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Chuck1
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Hi I was wondering after the reformation did people who were church of England still pray the rosary becuase nothing changed that much untill later years ?
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andrew2101
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People still prayed the Rosary and to the Saints, practiced clerical celibacy, and private confession until Edward VI’s Archbishop of Canterbury made Protestant reforms. Also, they had a valid priesthood until Edward VI’s reign, when their Rite of Ordination was changed.
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andrew2101
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In 1539 Parliament passed the Six Articles reaffirming Catholic practices such as transubstantiation, clerical celibacy and the importance of confession to a priest and prescribed penalties if anyone denied them.People still prayed the Rosary and to the Saints, practiced clerical celibacy, and private confession until Edward VI’s Archbishop of Canterbury made Protestant reforms. Also, they had a valid priesthood until Edward VI’s reign, when their Rite of Ordination was changed.
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TimothyH
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andrewstx
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I think it makes a huge difference on which Episcopalianan/Anglican you ask. They are very comprehensive, varying wildly.
I was Episcopal and I moved from a place with High Mass every sunday to another place that only had Mattins 3 of 4 sundays.
That was when I converted to the CC.
But there are high church Anglo Catholics that have the shrine of Our Lady of Wallsingham and the Society of Mary, the definately say the rosary and the Angelus at the end of mass.
But their are others whose churches don’t even have candles. let alone incense, they have l o n g sermons and ignore baptism favoring “getting saved”.
As GKC says anglicans are a motley crew.
I was Episcopal and I moved from a place with High Mass every sunday to another place that only had Mattins 3 of 4 sundays.
That was when I converted to the CC.
But there are high church Anglo Catholics that have the shrine of Our Lady of Wallsingham and the Society of Mary, the definately say the rosary and the Angelus at the end of mass.
But their are others whose churches don’t even have candles. let alone incense, they have l o n g sermons and ignore baptism favoring “getting saved”.
As GKC says anglicans are a motley crew.
po18guy
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Absolutely. An Episcopalian co-worker who was dying of cancer prayed her last Rosary with me in hospice, then handed her Rosary to me. I, in turn, gave her my olive wood Jerusalem Rosary, which she she held to her last breath. At her funeral, her daughter presented it back to me. Hard to put a price on that…
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CarloMagnus
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In regards to the Reformation, it’s best to look at a leveled assessment of what was going on.
The closest leveled assessment of the time comes from Desiderius Erasmus.
Quotes:
“I know nothing of your church; at the very least it contains people who will, I fear, overturn the whole system and drive the princes into using force to restrain good men and bad alike. The gospel, the word of God, faith, Christ, and Holy Spirit – these words are always on their lips; look at their lives and they speak quite another language.”
“You declaim bitterly against the luxury of priests, the ambition of bishops, the tyranny of the Roman Pontiff, and the babbling of the sophists; against our prayers, fasts, and Masses; and you are not content to retrench the abuses that may be in these things, but must needs abolish them entirely…
Look around on this ‘Evangelical’ generation, and observe whether amongst them less indulgence is given to luxury, lust, or avarice, than amongst those whom you so detest. Show me any one person who by that Gospel has been reclaimed from drunkenness to sobriety, from fury and passion to meekness, from avarice to liberality, from reviling to well-speaking, from wantonness to modesty. I will show you a great many who have become worse through following it…The solemn prayers of the Church are abolished, but now there are very many who never pray at all…
I have never entered their conventicles, but I have sometimes seen them returning from their sermons, the countenances of all of them displaying rage, and wonderful ferocity, as though they were animated by the evil spirit…
Who ever beheld in their meetings any one of them shedding tears, smiting his breast, or grieving for his sins ?.. Confession to the priest is abolished, but very few now confess to God… They have fled from Judaism that they may become Epicureans.”
For my traditionalists brothers, here’s one you’ll like. Apart from these perceived moral failings of the Reformers, Erasmus also dreaded any change in doctrine, citing the long history of the Church as a bulwark against innovation. In book I of his Hyperaspistes he puts the matter bluntly to Luther:
“We are dealing with this: Would a stable mind depart from the opinion handed down by so many men famous for holiness and miracles, depart from the decisions of the Church, and commit our souls to the faith of someone like you who has sprung up just now with a few followers, although the leading men of your flock do not agree either with you or among themselves – indeed though you do not even agree with yourself, since in this same Assertion you say one thing in the beginning and something else later on, recanting what you said before.”
I hope this answers your question.
-Karl
The closest leveled assessment of the time comes from Desiderius Erasmus.
Quotes:
“I know nothing of your church; at the very least it contains people who will, I fear, overturn the whole system and drive the princes into using force to restrain good men and bad alike. The gospel, the word of God, faith, Christ, and Holy Spirit – these words are always on their lips; look at their lives and they speak quite another language.”
“You declaim bitterly against the luxury of priests, the ambition of bishops, the tyranny of the Roman Pontiff, and the babbling of the sophists; against our prayers, fasts, and Masses; and you are not content to retrench the abuses that may be in these things, but must needs abolish them entirely…
Look around on this ‘Evangelical’ generation, and observe whether amongst them less indulgence is given to luxury, lust, or avarice, than amongst those whom you so detest. Show me any one person who by that Gospel has been reclaimed from drunkenness to sobriety, from fury and passion to meekness, from avarice to liberality, from reviling to well-speaking, from wantonness to modesty. I will show you a great many who have become worse through following it…The solemn prayers of the Church are abolished, but now there are very many who never pray at all…
I have never entered their conventicles, but I have sometimes seen them returning from their sermons, the countenances of all of them displaying rage, and wonderful ferocity, as though they were animated by the evil spirit…
Who ever beheld in their meetings any one of them shedding tears, smiting his breast, or grieving for his sins ?.. Confession to the priest is abolished, but very few now confess to God… They have fled from Judaism that they may become Epicureans.”
For my traditionalists brothers, here’s one you’ll like. Apart from these perceived moral failings of the Reformers, Erasmus also dreaded any change in doctrine, citing the long history of the Church as a bulwark against innovation. In book I of his Hyperaspistes he puts the matter bluntly to Luther:
“We are dealing with this: Would a stable mind depart from the opinion handed down by so many men famous for holiness and miracles, depart from the decisions of the Church, and commit our souls to the faith of someone like you who has sprung up just now with a few followers, although the leading men of your flock do not agree either with you or among themselves – indeed though you do not even agree with yourself, since in this same Assertion you say one thing in the beginning and something else later on, recanting what you said before.”
I hope this answers your question.
-Karl
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TimothyH
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andrew2101
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I agree. I had a similar experience. When my great grandmother was dying, she would recite repititiously the Hail Mary. We said one Rosary together and a Divine Mercy Chaplet. I gave her my brown scapular.
P.S. This is irrelevant, but the nurse at the hospital threw away my brown scapular immediately after she died. Rude and ignorant on her part.
Andrew
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