 
Thank you. Now you are more human!
I agree that belief in the Real Presence appears absurd and irrational. But I am just the opposite of you - I cannot make myself disbelieve!
Good post! I agree. Life is too vast and uncertain to try to go it alone. The Love of God is too vast for my inadequate human mind to comprehend, much less second-guess. Much arrogance is attached to the profession of atheism…I know, I used to be one. If I am wrong, I disappear into oblivion, if I, and God are right, I will enjoy an eternity of happiness with my Lord. Atheists are rolling the eternal dice.
 
and how do practicing Catholics respond when they meet someone who identifies that way?

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Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 And they by the way side are they that hear; then the devil cometh, and taketh the word out of their heart, lest believing they should be saved. 13 Now they upon the rock, are they who when they hear, receive the word with joy: and these have no roots; for they believe for a while, and in time of temptation, they fall away. 14 And that which fell among thorns, are they who have heard, and going their way, are choked with the cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and yield no fruit. 15 **But that on the good ground, are they who in a good and perfect heart, hearing the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit in patience. **

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Are you not furthering the false “stereo type?”

Making fun of a persons faith is no more humorous than making racist jokes.
I can’t imagine how, since I stated a couple examples of what is thought of as stereotypical and called both false. That would the opposite of furthering the belief. 🤷
 
Good post! I agree. Life is too vast and uncertain to try to go it alone. The Love of God is too vast for my inadequate human mind to comprehend, much less second-guess. Much arrogance is attached to the profession of atheism…I know, I used to be one. If I am wrong, I disappear into oblivion, if I, and God are right, I will enjoy an eternity of happiness with my Lord. Atheists are rolling the eternal dice.
I have to admit, I once knew a man full of compassion that was liked by just about everyone. He was sweet, sincere, honest, the love and caring in his eyes were unbelievable. And he was an atheist. I couldn’t believe it when he told me that. He said I was lucky I had an experience that caused me to change my beliefs, but he had not had anything like that. Yet, he also believed in psychics and most probably that type of spirituality. I prayed for him everyday, and when I remember him, I still pray for him. I think in time, he will (or possibly already has) convert. It doesn’t really matter if it’s to Catholicism or some other Christian denomination, if he just believes, God will lead him home.

It really is something when you start to believe, even if just a little, and at that point, your understanding starts to increase. When I didn’t believe, or didn’t care too much either way if there was a God or not, I obviously didn’t understand. I didnt’ understand the Bible and certainly didn’t understand or even agree with much of Catholicism. Even after my first “experience”, I didn’t understand and kind of pushed it aside and tried to forget about it. Then one day my mom told me to pray a chaplet. I threw the pamphlet aside, as I did to any religious book or item.

When I started having extreme difficulty in life and it seemed on the verge of falling apart, I figured “what would it hurt if I said a prayer?” So I decided to pick up that Chaplet my mom gave me and say it. It wasn’t too long afterwards I started understanding things I never could. It’s only gotten more intense since then. I don’t know what happened to me, but I’m glad it did. I have a much more profound sense of peace and order and no longer hate people (okay, I hate the way the world is going, but I don’t hate individuals, no matter how much they may get on my nerves or upset me.) And at times, not initiated by myself - times when I’m not expecting it - I have this wash of peace and contentment come over me. It doesn’t last long at all, but it’s definitley worth “feeling” (in a sense). When it happens, you don’t ever want it to leave you.

I guess you can say I’m a “recovering ex-Catholic”. Actually, does anyone happen to have an idea of what you would have called me when I wasn’t a practicing Catholic? I didn’t know if God existed and I really didn’t care if He did or not. I didn’t even want to think about anything religious. Perhaps it was a lukewarm Catholic? Or an agnostic? I can’t seem to find the term that classifies myself properly during that period of my life. Perhaps simply “secularist”…
 
That seems odd to me. I know a number of former Roman Catholics like myself, and not a one is angry at the church. We just en mass didn’t agree with certain dogma. There was no animosity. I am sure there are some who do feel so, most probably those that have been abused in some way by church clergy, but honestly I do know a lot of former RC’s and none express any anger. Pointing out it’s shortcomings happens of course, from their and certainly my point of view. But in reality my remembrances are almost all positive from the clergy on down.
my experience /observations have been more along the of deb1’s… that ex-Catholics… are angry and bitter… or at least resentful and negative about the Church…

this one i am now thinking of was undoubtedly bitter and antagonistic (to me because i was opely Catholic in her “non-denom” group) because she had been married/divorced several times and knew the Church did NOT condone that and obviously didn’t recognize her current marriage.

I hate to get people riled up but a lot of the time when people have left the Church, if you find out enough about their past, you will find this kind of thing… They wanted to do this or that and the Church was against it…

when someone leaves the Church, it is NOT because the Church is wrong… The people therein are often wrong… sinful …but the Church (what She officially teaches) is never wrong on morals… dogma… and i think a lot of ex-C’s know that… but they can’t say they disagree w/ something that makes perfect sense (like the dogma that abortion is murder, for example) so they focus on soemthing else… happens all the time…

(not all of them, but a lot of them…)
 
I have to admit, I once knew a man full of compassion that was liked by just about everyone. He was sweet, sincere, honest, the love and caring in his eyes were unbelievable. And he was an atheist.
I’ve known people who were more “loving” before they converted or reverted than before… kinda strange until you realize tht the devil doesn’t like that kind of thing… and also the fact that being a true Catholic is NOT easy… esepcially with the devil harrassing you all the more because of it…
I guess you can say I’m a “recovering ex-Catholic”. Actually, does anyone happen to have an idea of what you would have called me when I wasn’t a practicing Catholic? I didn’t know if God existed and I really didn’t care if He did or not. I didn’t even want to think about anything religious. Perhaps it was a lukewarm Catholic? Or an agnostic? I can’t seem to find the term that classifies myself properly during that period of my life. Perhaps simply “secularist”…
i think you were just human… and young and didn’t know things… We’ve all been there…

it’s strange but sometimes i think i was closer to God - in some odd way or another - when i… didn’t “know” things…

but i also know that this is not entirely true… It is not possible to know God without knowing His word… his laws… I mean, you can know him by observing waht he’s created… but when it comes to inter-relating with other humanoids… well, we need help!!!

but then i guess we need help regardless… 😃
 
I’m a recovering Catholic.

I think your missing the point entirely.

It’s a humorous term to express how someone is in the process of cleansing themselves from their Roman Catholic indoctrination.

I would think that their are very few people who aim to be taken seriously when they claim that they’re recovering Catholics.
If you are a “recovering Catholic” why are you associating with other Catholics?
I assume like any other “recovering addict” you are supposed to keep away from your souce of temptation. For example, a recovering alcoholic should not be hanging out with other alcoholics, because he will probably slide off the wagon eventually. Aren’t you afraid you might become a “practicing Catholic” again?😃
 
If you are a “recovering Catholic” why are you associating with other Catholics?
I assume like any other “recovering addict” you are supposed to keep away from your souce of temptation. For example, a recovering alcoholic should not be hanging out with other alcoholics, because he will probably slide off the wagon eventually. Aren’t you afraid you might become a “practicing Catholic” again?😃
“Recovering Catholic” is for the most part, a humorous term and is not to be taken seriously.

I have forever shed my Catholic superstitions. I have committed the unforgivable sin, so there is no fear that I am in danger of falling back into bondage, as there is no possible return for me.

I am here for debate, conversation, free thought and appeal to the rational mind.

If I detect that a person calls themselves Catholic, yet holds liberal Protestant Progressive Christian views, I most certainly will call them out.
 
"I have forever shed my Catholic superstitions. I have committed the unforgivable sin, so there is no fear that I am in danger of falling back into bondage, as there is no possible return for me.

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But you can only commit the unforgivable sin if you know that God exists. If you don’t understand that God is real then you aren’t completely culpable for what you did.
 
“Recovering Catholic” is for the most part, a humorous term and is not to be taken seriously.

I have forever shed my Catholic superstitions. I have committed the unforgivable sin, so there is no fear that I am in danger of falling back into bondage, as there is no possible return for me.

I am here for debate, conversation, free thought and appeal to the rational mind.

If I detect that a person calls themselves Catholic, yet holds liberal Protestant Progressive Christian views, I most certainly will call them out.
I’m a recovering agnostic. I came back to the Catholic faith a few years ago. I’m here to learn more from other Catholics. I like the dialogue, but I am not afraid to express my doubts about things that are confusing to me. I also read the Bible every day.

What is your unforgivable sin? I thought there was no sin that was unforgivable. Unless you mean turning away from God. But of course, He will always welcome you back, as a prodigal son. I know - He welcomed me back!
 
“Recovering Catholic” is for the most part, a humorous term and is not to be taken seriously.
I have forever shed my Catholic superstitions. I have committed the unforgivable sin, so there is no fear that I am in danger of falling back into bondage, as there is no possible return for me.
 
I can’t imagine how, since I stated a couple examples of what is thought of as stereotypical and called both false. That would the opposite of furthering the belief. 🤷
“Recovering Catholic” is for the most part, a humorous term and is not to be taken seriously.

I have forever shed my Catholic superstitions. I have committed the unforgivable sin, so there is no fear that I am in danger of falling back into bondage, as there is no possible return for me.

I am here for debate, conversation, free thought and appeal to the rational mind.

If I detect that a person calls themselves Catholic, yet holds liberal Protestant Progressive Christian views, I most certainly will call them out.
Very odd. The post (#93) to which I am referring has Christine77, yet when I reply, I see Spirit in the quote.:confused:

Any way, Phantasm, welcome to CAF. I haven’t seen much atheism on the threads I have frequented, so it’s interesting to see your POV, especially since you were once a practicing Catholic.

I don’t think you can rationally measure everything in life. Love is a case against rationalism. What rational person would put up with love and the sacrifices it requires? When I had my first child, I finally understood the unconditional love of Jesus. Here was this miracle of flesh from my flesh. I had known this child for only minutes, and I was ready to give up my whole life in care of it. It’s only response was to cry, sleep, and deliver dirty diapers! I couldn’t wait to have another one! 🙂

That’s not rational!:rolleyes:

PS, he is now 21 and I can’t wait till he moves out. That’s rational!👍
 
What rational person would put up with love and the sacrifices it requires? When I had my first child, I finally understood the unconditional love of Jesus. :
can’t help thinking:

maybe this is why men… generally don’t seem to know much about unconditional love…
 
my experience /observations have been more along the of deb1’s… that ex-Catholics… are angry and bitter… or at least resentful and negative about the Church…

this one i am now thinking of was undoubtedly bitter and antagonistic (to me because i was opely Catholic in her “non-denom” group) because she had been married/divorced several times and knew the Church did NOT condone that and obviously didn’t recognize her current marriage.

I hate to get people riled up but a lot of the time when people have left the Church, if you find out enough about their past, you will find this kind of thing… They wanted to do this or that and the Church was against it…

when someone leaves the Church, it is NOT because the Church is wrong… The people therein are often wrong… sinful …but the Church (what She officially teaches) is never wrong on morals… dogma… and i think a lot of ex-C’s know that… but they can’t say they disagree w/ something that makes perfect sense (like the dogma that abortion is murder, for example) so they focus on soemthing else… happens all the time…

(not all of them, but a lot of them…)
That always seems the problem here, ex Catholics speak what motivates them and they are dismissed by Catholics who “know” better. There was a thread which asked why ex-RC’s had left and our remarks were ignored. Instead over and over we were told that we were “lazy, angry, desireous of feel good churches, wanting to do our own thing” etc.

I understand that the RCC teachs that it cannot be wrong on morals. But of course you must understand that Non-RC’s don’t accept this at all as being true.

I’m not going to get into a argument over who’s lot is harder, but I would suggest that in some ways it is far easier to simple let a denomination tell you what you “must believe” and then struggle with your temptations to do otherwise. Some here claim that being RC is hard and that’s why God invented Protestantism. --for those of us unable to bear up as the superior people who remain RC.

Amusing on its face to the rest of us. To believe that God requires us to Love and to support each other, and that all are saved, and yet still to do what is needed purely for the love of God, is hard, because I can rightfully claim that my “salvation” doesn’t depend on it. I must truly try to put on the mantle of Christ and love and do whatever it takes to help others be whole. To see the parent of a murdered child forgive and help to uplift the murderer is an awe inspiring thing. It reminds us all how very far we all are from the mark. Those persons are true saints in my opinion.

It is well past time to stop bickering and arguing over who is better, best, first, has the most truth, etc. We are called to love one another, period. We aren’t called to judge. We aren’t called to define God in our own image. We are called to love.
 
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I understand that the RCC teachs that it cannot be wrong on morals. But of course you must understand that Non-RC’s don’t accept this at all as being true.
just because you don’t believe in something doesn’t make it cease to be true… It is not logical to believe that God would not establish a Church on Earth. It’s not logical that he would NOT make it infallible. I mean, if you believe Jesus’ words… (st. Mt 16:18, etc) and i assume you do? He said he would build his Church and the gates of Hell would nt prevail against it… *He never promised that the g ates of Hell would not prevail against anything or anyone else… just the CHURCH… *
so it stands to reason that God would w ant ALL his children in that one Church… If something is harmful, immoral, sinful for one person, it is the same for all…

It also stands to reason that `He would protect the Church His son began to “build” on Earth from teaching error. God knows better than anyone .( I’m sure you’ll admit)… how error-prone humans are… Proof of how error-prone we are… is the existence of all the (man-made) differing churches, all teaching differing things… but in any case… God either established ONE Church or He didn’t establish a Church at all… It cannot be any other way… True, he allowed Protestantism and good has come from that evil (sorry, but it is always an evil to separate from Christ’s Church). But God is not the author of confusion… There is only ONe true Church…
it is far easier to simple let a denomination tell you what you “must believe” and then struggle with your temptations to do otherwise.
well… Why re-invent the wheel?

Do you think Jesus would just leave us stranded for… say 1521 years… till Mr. Luther came along…?
Amusing on its face to the rest of us. To believe that God requires us to Love and to support each other, and that all are saved, and yet still to do what is needed purely for the love of God, is hard, because I can rightfully claim that my “salvation” doesn’t depend on it.
i’m sorry but this makes no sense to me… so cannot address it… but if you mean to say that works are not involved in being saved… you are wrong… St. Mt 25:31-46, Mt 18:23
I must truly try to put on the mantle of Christ and love and do whatever it takes to help others be whole. To see the parent of a murdered child forgive and help to uplift the murderer is an awe inspiring thing. It reminds us all how very far we all are from the mark. Those persons are true saints in my opinion.
what are their names…?
It is well past time to stop bickering and arguing over who is better, best, first, has the most truth, etc. We are called to love one another, period. We aren’t called to judge. We aren’t called to define God in our own image. We are called to love.
true… but tell me:

What is love?

Can anyone really DO that???

Yes, but its not easy… and i don’t think many so-called Christians even try… these days… Mary in one apparition said that this is the worst time in history, sin-wise… She didn’t have to tell me twice… :eek:
 
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