Reflecting on Justice During Lent

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The Church has been slow in the past to adapt to scientifically demonstrated truths. Galileo and Copernicus were shunned for their belief that the Universe was not earth-centered. Darwin’s theory of evolution was considered heretical. Some day, the Church will recognize that a human being having two X chromosomes has nothing to do with the state of their soul, or their capacity to serve God and the Church in any manner.
This would be applicable if the Church has the authority to ordaine women. But it does not. Unless the Church has that authority, to do so is to violate the Will of God. Do you want to belong to a Church that violates the Will of God? We have enough problems without commiting another sin.

If we read John’s Gospel we observe that Mary is given to John as his mother and John to Mary as his son. We see that Christ first reveals his resurrection to Mary of Magdala.

In Luke’s Gospel the Incarnation is first revealed to Mary, then to Joseph. The two greatest mysteries of the Christian faith are first revealed to women. It’s not as if the Apostles and their disciples did not appreciate women. They wrote about their key roles in key moments of salvation history, something that was very uncommon for Jewish men to do. Therefore, we cannot claim that they were a product of their time and that’s why they had no ordained women. They had oather great events and mysteries in which they placed women in prominent roles, as I said, contrary to the custom of the time.

The early Catholic Church was the first organization in the world to give women autonomy. Notice that nuns were given authority and control over large estates and large monasteries. Observe that they were called Abess, which is a bastardization of the title Abbot, which means Father. They had a male title and still do. These women had control not only over land, but great amounts of wealth. Their male counterparts did not govern them. Benedictines, Franciscans and Dominicans never held any power over the female branches of their orders. They were completely autonomous long before women had the right to speak in their own homes.

After the French Revolution congregations of sisters were founded. They too received Pontifical Right, which they enjoy to this day. This means that they are not submitted to the authority of the bishop, but only the authority of the Pontif, just like male religious. Long before women were allowed to select their husbands, religious sisters were among the great scholars in the Church and the world. They educated future kings and pope alike at a time when most children in the secular world were educated by men and only men went to school. Religious congregations were already running schools for women.

The separation of the sexes when it comes to Holy Orders is not a cultural separation or an anthropological one. It is an apostolic separation. Women were not included among the Apostles, but were included among the first to proclaim the Gospel. There wee always women who were spiritual leaders, just look at Catherine of Siena, Clare of Assisi, Teresa of Avila, Mother Teresa of Calcutta.

Let us not forget that men were also excluded from Holy Orders. Only a select few were included. If you look at the great religious orders of men, most of the members were not ordained. The two largest religious families in the history of the Church have been the Benedictines and the Franciscans. To this day, less than half of the monks and friars are ordained, yet they are males. Ordiantion of males was never a given or a right. Only those who are called may be ordained. In my own house we have six brothers, but only one of the brothers is ordained. Yet, he is not the superior. The superior is a lay brother. The point is that men and women are called to different ministries and different ways of life. Even among males, there is no such thing as a right to be ordained. Those to be ordained are called forth either by the bishop of their diocese, if they are secular men or by their superiors, if they are consecrated men. We must never assume that all males can be ordained. That is not the case.

Even in religious life, not all men and women can be religious. It is not a right. It is a privilege bestowed by Christ on some, not all. That why not every woman or man is a consecrated religious.

I hope this helps.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Hey jburnetti,

Please do us a favor and fix the spelling you used in your heading. It’s Catholic, not Catlic!

That seem’s to be a mistake a Catholic wouldn’t or shouldn’t make…:rolleyes:
What you point out here Jim, as well as his refusal to answer my question in post #5 (repeated here);
So then I guess that it is a matter of Justice that men can not be mothers, that they can not carry and give birth to a child.
And his instance to use Scripture Alone (which is not what we do in the Catholic Church).

Also, as I said the burden of proof lies with him as this is something God’s Church has Taught for 2000 years.
 
I’m a Catlic from Norteastern Pennsylvania. Dey don’t say the haiches there!

I’ll check your suggested readings over the weekend. A guy’s got to make a living during the week. In the mean time, don’t pray for me, pray for the Church. There are a lot of ethnic parishes in "Norteastern’ Pennsylvania (Good, solid Catlics) - where the churches that families attended for generations are closing because there are no priests. I offer a solution. Utilize the talents of the whole flock. Don’t lock out the women. Don’t lock out the married men. Have you stopped to think that if there is an empathy gene, the Church is slowly selecting against people who might go into the priesthood, because those men aren’t reproducing. (It’s only the women who are passing down that gene.) They’re better at listening and sympathizing. Who better to administer to the flock?
 
…churches that families attended for generations are closing because there are no priests.
There’s no shortage of vocations, but young men aren’t being assisting in discerning God’s call. How many families encourage their sons to consider the priesthood?
Utilize the talents of the whole flock. Don’t lock out the women. Don’t lock out the married men.
The priesthood is not the only path, as if a person who isn’t a priest isn’t being “utilized” or isn’t exercising their talents and gifts for the Church. Don’t fall prey to clericalism.
 
I still maintain the Pope should reflect on the justice of the treatment of women during Lent.

I’ve done some homework. The Old Testament is indeed sexist. For instance, women are blamed for all of man’s ills, and punished for it in Genesis: “I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you.”

This treatment of women continues: “No wickedness comes anywhere near the wickedness of a woman…Sin began with a woman and thanks to her we all must die” (Ecclesiasticus 25:19,24).“The birth of a daughter is a loss” (Ecclesiasticus 22:3).“Your daughter is headstrong? Keep a sharp look-out that she does not make you the laughing stock of your enemies, the talk of the town, the object of common gossip, and put you to public shame” (Ecclesiasticus 42:11). “Keep a headstrong daughter under firm control, or she will abuse any indulgence she receives. Keep a strict watch on her shameless eye, do not be surprised if she disgraces you” (Ecclesiasticus 26:10-11).

It gets ridiculous: “When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening” (Lev. 15:19-23).

Jesus, on the other hand, treated women well. He used a female image for God in a parable: "Or what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light "a lamp, and sweep the house, and seek diligently until she find it? (Luke 15:8). He actually chose to show himself to his female followers BEFORE his male followers after the resurrection. Galatians is pretty clear on the subject: There is neither Jew nor Greek, neither free nor slave, NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE. FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS.

And who do you think baked the bread he used during the Last Supper? (And might that be Mary Magdalene sitting next to him at the Last Supper? We don’t have photos, but look at that painting?)

His followers were pretty sexist: “As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.” (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

And it got worse with time. Here’s your “tradition” in a male dominated world. St Augustine says “What is the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman…I fail to see what use woman can be to man, if one excludes the function of bearing children.”

Centuries later, St. Thomas Aquinas still considered women as defective:

“As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from a defect in the active force or from some material indisposition, or even from some external influence.”

This Catholic will follow his conscience, and what Jesus himself had to say. Some traditions have to go. We don’t burn witches any more, do we? Want to solve the shortage of priests? Invite in the 50% of the flock that are now ineligible (the women). Invite in the married men who don’t have the good fortune to be Anglican priests who were married and then recruited.

Reflect on justice this Lent - then get rid of the glass ceiling. Think about what happens when you meet God, and she’s really not amused with your attitude.
 
I still maintain the Pope should reflect on the justice of the treatment of women during Lent.

I’ve done some homework. The Old Testament is indeed sexist. For instance, women are blamed for all of man’s ills, and punished for it in Genesis: “I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you.”

This treatment of women continues: “No wickedness comes anywhere near the wickedness of a woman…Sin began with a woman and thanks to her we all must die” (Ecclesiasticus 25:19,24).“The birth of a daughter is a loss” (Ecclesiasticus 22:3).“Your daughter is headstrong? Keep a sharp look-out that she does not make you the laughing stock of your enemies, the talk of the town, the object of common gossip, and put you to public shame” (Ecclesiasticus 42:11). “Keep a headstrong daughter under firm control, or she will abuse any indulgence she receives. Keep a strict watch on her shameless eye, do not be surprised if she disgraces you” (Ecclesiasticus 26:10-11).

It gets ridiculous: “When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening” (Lev. 15:19-23).

Jesus, on the other hand, treated women well. He used a female image for God in a parable: "Or what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light "a lamp, and sweep the house, and seek diligently until she find it? (Luke 15:8). He actually chose to show himself to his female followers BEFORE his male followers after the resurrection. Galatians is pretty clear on the subject: There is neither Jew nor Greek, neither free nor slave, NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE. FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS.

And who do you think baked the bread he used during the Last Supper? (And might that be Mary Magdalene sitting next to him at the Last Supper? We don’t have photos, but look at that painting?)

His followers were pretty sexist: “As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.” (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

And it got worse with time. Here’s your “tradition” in a male dominated world. St Augustine says “What is the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman…I fail to see what use woman can be to man, if one excludes the function of bearing children.”

Centuries later, St. Thomas Aquinas still considered women as defective:

“As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from a defect in the active force or from some material indisposition, or even from some external influence.”

This Catholic will follow his conscience, and what Jesus himself had to say. Some traditions have to go. We don’t burn witches any more, do we? Want to solve the shortage of priests? Invite in the 50% of the flock that are now ineligible (the women). Invite in the married men who don’t have the good fortune to be Anglican priests who were married and then recruited.

Reflect on justice this Lent - then get rid of the glass ceiling. Think about what happens when you meet God, and she’s really not amused with your attitude.
Are you askiing the Church to rewrite the scriptures? We didn’t write most of it. Most of it was handed down to us by the Jewish people. They wrote it as it was revealed to them.

You also have to understand the language of the scriptures and the language of the Fathers and Aquinas. Do not take them out of context. If you look at Augustine’s life, you will find that he has nothing but the greatest admiration and love for Monica. Read his confessions. He dedicates an entire section of his work to her.

If you examine the life of Aquinas, you will find that he had a great love fo his Dominican sisters. In fact, the Dominican Friars were founded after the Dominican Nuns and they based their rule on that of the Nuns. They had a great admiration for them and great respect for their spirituality.

There are more canonized women than men. The Church has always recognized the holiness of women.

When you read the writings that you cite above, let me ask you a simple question. Do you have the theological formation to understand what they are saying and why they use that language? If not, why don’t you get that first.

Also, you’re argument is really about women’s ordination. You know that this is not possible, because we do not have the authority to do it. Therefore, it is not an injustice. The injustice would be to ordain women invalidly. That would be an injustice to these women, to make them believe that they are something that they are not.

The way that God works is not always easy for us to understand or accept. The difference between a saint and a lost soul is that the saint trusts that God has a plan. The lost soul wants to write a plan for God to follow.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
One last attempt to be the voice of reason, with three arguments:
  1. Be careful when you claim to know God’s intent. When God writes things in stone (Don’t kill, don’t steal, honor the lord thy God…) it’s pretty clear. As I demonstrated earlier, there are some pretty lame things in the Bible written by men (shun the menstruating women, for instance.) The Vatican itself in 1998 noted (in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s Doctrinal Commentary on Ad Tuendam Fidem) that the teaching of Ordinatio Sacerdotalis was not taught as being divinely revealed. It’s the opinion of people.
  2. Do what Jesus would do. Put yourself in the other person’s shoes. Treat people as you’d like to be treated yourself. Let me illustrate with a story from my wife’s life. She heard about an essay contest being run by the Knights of Columbus - a good Catholic MEN’S organization. The person who wrote the best essay on the history of her town would win $50. She was a little suspicious of K of C, so she wrote about the history of Indians in her hometown, and entered it as D. [HerLastName]. She won… until K of C figured out that Debbie, and not her brother Donald, had written the essay. The prize was then awarded to the second place finisher. Did that make him a better writer than her? No. Was his essay better? No. My wife’s is now on display at an Indian museum. Think of the hierarchy of the Church as a big male Knights of Columbus. Are they passing over good talent? I think they are.
  3. In life, many issues are not binary. Believe it or not, the issue of male versus female is not binary. God has allowed cases where the distinction is pretty blurry. For instance,
46, XX Intersex. The person has the chromosomes of a woman, the ovaries of a woman, but external (outside) genitals that appear male. This usually is the result of a female fetus having been exposed to excess male hormones before birth.

46, XY Intersex. The person has the chromosomes of a man, but the external genitals are incompletely formed, ambiguous, or clearly female.

True Gonadal Intersex. Here the person must have both ovarian and testicular tissue. This might be in the same gonad (an ovotestis), or the person might have one ovary and one testis. The person may have XX chromosomes, XY chromosomes, or both. The external genitals may be ambiguous or may appear to be female or male. This condition used to be called true hermaphroditism.

Complex or Undetermined Intersex Disorders of Sexual Development. Many chromosome configurations other than simple 46, XX or 46, XY can result in disorders of sex development. These include 45, XO (only one X chromosome), and 47, XXY, 47, XXX – both cases have an extra sex chromosome, either an X or a Y.

If these people have a calling, should they be included or excluded from the priesthood? Included only if they and their parents elect to have an operation that makes them appear more male than female? Wouldn’t it be simpler to just welcome anyone with a calling? Wouldn’t that benefit the church?
 
One last attempt to be the voice of reason, with three arguments:
  1. Be careful when you claim to know God’s intent.
  2. Do what Jesus would do.
  3. In life, many issues are not binary.
The first two points are very good for you to take into account yourself and to stop trying to make yourself the ultimate authority.

The third point is bogus. It is the true nature that man and woman are just that, man and woman. The issues you raise under that point have to do with the fallen nature of man and were not created by God but have come about due to sin.

But this is understandable when coming from a non-catholic who wishes for the Catholic Church to conform to his view rather than actually learning what the Church Teaches and adhering to the Truth of God’s Church.
 
One last attempt to be the voice of reason, with three arguments
It is truly humble of you to proclaim yourself “the voice of reason”.
Be careful when you claim to know God’s intent. When God writes things in stone (Don’t kill, don’t steal, honor the lord thy God…) it’s pretty clear. As I demonstrated earlier, there are some pretty lame things in the Bible written by men (shun the menstruating women, for instance.)
How do we know for sure that God wrote those particular commandments in stone? Why do you accept it when men tell you God said this but not accept it when men tell you God said that? Can you guide someone through the Bible and show what is actually revealed by God and what is merely the delusions of men?

The rigid (and “politically incorrect”) prescriptions of the Old Covenant were meant to discipline and build up Israel (although Israel often kicked against the goad), and they have a spiritual value revealed in Christ. I don’t pretend to know all of them, but in humility I can accept that God’s ways are so far above our ways, as the heavens are above the earth, and that I don’t need to understand and know everything, but just have faith.
The Vatican itself in 1998 noted (in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s Doctrinal Commentary on Ad Tuendam Fidem) that the teaching of Ordinatio Sacerdotalis was not taught as being divinely revealed. It’s the opinion of people.
Let’s be fair and quote the CDF’s commentary on the matter.
[C]onsider, for example, the development in the understanding of the doctrine connected with the definition of papal infallibility, prior to the dogmatic definition of the First Vatican Council. The primacy of the Successor of Peter was always believed as a revealed fact, although until Vatican I the discussion remained open as to whether the conceptual elaboration of what is understood by the terms ‘jurisdiction’ and ‘infallibility’ was to be considered an intrinsic part of revelation or only a logical consequence. On the other hand, although its character as a divinely revealed truth was defined in the First Vatican Council, the doctrine on the infallibility and primacy of jurisdiction of the Roman Pontiff was already recognized as definitive in the period before the council. History clearly shows, therefore, that what was accepted into the consciousness of the Church was considered a true doctrine from the beginning, and was subsequently held to be definitive; however, only in the final stage - the definition of Vatican I - was it also accepted as a divinely revealed truth.

A similar process can be observed in the more recent teaching regarding the doctrine that priestly ordination is reserved only to men. The Supreme Pontiff, while not wishing to proceed to a dogmatic definition, intended to reaffirm that this doctrine is to be held definitively, since, founded on the written Word of God, constantly preserved and applied in the Tradition of the Church, it has been set forth infallibly by the ordinary and universal Magisterium. As the prior example illustrates, this does not foreclose the possibility that, in the future, the consciousness of the Church might progress to the point where this teaching could be defined as a doctrine to be believed as divinely revealed.
To write off the doctrine that priestly ordination is reserved only to men as “the opinion of people” is not to do justice to the Church’s teaching.
She won… until K of C figured out that Debbie, and not her brother Donald, had written the essay.
Was the contest specifically for men? If so, she shouldn’t be surprised to be disqualified for not being a man. If not, then it does seem rather peculiar that she would be disqualified simply for being a woman.
 
I’ll just add one more point to what Japhy pointed out regarding the ordination of men only. What he cited is accurate.

There is one more thing that can be said. The Church does not have to declare something Ex Cathedra if it is already found in scripture. We do not have in infallible decree that says, “Thou shalt not steal.” We don’t need it.

By the same token, the Church cannot decree what is not revealed in scripture or in Sacred Tradition. There is no evidence in either that wmen were called to Holy Orders. All of the evidence points to men only. Since we are speaking about a sacrament that was revealed by Christ, it stands to reason that Christ would not reveal only half of the truth regarding the sacraments. Had the full truth been that both genders were invited to this sacrament, he would have included males and females. Christ does not reveal half-truths.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
“The third point is bogus. It is the true nature that man and woman are just that, man and woman. The issues you raise under that point have to do with the fallen nature of man and were not created by God but have come about due to sin.”

So God got angry and decided to create hermaphrodites? I don’t think so!
 
“The third point is bogus. It is the true nature that man and woman are just that, man and woman. The issues you raise under that point have to do with the fallen nature of man and were not created by God but have come about due to sin.”

So God got angry and decided to create hermaphrodites? I don’t think so!
God did not get “angry and decided to create hermaphrodites”. It is the consequences of sin and the fallen nature of man and creation.

Do you attribute cancer or natural disasters to the “anger of God”?
 
“The third point is bogus. It is the true nature that man and woman are just that, man and woman. The issues you raise under that point have to do with the fallen nature of man and were not created by God but have come about due to sin.”

So God got angry and decided to create hermaphrodites? I don’t think so!
I think that Brother is trying to say that had there been no original sin the harmony and balance that existed in creation would not have been disturbed. Once man sinned, he upset the harmony and balance in creation and set in motion a chain of events and anomalies that were not part of the plan of creation. This is what we mean when we say that when Christ comes again, all things will be restored in him and through him. The harmony and balance will be restored.

In the meantime, natural disasters and other anomalies are the consequence of Original Sin. This was not supposed to happen to man. It is not a punishment from God as much as it is a consequence of man’s choice. Think of it as a Domino Effect.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Jesus, on the other hand, treated women well. He used a female image for God in a parable: "Or what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light "a lamp, and sweep the house, and seek diligently until she find it? (Luke 15:8). He actually chose to show himself to his female followers BEFORE his male followers after the resurrection. Galatians is pretty clear on the subject: There is neither Jew nor Greek, neither free nor slave, NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE. FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS.

And who do you think baked the bread he used during the Last Supper? (And might that be Mary Magdalene sitting next to him at the Last Supper? We don’t have photos, but look at that painting?)

His followers were pretty sexist: “As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.” (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

And it got worse with time. Here’s your “tradition” in a male dominated world. St Augustine says “What is the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman…I fail to see what use woman can be to man, if one excludes the function of bearing children.”

Centuries later, St. Thomas Aquinas still considered women as defective:

“As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from a defect in the active force or from some material indisposition, or even from some external influence.”
Just a few thoughts . . .

Don’t nearly all Biblical scholars agree that both 1 Corinthians and Galatians were both written by the same person? the Apostle Paul? It doesn’t make any sense to hold up Galatians as a model of the “real” teaching of Christ’s followers as opposed to 1 Corinthians if they were written by the same person, around the same time. I admit I’m not an expert, but there needs to be a bit more nuance here.

The fact that Leonardo da Vinci painted an effeminate version of John the Beloved Disciple 1500 YEARS after the event itself took place means absolutely nothing! Come on . . . if I were to paint a picture of you (whom I’ve never seen) and made your skin green . . . does that mean you ought to start wearing green makeup? Or that you’re actually green? 😃

I think the wife of the man the disciples borrowed the upper room from probably baked the bread used at the Last Supper. And, anyway . . . no one has ever said women couldn’t bake Hosts (aren’t they often made by nuns?).

Could you reference the works you’re quoting from? I’d like to read them in context. Some of Augustine’s ideas about women have bothered me too in the past.
 
I still maintain the Pope should reflect on the justice of the treatment of women during Lent.

I’ve done some homework. The Old Testament is indeed sexist. For instance, women are blamed for all of man’s ills, and punished for it in Genesis: “I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you.”

This treatment of women continues: “No wickedness comes anywhere near the wickedness of a woman…Sin began with a woman and thanks to her we all must die” (Ecclesiasticus 25:19,24).“The birth of a daughter is a loss” (Ecclesiasticus 22:3).“Your daughter is headstrong? Keep a sharp look-out that she does not make you the laughing stock of your enemies, the talk of the town, the object of common gossip, and put you to public shame” (Ecclesiasticus 42:11). “Keep a headstrong daughter under firm control, or she will abuse any indulgence she receives. Keep a strict watch on her shameless eye, do not be surprised if she disgraces you” (Ecclesiasticus 26:10-11).

It gets ridiculous: “When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening” (Lev. 15:19-23).

Jesus, on the other hand, treated women well. He used a female image for God in a parable: "Or what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light "a lamp, and sweep the house, and seek diligently until she find it? (Luke 15:8). He actually chose to show himself to his female followers BEFORE his male followers after the resurrection. Galatians is pretty clear on the subject: There is neither Jew nor Greek, neither free nor slave, NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE. FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS.

And who do you think baked the bread he used during the Last Supper? (And might that be Mary Magdalene sitting next to him at the Last Supper? We don’t have photos, but look at that painting?)

His followers were pretty sexist: “As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.” (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

And it got worse with time. Here’s your “tradition” in a male dominated world. St Augustine says “What is the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman…I fail to see what use woman can be to man, if one excludes the function of bearing children.”

Centuries later, St. Thomas Aquinas still considered women as defective:

“As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from a defect in the active force or from some material indisposition, or even from some external influence.”

This Catholic will follow his conscience, and what Jesus himself had to say. Some traditions have to go. We don’t burn witches any more, do we? Want to solve the shortage of priests? Invite in the 50% of the flock that are now ineligible (the women). Invite in the married men who don’t have the good fortune to be Anglican priests who were married and then recruited.

Reflect on justice this Lent - then get rid of the glass ceiling. Think about what happens when you meet God, and she’s really not amused with your attitude.
I believe that the confusion here is that these writings are on discipline, not doctrine or dogma. Sacraments are matters of doctrine, because they have been revealed to us as truths by Christ. We cannot change the sacrament’s form or matter. Therefore, we can no more introduce a female priest than we can introduce orange wine into the sacrament.

Jesus does not reveal half-truths. Had he wanted to include women in the Sacrament of Holy Orders, he would have included them among the Apostles at the Last Supper. We can’t say that Jesus was impaired by cultural norms, because that’s not true. He ate with prostitutes and tax collectors. There were tax collectors among his apostles. He appears to Mary of Magdala before he appears to Peter. He protects the woman caught in adultery, even though the Jews were legally right, but they were morally wrong.

The point is that Jesus would not commit such an injustice against women. He would not have left them out just to comply with cultural norms. That would be inconsistent with his other behaviors. Why start complying with social norms of the day, when he had violated all the others? One can only conclude, both from the scriptures and from the Tradition, as it was handed down, that Holy Orders was meant for a select group of males, not even for every male.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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