Red mozzetta? Coat of Arms?

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Pope Francis was not wearing a red mozzetta and there was no coat of arms…all was white…

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For goodness sakes – we just got a new Pope – and the pouncing has begun to find some “fault”.
 
R_C said:
Pope Francis was not wearing a red mozzetta and there was no coat of arms…all was white…

Any thoughts? 🍿
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I had a thought when I read the post, but I should probably just keep it to myself.

I will say I was too focused on his message and the work of the Holy Spirit to be recognize what he wasn’t wearing.
 
Humble man who asks for everyone to pray for him, then stops everything and let’s people pray…Good Choice!
 
Someone mentioned it to me, and I wanted to ask you because I love this community. I think it would be proper in order to understand the direction of the Holy Spirit for us to understand the choices that our Holy Father has made in this most important time. Please, if you have uncharitable comments in mind, just don’t post 🙂 It’s better for me, for you, and for all.

I am interested in reading good, kind, useful comments on this, on how it relates to Franciscan spirituality, etc.

Just to clarify: I was in tears when I heard him pray the Pater Noster, Ave Maria, and Gloria with us all, and when he bowed his head and asked us to pray for him before the blessing. I am so in love with the name Francis, and I am full of hope.

Thanks for your comments! 🙂
 
R_C said:
Someone mentioned it to me, and I wanted to ask you because I love this community. I think it would be proper in order to understand the direction of the Holy Spirit for us to understand the choices that our Holy Father has made in this most important time. Please, if you have uncharitable comments in mind, just don’t post 🙂 It’s better for me, for you, and for all.

I am interested in reading good, kind, useful comments on this, on how it relates to Franciscan spirituality, etc.

Just to clarify: I was in tears when I heard him pray the Pater Noster, Ave Maria, and Gloria with us all, and when he bowed his head and asked us to pray for him before the blessing. I am so in love with the name Francis, and I am full of hope.

Thanks for your comments! 🙂
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I am very excited by his choice of name. I can’t wait for him to explain exactly why he chose it. I can certainly speculate on why, but I am looking forward to his explanation.

I will admit that when they announced his name I assumed O’Malley had been elected, because there was so much speculation that he would choose that name.
 
R_C said:
Someone mentioned it to me, and I wanted to ask you because I love this community. I think it would be proper in order to understand the direction of the Holy Spirit for us to understand the choices that our Holy Father has made in this most important time. Please, if you have uncharitable comments in mind, just don’t post 🙂 It’s better for me, for you, and for all.

I am interested in reading good, kind, useful comments on this, on how it relates to Franciscan spirituality, etc.

Just to clarify: I was in tears when I heard him pray the Pater Noster, Ave Maria, and Gloria with us all, and when he bowed his head and asked us to pray for him before the blessing. I am so in love with the name Francis, and I am full of hope.

Thanks for your comments! 🙂
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R_C said:
Someone mentioned it to me, and I wanted to ask you because I love this community. I think it would be proper in order to understand the direction of the Holy Spirit for us to understand the choices that our Holy Father has made in this most important time. Please, if you have uncharitable comments in mind, just don’t post 🙂 It’s better for me, for you, and for all.

I am interested in reading good, kind, useful comments on this, on how it relates to Franciscan spirituality, etc.

Just to clarify: I was in tears when I heard him pray the Pater Noster, Ave Maria, and Gloria with us all, and when he bowed his head and asked us to pray for him before the blessing. I am so in love with the name Francis, and I am full of hope.

Thanks for your comments! 🙂
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I also was moved by our new Holy Father’s request that we all pray for him and to join him in the Our Father, Hail Mary,and the Glory Be…I was pleased that his blessing reached out to the whole world including those of us watching and listening to media devices.

I don’t imagine that he would substitute his Jesuit spirituality for Franciscan spirituality. Choosing the name “Francis” comes across to me as a signal that he will be intent on rebuiding the Church after many years of suffering from scandals. I hear that he is a good and faithful servant of the Church, otherwise portrayed by the media as “ultra conservative.”

Not being familiar with the proper color of mozzella that should be worn by the new pope, I asume it is a prefernce that he is allowed to make. And being just elected, he did not have time to draw up a coat of arms.
 
Boulder257 said:
I am very excited by his choice of name. I can’t wait for him to explain exactly why he chose it. I can certainly speculate on why, but I am looking forward to his explanation.
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I would guess that the name Francis was taken for St. Francis Xavier.
 
Boulder257 said:
I am very excited by his choice of name. I can’t wait for him to explain exactly why he chose it. I can certainly speculate on why, but I am looking forward to his explanation.

I will admit that when they announced his name I assumed O’Malley had been elected, because there was so much speculation that he would choose that name.
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Except that they announce who was elected before they announce what name he chose. And I am assuming that, being a Jesuit, he named himself after Francis Xavier, not Francis of Assisi.
 
aemcpa said:
Except that they announce who was elected before they announce what name he chose. And I am assuming that, being a Jesuit, he named himself after Francis Xavier, not Francis of Assisi.
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According to CNN, “The new pope took the name Francis in honor of St. Francis of Assisi because he is a lover of the poor, Vatican spokesman the Rev. Tom Rosica told CNN.” news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/13/cardinals-elect-new-pope/?hpt=hp_t1

It could also be that one factor in choosing the name was also to show that he didn’t wish to bring the rivalry between the Jesuits and the Franciscans with him when he became pope.
 
I think it showed what a humble man he is who wears the shoes of the fisherman.
 
aemcpa said:
Except that they announce who was elected before they announce what name he chose. And I am assuming that, being a Jesuit, he named himself after Francis Xavier, not Francis of Assisi.
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Maybe both?
 
I don’t think we can read too much into the Mozzetta…I’d be more concerned about the fact that he didn’t come out wearing the papal stole. Without knowing which Mozzetta they set out for him, he may simply have not wanted it for practical reasons.

The Coat of Arms - if you go back to the election of Benedict XVI, you’ll notice the Tapestry that was hung out actually had the coat of arms of JPII, who was introduced above the (partially defaced) coat of arms of Paul VI. It appears that, having so long to prepare, they simply removed the old coat of arms earlier than normal.

This is the coat of arms of PP. Francis when he was Cardinal Bergoglio:



But it may very well change as Pope.
 
aemcpa said:
Except that they announce who was elected before they announce what name he chose. And I am assuming that, being a Jesuit, he named himself after Francis Xavier, not Francis of Assisi.
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He will be meeting with journalists on Sat., according to Rev Thomas Rosica, Vatican spokesman (just on CNN). Roscia said he will explain more than.

And installation is next Tues, March 19th, St Joseph’s Day
 
Yes, that is right, it is quite interesting that he put on the Petrine stole only during the Urbi et Orbi. I am very intrigued by his thoughtful actions.

For instance: the stole is a symbol of the Holy Orders, so he put it on during the blessing but preferred not to wear it generically, just like the red mozzetta, perhaps (and probably) as a sign of humbleness and simplicity.

Also for the blessing: he asked for the prayers of the faithful, but he made very sure to clearly define the major difference between the blessing given by a recipient of the Holy Orders and the invocative blessing of the lay faithful. We know that “blessings are categorized into two types: invocative and constitutive. In an invocative blessing, the minister implores the divine favor of God to grant some spiritual or temporal good …] The ordained are the ordinary ministers of blessings, asking God’s help for those people being blessed or dedicating something to a sacred service.” Well, I have honestly never seen this more beautifully and simply expressed as in these few lines by Pope Francis:
And now I would like to give the blessing, but first I want to ask you a favor. Before the bishop blesses the people, I ask that you would pray to the Lord to bless me - the prayer of the people for their Bishop.
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This is interesting to me, for his simplicity does not undermine how profound his reasoning appears to be. I think it is wrong to simply ignore or treat with indifference his little choices…he seems to know very well why he does things in a certain way, and to be very careful about them.
 
R_C said:
Yes, that is right, it is quite interesting that he put on the Petrine stole only during the Urbi et Orbi. I am very intrigued by his thoughtful actions.

For instance: the stole is a symbol of the Holy Orders, so he put it on during the blessing but preferred not to wear it generically, just like the red mozzetta, perhaps (and probably) as a sign of humbleness and simplicity.

Also for the blessing: he asked for the prayers of the faithful, but he made very sure to clearly define the major difference between the blessing given by a recipient of the Holy Orders and the invocative blessing of the lay faithful. We know that “blessings are categorized into two types: invocative and constitutive. In an invocative blessing, the minister implores the divine favor of God to grant some spiritual or temporal good …] The ordained are the ordinary ministers of blessings, asking God’s help for those people being blessed or dedicating something to a sacred service.” Well, I have honestly never seen this more beautifully and simply expressed as in these few lines by Pope Francis:

This is interesting to me, for his simplicity does not undermine how profound his reasoning appears to be. I think it is wrong to simply ignore or treat with indifference his little choices…he seems to know very well why he does things in a certain way, and to be very careful about them.
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Excellent points. Thanks for laying that out.
 
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